mind blown at people who seriously do not believe in evolution. I cant believe.....

[basement iron]

read this:

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/evi...ry?id=17884533

Click bait article of a common natural event coinciding with the bible. No where in that article does it even begin to suggest a world wide flood.

And here's a giant list of all the flood myths... http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/flood-myths.html

Ancient people lived near/on rivers+these rivers naturally flood from time to time=flood myths.

[Footballa_19]

wtf is le sigh?

I get annoyed by you pseudo intellects, do you have proof or are you just saying this based on some youtube video you saw or some dumbass podcast

Truth is nobody knows sh*t, I don't care what any of you *******s say. None of you are archeologist, zoologist, biologist, or chemist.

Continue to do your google searches to find your rebuttals and come back.

Dumbasses. We came from monkeys and a big explosion? How stupid can you get. #yesallmiscers

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biologist checking in

Plenty of evidence in favor of evolution, it isn't proven, but makes a lot of sense. No we didn't come from monkeys like todays monkeys, they are more like cousins to us. Don't know what that has to do with the big bang theory. Evolution is still a better theory than some personification of our own lack of knowledge and fear just up and creating everything the way it is, and always has been.

[kbrown225]

I agree. Maybe you've heard of theistic evolution?

Here's a book that can help you with that...

I'll check that out. Reps on recharge brah.

[HughMcFury]

Things 'fall' to earth'. Why? The why is explained by current gravitational theory as best as we can manage, but nobody is questioning the reality of things 'falling'. Electromagnetism exists, whatever it is, and we have a fairly good idea = theory of electromagnetism. Again, nobody questions that it exists, only the hows, the mechanisms and properties by which it operates = the theory. A theory isn't some wild guess, it's based on observations and how neatly it fits the evidence. Maybe a new theory will supplant the current thinking on gravity, none of that will change the fact that you won't suddenly float off into the sky.

Evolution is change over time. The theory is complex, the hows and whys and subject to change, as with all theories, but nobody seriously disputes change over time however it happens, i.e, the reality is just something we know is true. More than enough evidence is available that organisms can and do change. Micro and macro evolution are misnomers, human constructs and some people's attempts to put artificial limits on things to suit their own fundamentalist agenda. The real natural world cares not for the nomenclature of artificially constructed human categories and definitions, it just does what it does, it changes over time.

If there were a series of photos taken at one second intervals of a car morphing into a building, thousands of them, or indeed millions, then whichever photo you picked from the pack would depict an object in some form of transition whether you recognized what it was or not. It may not appear that it was in transition since the photo is a still frame, much like fossils are, and you might give it its own name claiming that it's a 'category' of thing and unlike anything else, but that's just failing to see the big picture. It just is what it is regardless of its name and if you run the series of photos at TV speed the overall picture would look like a smooth transition from 'one' object to 'the other'. In reality every photo is a 'one' or 'the other' in its own right whether we give artificial names and definitions like 'micro' and 'macro' or not. There aren't just two extremes of 'things', there are millions of shades of 'things' in between.

[BetaAsPhuck]

What is the probability of these changes occurring without deleterious mutations rendering the animal incapable of reproduction etc.

Some animals are born infertile.

Are you honestly not aware of that?

[naths]

I don't really see how your ideas about where we came from isn't as looney as mine. You believe that everything evolved and we all just miraculously spawned here pretty much. Look at how intricate our bodies are, and how complex life is. There has to be a higher being, there's no way there isn't. You can't form something from nothing buddy. I hate to tell you that, because you put all your faith in these scientists and all of their discoveries when they're men just like you and I. Nobody truly knows ANYTHING. EVERYTHING IS SPECULATION. You'll realize this once you hop off of your pedestal. I just choose to believe what I believe.

There's actual proof of events that have actually happened in the bible. Tower of Babel, Flood from Noah, etc etc.. You do some research

There is proof that your mum has had sex, there is proof that I have had sex, does this mean I ****ed your mum? Cause thats what youre trying to tell me bro.

It would be insanely naive of me to discredit the theory of evolution just as much as it would be to discredit the theory of extraterrestrial life.

[Footballa_19]

Some animals are born infertile.

Are you honestly not aware of that?

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[basement iron]

You guys can believe what you like, I respect that.

I don't want to believe what I like....the universe isn't here to satisfy how I think things should be. I want to see hard evidence and facts. Even if at times those facts are uncomfortable.

[BetaAsPhuck]

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What did I write that was wrong?

Some individual animals are born infertile.

[incomingbrOMS]

OP trollin hard. Know your audience to the max lololol


le lol

[BrownRice123]

We came from Adam and Eve

/thread

[NeoKantian]

Sheat man...if evolution was real wouldn't we be like dinosaurs or something? Or maybe at least dinosaur-human hybrids? Baby Jesus don't play that way.

[EatPlums]

So because its theoretically probable this makes it actual in our lived experience? What is the probability of these changes occurring without deleterious mutations rendering the animal incapable of reproduction etc. Living things aren't clay, and blind processes can't see the future. Such ideas are equal to fairytales.

Yes, ie peppered moth evolution.

And nothing is stopping there being a deleterious mutation, but the chance of there being a deleterious mutation which decreases an organisms fitness is the same as the probability of there being a deletion/insertion that is advantageous to that organisms fitness.

No one says that evolution ALWAYS leads to advantageous mutations, just that it always leads to those advantageous mutations increasing in allelic frequency.

[Huke]

Sheat man...if evolution was real wouldn't we be like dinosaurs or something? Or maybe at least dinosaur-human hybrids? Baby Jesus don't play that way.

If it weren't for a certain meteor, that might be the case.

[NacMuay]

According to most models of evolution, random mutations beneficial to survival will be incorporated into the gene pool. However, there are too many things going on that do NOT promote survival but are beneficial to support evolution alone as how we (humans and animal) got to where we are now.

Put another way:

1. Humans have the ability to manipulate tools and therefore use things like spears and knives to hunt; hunting is necessary to survival. So the evolution of various things associated with manipulation of tools, such as fingers (especially the thumb), are evidence that a species will retain (through natural selection) those things that promote survival.

2. However, there are many characteristics we possess that might be beneficial which do not promote survival and therefore are not part of the natural selection process. Such as fingernails, which are a useful tool, does not promote survival.

3. Natural selection of random mutations which promote survival does not explain, for example, the evolution of the eye. The human eye is far too complex to have evolved over time. A partial evolution of the eye is not conceivable. How would that happen? An organism, whether single-cell to walking up-right is wandering around and finally says to itself, "Sure is dark in here," and starts to evolve an eye? No model of evolution supports how the eye came into being. This is just one example.

Conclusion: Why is this important? Beneficial characteristics of a species that are unrelated to survival might be inferred to support an intelligent design as opposed to evolution through the process of natural selection. In no way does this conclusion imply that god, God, aliens, etc are the explanation for how we got here. I merely posit that the evidence does cast a shadow of doubt on the models of evolution and provides intelligent design as a worthy consideration.

[trufflepigg]

what's so hard to believe op? You realize there are valid arguments against evolution as it is described today...I lol at people that are so close minded that they accept everything in text books as absolute fact, and relentlessly try to discredit others who argue the other side. You know it's good to have people out there that question everything...


Personally I believe that there are flaws, many flaws, with the current theory that we mostly subscribe to. I think it's obvious species can adapt over time to different environments and evolve to nature in that sense, however there isn't 100% evidence of all species evolving from common ancestor including humans from Great Apes. That's a fact op, as much as it doesn't align with your views there isn't concrete proof of anything more than adaptation within species. That being said, evidenced points towards common ancestors being the case.

Just saying, the theory isn't flawless and there are good points to be considered by the other crowds.

[Huke]

what's so hard to believe op? You realize there are valid arguments against evolution as it is described today...I lol at people that are so close minded that they accept everything in text books as absolute fact, and relentlessly try to discredit others who argue the other side. You know it's good to have people out there that question everything...


Personally I believe that there are flaws, many flaws, with the current theory that we mostly subscribe to. I think it's obvious species can adapt over time to different environments and evolve to nature in that sense, however there isn't 100% evidence of all species evolving from common ancestor including humans from Great Apes. That's a fact op, as much as it doesn't align with your views there isn't concrete proof of anything more than adaptation within species. That being said, evidenced points towards common ancestors being the case.

Just saying, the theory isn't flawless and there are good points to be considered by the other crowds.

Assuming you aren't referring to the religious stuff we've heard already in this thread, I have a feeling those are the kinds of questions OP was trying to draw out. Fire away.

[TurkBrah]

lol @ you if you think we came form monkeys.

[YoureAWizard]

edit: ^ oh **** theres one

wait... so what do all these other people think? that "god" just poofed us onto the earth? lul i dont want to lift on this planet anymore

[PrivilegeCheker]

If i agree with you OP can i haz le karma points?

[CellTrek]

*euphoria intensifies*

[BetaAsPhuck]

Conclusion: Why is this important? Beneficial characteristics of a species that are unrelated to survival might be inferred to support an intelligent design as opposed to evolution through the process of natural selection.

Like a previous poster said, not all mutations are necessarily advantageous to survival. Some may be disadvantageous or neutral.

[chlaxman]

According to most models of evolution, random mutations beneficial to survival will be incorporated into the gene pool. However, there are too many things going on that do NOT promote survival but are beneficial to support evolution alone as how we (humans and animal) got to where we are now.

Put another way:

1. Humans have the ability to manipulate tools and therefore use things like spears and knives to hunt; hunting is necessary to survival. So the evolution of various things associated with manipulation of tools, such as fingers (especially the thumb), are evidence that a species will retain (through natural selection) those things that promote survival.

2. However, there are many characteristics we possess that might be beneficial which do not promote survival and therefore are not part of the natural selection process. Such as fingernails, which are a useful tool, does not promote survival.

3. Natural selection of random mutations which promote survival does not explain, for example, the evolution of the eye. The human eye is far too complex to have evolved over time. A partial evolution of the eye is not conceivable. How would that happen? An organism, whether single-cell to walking up-right is wandering around and finally says to itself, "Sure is dark in here," and starts to evolve an eye? No model of evolution supports how the eye came into being. This is just one example.

Conclusion: Why is this important? Beneficial characteristics of a species that are unrelated to survival might be inferred to support an intelligent design as opposed to evolution through the process of natural selection. In no way does this conclusion imply that god, God, aliens, etc are the explanation for how we got here. I merely posit that the evidence does cast a shadow of doubt on the models of evolution and provides intelligent design as a worthy consideration.

3 is simply not true. Tons of research has been done on the evolution of the eye and there is plenty of evidence to support the general stages of development over time. Most researchers believed that the eye evolved in more than one way, which explains why there are very different biochemistries of how the eye works among different organisms.

[EatPlums]

lmao @ Sotrktiv being butthurt enough to neg me because he doesn't understand basic evolution

[WalterKohn]

Food for thought

Humans have the same number of hair follicles that many apes have.. Density and thickness is what differentiate the follicles between the two species. We also share like 99% of the same DNA as apes.. I dunno weird facts but go figure...

[OnedayHEHE]

I have a big test in Evolution soon...and a lot of stuff are they still not sure about.

who knows prolly in 10 years they will be a new theory where we came from.

[ocill88]

By you seriously believe the human body formed together out of luck "evolution " lol if you do . Which came first the blood ,heart ,or veins? Intelligent design crew

[WalterKohn]

The big bang theory has nothing to do with life.

Creation of the universe does not equate to the creation of life

Not sure if srs... The Big Bang Theory explains the universe... We don't live in the Universe.... LOLOL How do you think all the elements came to this planet and through evolution created us to the present day??? Meteors and Comets which imploded into our planet billions of years ago started the process of evolution bud... Meteors and Comets hold all the elements need for life. Water being the most important!!! Amazes me that this generation with all the access on the internet does not know simple things like this. We can prove up to a millisecond before the big bang theory with telecsopes. This is common knowledge??? I am baffled at the lack of intelligence....

[BrocepCurls]

I have a big test in Evolution soon...and a lot of stuff are they still not sure about.

who knows prolly in 10 years they will be a new theory where we came from.

age: 20

yeah it's not like evolution has been an unchallenged theory for 150 years or anything

[BetaAsPhuck]

By you seriously believe the human body formed together out of luck "evolution " lol if you do . Which came first the blood ,heart ,or veins?

Reductio ad absurdum

Description: A mode of argumentation or a form of argument in which a proposition is disproven by following its implications logically to an absurd conclusion.