*ATHLETIC EDGE NUTRITION-PreSurge FAQ- Premium, Pre-Workout Supplementation!

[REPS-Forum-Rep]

Great job for specifying how much creatine and caffeine you use in your proprietary blend! I wish more companies would follow your suit when using proprietary blends!


Good luck with the new product!

You are now bumped up to 4 stars

[kerplunk]

Thinking about doing a review? Maybe a log?

I'll do a super review

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Everyone who won PreSurge from the contest, your product has shipped!

[theshrink]

Everyone who won PreSurge from the contest, your product has shipped!

Fantastic!

[extremenergy3]

Fantastic!

Mikey!

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Great job for specifying how much creatine and caffeine you use in your proprietary blend! I wish more companies would follow your suit when using proprietary blends!


Good luck with the new product!

You are now bumped up to 4 stars

Thanks RFR. While we can't completely expose this formula, we did feel like key aspects HAD to be shown.

Fantastic!

Mikey!

We want feedback asap

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While, I have ALOT more information on this amazing extract we use in PreSurge, all I can share with you now is the poster presentation from ISSN. I just tried to attach it, but it's too large. If anyone would like to see it, or knows how to post it, please email me sbalcombe@aenutrition.com It's a powerpoint slide btw.

[wobemaster]

Everyone who won PreSurge from the contest, your product has shipped!

awesome

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Very nice product Seb. I'm sure it will be awesome and do quite well.

Thank you very much Aries, I hope you are well

[Sleepstream]

Everyone who won PreSurge from the contest, your product has shipped!

Which service do you use?

We want feedback asap

Will do.

[sensei101]

free samples when!?

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Which service do you use?



Will do.

Fedex

free samples when!?

By late next week/early following.

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A recent study, combining creapure creatine with Russian Tarragon extract (Artemisia dracunculus L) was presented at this years ISSN conference. This placebo controlled study looked at plasma concentrations of creatine when combined with Russian taragon extract . Eleven healthy male subjects ingested either creatine(creapure)+russian tarragon extract or a placebo. Creatine concentrations in the plasma were than measured at 60,90 and 120 minutes. The groups that ingested the creatine with the added russian tarragon extract, showed significant reductions in plasma creatine concentrations. The reductions were substantial and comparable to the area under curve(AUC) of the carbohydrate+creatine study using 75g of glucose, as well as the protein+creatine study, that used 50g protein and 47g CHO, combined with creatine. This is a major breakthrough study on creatine supplementation.




Ralf Jager, Iain P Kendrick, Martin Purpura, Roger C Harris, David M Ribnicky and Ivo Pishel
The effect of Russian Tarragon extract (Artemisia dracunculus L) on plasma creatine concentrations with creatine monohydrate administration.
Poster Presentation at the fifth annual international sports nutrition ISSN conference and expo. Volume 5, Suppl 1, 2008


Some more info on the Russian tarragon extract we use in PreSurge. http://blog.bodybuilding.com/AthleticEdgeNutrition

[HalleluYAH]

Meh, this is bb.com, talk a bunch of nonsense, make sure it sounds authoritative, condescending and with plenty of arrogance to make yourself feel special. Perhaps call out some companies ect and tell yourself you are looking out for the bro's, eventhough you have no idea what the hell you are talking about, though you truely think you do! Forget about humility HAL, this is NO place for it

Aye.

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A recent study, combining creapure creatine with Russian Tarragon extract (Artemisia dracunculus L) was presented at this years ISSN conference. This placebo controlled study looked at plasma concentrations of creatine when combined with Russian taragon extract . Eleven healthy male subjects ingested either creatine(creapure)+russian tarragon extract or a placebo. Creatine concentrations in the plasma were than measured at 60,90 and 120 minutes. The groups that ingested the creatine with the added russian tarragon extract, showed significant reductions in plasma creatine concentrations. The reductions were substantial and comparable to the area under curve(AUC) of the carbohydrate+creatine study using 75g of glucose, as well as the protein+creatine study, that used 50g protein and 47g CHO, combined with creatine. This is a major breakthrough study on creatine supplementation.




Ralf Jager, Iain P Kendrick, Martin Purpura, Roger C Harris, David M Ribnicky and Ivo Pishel
The effect of Russian Tarragon extract (Artemisia dracunculus L) on plasma creatine concentrations with creatine monohydrate administration.
Poster Presentation at the fifth annual international sports nutrition ISSN conference and expo. Volume 5, Suppl 1, 2008


Some more info on the Russian tarragon extract we use in PreSurge. http://blog.bodybuilding.com/AthleticEdgeNutrition

Seriously guys, do you realize what a big deal this extract is? It's impacting plasma creatine concentrations comparable to 75 GRAMS of dextrose or 50GRAMS of protein+47GRAMS of CHO. This isn't some small/minor effect its having, this is HUGE and amazing IMO. I also wouldn't be surprised if it impacts other nutrients absorption, based on my personal experience with it.

[History in Effect]

Everyone who won PreSurge from the contest, your product has shipped!

You can expect my log to begin sometime around the end of November as soon as I finish my current log.

[HalleluYAH]

Seriously guys, do you realize what a big deal this extract is? It's impacting plasma creatine concentrations comparable to 75 GRAMS of dextrose or 50GRAMS of protein+47GRAMS of CHO. This isn't some small/minor effect its having, this is HUGE and amazing IMO. I also wouldn't be surprised if it impacts other nutrients absorption, based on my personal experience with it.

So, in layman's terms, Russian Taragon Extract has an insulin mimmicking action without the glycemic response?

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You can expect my log to begin sometime around the end of November as soon as I finish my current log.

Great, thanks HIE

So, in layman's terms, Russian Taragon Extract has an insulin mimmicking action without the glycemic response?

Actually, no, surprisingly, as it has no impact on blood glucose levels in HEALTHY people(a good thing). I need to be careful here and can't go into detail, due to patent issues. But, the blood glucose disposal effects it has on type two diabetics, it DOES NOT have on healthy individuals. I have gotten into some very interesting conversations on how it is working with the researchers... perhaps directly on the CreaT transporters. The truthful answer though, is we do not know the exact MOA yet but we know it's not through being an insulin mimitec or potentiator ect. Fascinating stuff, no doubt.

BTW, I just emailed you.

[Peter LeDrew]

Seriously guys, do you realize what a big deal this extract is? It's impacting plasma creatine concentrations comparable to 75 GRAMS of dextrose or 50GRAMS of protein+47GRAMS of CHO. This isn't some small/minor effect its having, this is HUGE and amazing IMO. I also wouldn't be surprised if it impacts other nutrients absorption, based on my personal experience with it.

Yeah, noticed that... THAT IS CRAZY!!!! And PreSurge is the FIRST product to use it EVER!!!

[HalleluYAH]

Great, thanks HIE



Actually, no, surprisingly, as it has no impact on blood glucose levels in HEALTHY people(a good thing). I need to be careful here and can't go into detail, due to patent issues. But, the blood glucose disposal effects it has on type two diabetics, it DOES NOT have on healthy individuals. I have gotten into some very interesting conversations on how it is working with the researchers... perhaps on the CreaT transporters. The truthful answer though, is we do not know the exact MOA yet but we know it's not through being an insulin mimitec or potentiator ect. Fascinating stuff, no doubt.

O I C. Excellent addition to this product.

One thing I can not stand is the creatine 'loading' products with 35g dex for every 5g CrM. The only thing these products 'load' are manufacturer's pockets with money (because they charge a small fortune for simple sugars), and the consumer's adipocytes with glucose.

[Peter LeDrew]

O I C. Excellent addition to this product.

One thing I can not stand is the creatine 'loading' products with 35g dex for every 5g CrM. The only thing these products 'load' are manufacturer's pockets with money (because they charge a small fortune for simple sugars), and the consumer's adipocytes with glucose.

No more carbs!!!

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Yeah, noticed that... THAT IS CRAZY!!!! And PreSurge is the FIRST product to use it EVER!!!

Yes, PreSurge is the first sports nutrition product to EVER use this extract. That has been 100% CONFIRMED by the manufactures and researchers, so I don't want to hear any BS from the haters who love to spread negativity.

O I C. Excellent addition to this product.

One thing I can not stand is the creatine 'loading' products with 35g dex for every 5g CrM. The only thing these products 'load' are manufacturer's pockets with money (because they charge a small fortune for simple sugars), and the consumer's adipocytes with glucose.

IMO, in time, this extract is going to change the way ALOT of people supplement creatine. The more research I was presented on it, the more excited I got. There has never been anything to have such a huge impact on plasma creatine concentrations, other than 75g of dex or large doses of Pro+CHO. All this, from an plant EXTRACT.

[History in Effect]

AEN and USP be searching the globe for different extracts.

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Also, if you do a search in bb.com's store for NEURAVENA, you will only find ONE product that contains it other than PreSurge and it is a FAT LOSS product. http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/no2/8fx.html

Neuravena is some amazing stuff on its own, but combined with PEA and the other stims, it makes for one incredibly intense, focused energy rush. I am SURE you will start seeing more of this extract as well. Just remember where you first saw it.

[Peter LeDrew]

Yes, PreSurge is the first sports nutrition product to EVER use this extract. That has been 100% CONFIRMED by the manufactures and researchers, so I don't want to hear any BS from the haters who love to spread negativity.

Huge PROPS/CONGRATS AEN!!!


The lovers are stronger than the haters anyways... PreSurge completes the intrastack and when we start getting feedback, I am betting AEN now has the best, most effective stack in the sports nutrition industry.

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AEN and USP be searching the globe for different extracts.

lol, I think we go about things, VERY differently though

Huge PROPS/CONGRATS AEN!!!


The lovers are stronger than the haters anyways... PreSurge completes the intrastack and when we start getting feedback, I am betting AEN now has the best, most effective stack in the sports nutrition industry.

I will just be happy if PreSurge gets received as well as IntraXCell or IntrAbolic, which I believe it will.

[papagunz]

Two great companies (AEN and Omega) and two great preworkout products. Oh, the insanity.

[Alphy]

I will just be happy if PreSurge gets received as well as IntraXCell or IntrAbolic, which I believe it will.

hopefully bb.com has it in stock soon, looking to try it asap.

[Peter LeDrew]

Also, if you do a search in bb.com's store for NEURAVENA, you will only find ONE product that contains it other than PreSurge and it is a FAT LOSS product. http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/no2/8fx.html

Neuravena is some amazing stuff on its own, but combined with PEA and the other stims, it makes for one incredibly intense, focused energy rush. I am SURE you will start seeing more of this extract as well. Just remember where you first saw it.

Believe me, I was taken back when I found out NEURAVENA was in it and did some reading on it... the cool ingredients in PreSurge are staggering!!

I really like DLPA and Icariin always gave me better pumps than any ingredient i have tried pre-workout... I can't wait to try this and I hope everyone else is as anxious as me...

Seb and AEN, you guys really got to get it out all the cool things you have in here... you got some new exciting things most don't know about and should read into, but most people have to have a HUGE Ad hit them in the head to see the light. I hope you have a good writeup done so people can see just what you have here.

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Two great companies (AEN and Omega) and two great preworkout products. Oh, the insanity.

What's in the O product, haven't seen it.

hopefully bb.com has it in stock soon, looking to try it asap.

I am hopping by tomorrow.

Believe me, I was taken back when I found out NEURAVENA was in it and did some reading on it... the cool ingredients in PreSurge are staggering!!

I really like DLPA and Icariin always gave me better pumps than any ingredient i have tried pre-workout... I can't wait to try this and I hope everyone else is as anxious as me...

Seb and AEN, you guys really got to get it out all the cool things you have in here... you got some new exciting things most don't know about and should read into, but most people have to have a HUGE Ad hit them in the head to see the light. I hope you have a good writeup done so people can see just what you have here.

It is very new, that is why. It's funny between the German creapure, tarragon extract and the Neuravena, which is swiss, PreSurge, is one worldly formula. There were certainly some language barriers at the start of our communication's.