IIFYM Question

[Xhale12]

Why do you guys even bother counting your macros once protein is met if it does not make a difference? Once protein is met, why count your carb-fat ratio? Why not just count cals at that point?

[Siafu4Life]

Why do you guys even bother counting your macros once protein is met if it does not make a difference? Once protein is met, why count your carb-fat ratio? Why not just count cals at that point?

There is a minimum dietary fat requirement, as well.

[ZMan45]

Some people feel better eating higher fat, athletes especially endurance athletes might prefer to get away with minimum fat macro and get as many carbs as they can for performance. It's personal preference all the way after macro sufficiency is met IMO.

[ko300zx]

Why do you guys even bother counting your macros once protein is met if it does not make a difference? Once protein is met, why count your carb-fat ratio? Why not just count cals at that point?

Because it does make a difference. This is not an IIFYM question. IIFYM has nothing to do with your P/C/F amounts.

[Xhale12]

Because it does make a difference. This is not an IIFYM question. IIFYM has nothing to do with your P/C/F amounts.

Care to show me a study where it does make a difference in body composition once adequate protein needs are met?

[Xhale12]

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat...a-calorie.html

[ko300zx]

Care to show me a study where it does make a difference in body composition once adequate protein needs are met?

In the words of Mark Lobliner, you can take your studies and shove them up your ass. Macro calculation is important to more than just body composition. It has to do with training performance, mood, satiety, etc. This is based on the individual not studies.

[ZMan45]

In the words of Mark Lobliner, you can take your studies and shove them up your ass. Macro calculation is important to more than just body composition. It has to do with training performance, mood, satiety, etc. This is based on the individual not studies.

No pop tarts and rice krispies for you.

[determined4000]

fat is needed for testosterone, hormones, vitamin absorption, brain functioning, oxygen/energy transfer

those things seem important to me

[wowbob396]

this raises a good point OP, thanks.

[mannydawg]

Why do you guys even bother counting your macros once protein is met if it does not make a difference? Once protein is met, why count your carb-fat ratio? Why not just count cals at that point?

Thats pretty much what I do. I know for a fact i'm not going to eat my protein from only egg whites, nor will I eat only sugar after I meet my protein intake. Therefore, I know I will consume an adequate amount of fat regardless of how I count. Counting Macros to a T is only mental masturbation IMO. Counting calories and being mindful of protein and fat is way easier.


btw OP did you end up talking to someone else? Doing better?

[determined4000]

Thats pretty much what I do. I know for a fact i'm not going to eat my protein from only egg whites, nor will I eat only sugar after I meet my protein intake. Therefore, I know I will consume an adequate amount of fat regardless of how I count. Counting Macros to a T is only mental masturbation IMO. Counting calories and being mindful of protein and fat is way easier.


btw OP did you end up talking to someone else? Doing better?

I too dont count macros, but that doesnt mean they arent important
I am bulking and know I will hit my protein and fat easily with the way I eat
If you know you are hitting those mins, than anything on top of that is personal preference IMO

[Xhale12]

fat is needed for testosterone, hormones, vitamin absorption, brain functioning, oxygen/energy transfer

those things seem important to me

Unless you eat roasted chicken breast, and egg whites all day long, getting enough fat should be EASY. I think its ridiculous people justify calculating macros in order that they get enough fat. What the hell are you eating for your meals? Captain Crunch and Skim Milk?

Hell a normal breakfast of eggs, toast, butter and bacon should get you 40-50 grams of fat easy.

[mannydawg]

I too dont count macros, but that doesnt mean they arent important
I am bulking and know I will hit my protein and fat easily with the way I eat
If you know you are hitting those mins, than anything on top of that is personal preference IMO

Yes that's pretty much how I feel. I know I will be eating enough protein and fat so why even worry, so I just counting my calories. Plus worrying about eating 15g of protein over 15g of carbs is useless. Its easier to stick to and less stressing when not being so rigid.

[desslok]

Thats pretty much what I do. I know for a fact i'm not going to eat my protein from only egg whites, nor will I eat only sugar after I meet my protein intake. Therefore, I know I will consume an adequate amount of fat regardless of how I count. Counting Macros to a T is only mental masturbation IMO. Counting calories and being mindful of protein and fat is way easier.

While I agree with mannydawg here, and this is what I do. My love nut butters and whole dairy means I get way over any minimum fat for a few people. However, for someone just starting out, or even someone beginning a new program/sport etc, counting all macros and journaling it along with tracking how you are performing and feel can be highly advantageous.

[Xhale12]

Even without all the nut butters and "full-fat" cheese (lol that is "different" around these parts). If people can't manage to eat half their body weight in fat, the food they are eating more or less must taste like cardboard. At best. Just using normal amounts of butter and oil's when cooking will get alot of it covered.

[determined4000]

Even without all the nut butters and "full-fat" cheese (lol that is "different" around these parts). If people can't manage to eat half their body weight in fat, the food they are eating more or less must taste like cardboard. At best. Just using normal amounts of butter and oil's when cooking will get alot of it covered.

not really
check some of the logs
plenty of people eating .4g/lb or less
Some want more volume (rather have 100 cals from veggies, potato than 1tbsp of pb), or have a sweet tooth (kiddie cereal) and never add "added fats" nor eat whole eggs, fatty meat/dairy
ex. 200 lb guy eating
1- Large bowl of proats
2- Turkey sandwich
3- chicken, veggies, rice/potao
4- kiddie cereal with LF milk or whey
5- greek yogurt with whey, cereal

I follow 2 loggers who weigh about 200 and one is at 35g fat and the other 55g

[Xhale12]

not really
check some of the logs
plenty of people eating .4g/lb or less
Some want more volume (rather have 100 cals from veggies, potato than 1tbsp of pb), or have a sweet tooth (kiddie cereal) and never add "added fats" nor eat whole eggs, fatty meat/dairy
ex. 200 lb guy eating
1- Large bowl of proats
2- Turkey sandwich
3- chicken, veggies, rice/potao
4- kiddie cereal with LF milk or whey
5- greek yogurt with whey, cereal

I follow 2 loggers who weigh about 200 and one is at 35g fat and the other 55g

Like I said, their food tastes like cardboard.

[determined4000]

You call this cardboard?

cinnamon vanilla overnight oats w pb and blueberries


choco choco chip pancakes w pb


giant proats


beef and egg tacos


Edy's touchdown sundae


3DMJ protein layer cake


sludge, frosted cheerios, low fat strawberry pop tart


whites, strawberry waffles

[determined4000]

toasted chicken and marinara, capn pb and choco crunch


whites, apple cinnamon oats, english muffin w jelly


double cheese, fries, rice cakes w pb and sf jelly


bread pudding w vanilla sludge

[Xhale12]

My friend, fat is flavor. Eating skim milk, ****ing rice cakes, egg whites, kiddie cereal, steamed broccolli, dry as hell beef, and poptarts, all fit perfectly in the description of being cardboard. You can't honestly believe that **** tastes good. You have been on these forums far too long if so. I think you have forgotten what good tasting food really is.

[Xhale12]

Spend a few minutes on this site, you may come to your senses.

http://www.tastespotting.com/

[determined4000]

those arent my meals
and I dont eat like that at all
I eat very bro, high protein, higher fat than most (almost 0 processed food)
I was just letting you know what others do becuz apparently were unaware

[vitornoob]

My friend, fat is flavor. Eating skim milk, ****ing rice cakes, egg whites, kiddie cereal, steamed broccolli, dry as hell beef, and poptarts, all fit perfectly in the description of being cardboard. You can't honestly believe that **** tastes good. You have been on these forums far too long if so. I think you have forgotten what good tasting food really is.

Good food is spending 900 in a dinner, other?

[ErickStevens]

You trolling or what, OP?

[lovingit]

ITT: OP argues his opinion as if it's a fact

Learn the difference, OP.

That said, I agree that not everyone needs to track fat and carbs. I often only track protein and calories and it works out fine for me.

[TERMplus]

There is a minimum dietary fat requirement, as well.

As little as 10 g of fat (even less) can help you meet your dietary fat requirement. Of course, people need much more than that for optimal health, but your body only requires poly's.

I follow 2 loggers who weigh about 200 and one is at 35g fat and the other 55g

This is dangerously unhealthy for someone at their weight.


not quite sure what OP is arguing, but either way, anything over the minimal requirements is just personal preference / health purposes. let people live the way they want to...

[ErickStevens]

This is dangerously unhealthy for someone at their weight.

lol. Am I gonna' die, Doc?

[SuffolkPunch]

That said, I agree that not everyone needs to track fat and carbs. I often only track protein and calories and it works out fine for me.

Me 2

I seem to do well on mixture of carbs and fats and I can usually be confident that the foods I typically eat are supplying sufficient fats each day.

[phal]

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