"weighted chins" = underhand weighted pullups?

[hardflex01]

"weighted chins" = underhand weighted pullups? is it correct? i just wonder about it because there is some controversy about pullups/chinups naming

[chazzy1864]

9 times out of 10:

Chin up = Underhand/supinated
Pull up = Overhand/pronated

You'll get some people who say a chin up just has to do with the chin clearing the bar or whatever.


But I'm guessing if your program has called for "weighted chins", then yes, your thinking of underhand weighted pull ups is in line.

[Hack Squat]

Yeah chins are underhand you should be doing both chinups and pullups on a regular basis.

[hardflex01]

thank you. and default grip width for chins is shoulder width, yeah?

[2020Wellness]

thank you. and default grip width for chins is shoulder width, yeah?

Use the grip that feels best on your wrists/forearms. Most people are going to use a 'narrower than shoulders' grip while in the chin-up grip position. Many people will feel strain on their wrists/forearms with the chin-up grip at first. Use smart hand positioning to avoid that problem. A few inches here or there isn't going to change the muscles being recruited in this situation.

[hardflex01]

Use the grip that feels best on your wrists/forearms. Most people are going to use a 'narrower than shoulders' grip while in the chin-up grip position. Many people will feel strain on their wrists/forearms with the chin-up grip at first. Use smart hand positioning to avoid that problem. A few inches here or there isn't going to change the muscles being recruited in this situation.

so basically every grip is okay as long as it doesnt hurt my shoulders/wrists ?

[chazzy1864]

so basically every grip is okay as long as it doesnt hurt my shoulders/wrists ?

Yep.

[Tyciol]

"weighted chins" = underhand weighted pullups? is it correct? i just wonder about it because there is some controversy about pullups/chinups naming

That's usually what people mean, yes. I'm fine with this as long as the chin reaches the bar, otherwise naming is senseless. Feel free to call overhand pull ups 'chins' if your chin also reaches the bar. It's much harder that way so you deserve the freedom.

You'll get some people who say a chin up just has to do with the chin clearing the bar or whatever.

Cause that's what it mean until people began to twist it, obviously. =/

chins are underhand

Hm...
http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/.../AsChinup.html

a command will not mandate that Marines must use the overhand grip when executing pull-ups or flexed-arm hang

=)

[Hack Squat]

Hm...
http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/.../AsChinup.html

=)

So then why do you say this in your training post:

Shoot, I'm down to 174lbs last I checked. Can do about 5pulls or so but I don't think I got stronger, they just got easier obviously.

[Hack Squat]

Look I can do google searches too !!!!!!!!!!

http://stronglifts.com/how-to-do-pul...per-technique/

[SquatTilYouDrop]

Look I can do google searches too !!!!!!!!!!

http://stronglifts.com/how-to-do-pul...per-technique/

You are the anti-Tyciol.

Take that as a serious compliment.

[johncrazyk123]

That's usually what people mean, yes. I'm fine with this as long as the chin reaches the bar, otherwise naming is senseless. Feel free to call overhand pull ups 'chins' if your chin also reaches the bar. It's much harder that way so you deserve the freedom.

Cause that's what it mean until people began to twist it, obviously. =/

Hm...
http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/.../AsChinup.html

=)

with almost 11,000 posts and only 100 rep power can't you take the fricken hint and leave??

[ucsumma]

Under = Chins = Arm Day

Overhand = Pull-ups = Back Day

And nice post Tyciol....it looks like you were able to go back in time and find a website from the early 90s.

[Lencho]

So when using a neutral grip, do you cal them "chinups" or "pullups"?

[chazzy1864]

So when using a neutral grip, do you cal them "chinups" or "pullups"?

Well that depends, are you pulling yourself up or pulling your chin up.

[SquatTilYouDrop]

So when using a neutral grip, do you cal them "chinups" or "pullups"?

Neutral grip chinups, the hands are still semi-supinated - not pronated.

Not really mind bending stuff here.

[chazzy1864]

Neutral grip chinups, the hands are still semi-supinated - not pronated.

Not really mind bending stuff here.

Well it is like glass half full or half empty.The hands are half supinated and half pronated. Oh snap!!

[SquatTilYouDrop]

Well it is like glass half full or half empty.The hands are half supinated and half pronated. Oh snap!!

The scales are tipped in favor of chinups in this variation. I can see my palms if I turn my head 90 degrees in either direction.

[Tyciol]

So then why do you say this in your training post: Shoot, I'm down to 174lbs last I checked. Can do about 5pulls or so but I don't think I got stronger, they just got easier obviously.

No clue what this has to do with an overhand grip being called a chin.

Look I can do google searches too !!!!!!!!!!

That's great bro but doesn't serve a purpose, I'm already aware of the growing chin=supi and pull=pro popularity. My link is just to show that it hasn't always been this way, that it's a new meme. I'd wager it's less than half as old as "Romanian deadlift" which started in 91. The way people let language dominate them instead of dominating language is interesting. This of course leaves me open to an 'interesting how heavy weights'.

with almost 11,000 posts and only 100 rep power can't you take the fricken hint and leave??

Can, but won't unless banned, and I don't break rules unlike many of my neggers.

looks like you were able to go back in time and find a website from the early 90s.

Has ExRx been around that long? Love those guys. Yeah, the exercises were done for a long time and people got by fine without oversimplified names.

So when using a neutral grip, do you cal them "chinups" or "pullups"?

This is exactly the mental problem that made me pissed off at the terminology and reject it.

Neutral grip chinups, the hands are still semi-supinated - not pronated. Not really mind bending stuff here.

Well it is like glass half full or half empty.The hands are half supinated and half pronated. Oh snap!!

*watches the world crumble away*

The scales are tipped in favor of chinups in this variation. I can see my palms if I turn my head 90 degrees in either direction.

What if you have a really close grip?

Also: I've repped you in the past but when you repped me back it was red!

[tomsfish]

im sorry could you google cut and paste that again.

[mrmrbill]

I'm already aware of the growing chin=supi and pull=pro popularity. My link is just to show that it hasn't always been this way, that it's a new meme. I'd wager it's less than half as old as "Romanian deadlift" which started in 91.

1. Supinated pulls were chinups back in my grade school days. My humiliating inability to do them then, remains burned in my psyche forever.

2. David Willoughby's fine tome, "Super Athletes" written in 1970 records feats of strength regarding chins dating back to the late 1800s.

3. Both Jack LaLanne and Arnold have referenced in the past, a chinup contest they had in 1968 which Jack won handily. JLL set a chinup record in 1959 for 1000 in less than 90 minutes.

[SquatTilYouDrop]

Also: I've repped you in the past but when you repped me back it was red!

[Tyciol]

1. Supinated pulls were chinups back in my grade school days. My humiliating inability to do them then, remains burned in my psyche forever.

I feel you, that's like me and when they brought in the rock climbing wall and I stalled ~10ft up. Common sense would say to help train students to do pull ups before renting an expensive climbing wall for a week, but that's public education for you.

2. David Willoughby's fine tome, "Super Athletes" written in 1970 records feats of strength regarding chins dating back to the late 1800s.

3. Both Jack LaLanne and Arnold have referenced in the past, a chinup contest they had in 1968 which Jack won handily. JLL set a chinup record in 1959 for 1000 in less than 90 minutes.

I'm aware the term chin's been around for a long time, just saying it obviously originated based on pulling high enough to get the chin over the bar and not based on the ideal grip to do so. I doubt any of these old-time strong-men would be all "THAS NOT A CHIN IZ A PULLUP" if someone used the generally harder overhand grip and still got the chin over the bar. Usually the terms were interchangeable.

It's sort of like saying it's not a deadlift unless it's a mixed/hook grip deadlift. Or it's not a squat unless it's a powerlifter-style low-bar squat.

[tomsfish]

I feel you, that's like me and when they brought in the rock climbing wall and I stalled ~10ft up. Common sense would say to help train students to do pull ups before renting an expensive climbing wall for a week, but that's public education for you.

I'm aware the term chin's been around for a long time, just saying it obviously originated based on pulling high enough to get the chin over the bar and not based on the ideal grip to do so. I doubt any of these old-time strong-men would be all "THAS NOT A CHIN IZ A PULLUP" if someone used the generally harder overhand grip and still got the chin over the bar. Usually the terms were interchangeable.

It's sort of like saying it's not a deadlift unless it's a mixed/hook grip deadlift. Or it's not a squat unless it's a powerlifter-style low-bar squat.

no its sorta like calling a chinup a chinup,and actually doing them.

[mrmrbill]

... assorted lengthy verbosity ...

Re-read #1.

[Tyciol]

I read it Mr Bill but are you telling me in grade school if you did an overhand grip your classmates/teacher would say "that's not a chin up!" even if you got your chin over the bar? It just seems odd. I think people were more sensible back then and focused more on the height of the pull than how you got there.

Tom you're pissing me off, you're my goal now, if you make a vid showing your max rep of chins I'll best it in a year.

[AirForceV]

I lift my self up.


What?

Does any one even read Tyciol's posts?

[GeneralSerpant]

nobody calls a chin-up a chin-up based on you putting your chin above the bar. Tyciol, honestly I would guess that you are guessing that that's where it came from.

One thing about supinated pulls is that your arm alignment allows you to pull yourself with the bar in front of you, where pronated grip allows you to pull easier if you are more underneath the bar. That is following the notion that your pronated grip is wider than your supinated grip, which is more practical for the way our arms are aligned.

[mrmrbill]

I read it Mr Bill but are you telling me in grade school if you did an overhand grip your classmates/teacher would say "that's not a chin up!" even if you got your chin over the bar?

They wouldn't say that. Since so few could do them, chin-up/pull-up was by personal choice to fulfill the "somehow get your head over the bar" requirement.

I think people were more sensible back then and focused more on the height of the pull than how you got there.

Sensible? Hrmmmph. It was the 70s -- nothing sensible about that. The baseline used, still today, for the Presidential Fitness awards is from 1985. That's when it was decided that an "average 50th percentile kid" age 7-9 realistically could do about 1 or 2. In the Seventies, we had to do like... 53 of them. Uphill.

[SquatTilYouDrop]

nobody calls a chin-up a chin-up based on you putting your chin above the bar. Tyciol, honestly I would guess that you are guessing that that's where it came from.

One thing about supinated pulls is that your arm alignment allows you to pull yourself with the bar in front of you, where pronated grip allows you to pull easier if you are more underneath the bar. That is following the notion that your pronated grip is wider than your supinated grip, which is more practical for the way our arms are aligned.

You have to understand, in Tyciol's world, it's far more important to ridiculously argue about what an exercise should be called than to post updated progress pics of what the exercise actually did to benefit his sucky physique.

ExtremistPullup who holds the world record for weighted pullups was told by Tyciol that he was wrong to call pullups pullups. I suppose Guinness, Extremist, and virtually every reg poster in this section are wrong.

And he still can't figure out why he was negged and will continue to be.

Either he is a troll or just retarded, maybe both.