Reverse Transcription aka: How The Jabs Can Change DNA

[atgbrahsrs]

NGL,

there are 3 main claims regarding anti vaxing but I never get a response back


a) vax tags ur dna somehow


There is literally no way to tell apart a person with the vax or not; antibodies are one but it could be from covid infection


b) more people are dying who are vaxxed


every twitter post that claims this never answers back when confronted with "have you adjusted for population sizes and rates given that the vaccinated are the majority of the population?" to see death rates per 1000 pop of vaxed/unvaxed


majority of absolute number of people dying globablly are indian or chinese, maybe has the to with the fact that these populations represent over a third of the global pop?



c) excess deaths now


what about delated onset from long covid? people who are damaged

what about the fact that uptake of regular screening services for a lot of other (admittedly more serious diseases) were heavily delayed/reduced/cancelled during extended lockdowns and waves? e.g. Kate gets her breast exams every year but 2020-2022 a lot of trouble getting those done etc misses a breast cancer that otherwise would have been preventable

now scale that Kate example across various conditions across all ages and both genders and you can get a significant chunk


literally the most neutral balanced vaccine skeptics never have a proper answer for any of these or directly avoid them

[AriesTH]

What is the current efficacy again?

never thought id say i'd miss ya, but i got scared not seeing you post for a while, welcome back you smileyfaced fuk

[Jayarbie]

So people can have health problems even without being vaccinated?

Just being around vaccinated people can alter your DNA. Duh.

[J.L.C.]

Just being around vaccinated people can alter your DNA. Duh.

Oh right!

My bad

[conics]

You need to take a break.

Yes, there has been an increase in cancer and more cancer is being diagnosed at later stages vs. discovered at an earlier stage. That is NOT being looked at as an effect of the shots changing peoples' DNA, but as an effect of damage to the immune system.

You only had one shot. You can't take it back. The only thing that might be better is if you had zero.

Again, if you are experiencing specific symptoms seek medical attention.

So it’s ok for the immune system to be damaged. Idk how that’s much better than dna being changed?

And as the other guy mentioned if there’s even a risk of probability of increase in cancer, isn’t that still concerning?

Still don’t know any long term effects of any shot so idk how one is not gonna cause anything, I am hoping it doesn’t.

[Jayarbie]

NGL,

there are 3 main claims regarding anti vaxing but I never get a response back


a) vax tags ur dna somehow


There is literally no way to tell apart a person with the vax or not; antibodies are one but it could be from covid infection


b) more people are dying who are vaxxed


every twitter post that claims this never answers back when confronted with "have you adjusted for population sizes and rates given that the vaccinated are the majority of the population?" to see death rates per 1000 pop of vaxed/unvaxed


majority of absolute number of people dying globablly are indian or chinese, maybe has the to with the fact that these populations represent over a third of the global pop?



c) excess deaths now


what about delated onset from long covid? people who are damaged

what about the fact that uptake of regular screening services for a lot of other (admittedly more serious diseases) were heavily delayed/reduced/cancelled during extended lockdowns and waves? e.g. Kate gets her breast exams every year but 2020-2022 a lot of trouble getting those done etc misses a breast cancer that otherwise would have been preventable

now scale that Kate example across various conditions across all ages and both genders and you can get a significant chunk


literally the most neutral balanced vaccine skeptics never have a proper answer for any of these or directly avoid them

According to CDC data, excess deaths (all causes) are negative for 2023 so far.

[atgbrahsrs]

According to CDC data, excess deaths (all causes) are negative for 2023 so far.

yeah so this means that this claim is not really true? this is the only thing people have on the vaccine

[atgbrahsrs]

katya


how come no one of the sources every adjust for pop sizes of vax/unvax?

how come no one accounts for lack of services and post-covid damage when they talk about excess deaths?

[katya422]

NGL,

there are 3 main claims regarding anti vaxing but I never get a response back


a) vax tags ur dna somehow


There is literally no way to tell apart a person with the vax or not; antibodies are one but it could be from covid infection

It's like a bad game of telephone. So first on this one:







^^^
Nothing about "tagging your dna", but there have been claims that the vaccinated can be identified.

[katya422]

According to CDC data, excess deaths (all causes) are negative for 2023 so far.

Reporting lags significantly + if more people died the last few years then fewer people should be dying now [pull forward effect].

So I wouldn't get to excited about this one yet.

[conics]

It's like a bad game of telephone. So first on this one:







^^^
Nothing about "tagging your dna", but there have been claims that the vaccinated can be identified.

Why would they want to tag them?

[atgbrahsrs]

Nothing about "tagging your dna", but there have been claims that the vaccinated can be identified.

twitter source

pls answer this, these are more about efficacy side effects




how come no one of the sources every adjust for pop sizes of vax/unvax when they talk about deaths????

how come no one accounts for lack of services and post-covid damage when they talk about the current excess deaths?


i have never ever seen anyone address these who posts how vax people are dying, they always ignore

those claims are easy to answer and are outside the gene alteration thing



when someone posts "more vaxed are dying than unvaxed" and someone comments on their twitter thread "but majority of pop are vaxed wouldnt that skew the ratio and thus we should look at per 1000s" - it always remains unanswered or even deleted so the twitter guy his profit making product - supp, media

[J.L.C.]

Reporting lags significantly + if more people died the last few years then fewer people should be dying now [pull forward effect].

So I wouldn't get to excited about this one yet.

The population is aging.

[katya422]

NGL,

b) more people are dying who are vaxxed


every twitter post that claims this never answers back when confronted with "have you adjusted for population sizes and rates given that the vaccinated are the majority of the population?" to see death rates per 1000 pop of vaxed/unvaxed

The deaths have been adjusted for population size/vaccination rate. UK data has been clear about that.

majority of absolute number of people dying globablly are indian or chinese, maybe has the to with the fact that these populations represent over a third of the global pop?

Don't know where you are going with this one. China and India did not use the mrna injections and haven't been posting high levels of excess all cause mortality.

c) excess deaths now


what about delated onset from long covid? people who are damaged

what about the fact that uptake of regular screening services for a lot of other (admittedly more serious diseases) were heavily delayed/reduced/cancelled during extended lockdowns and waves? e.g. Kate gets her breast exams every year but 2020-2022 a lot of trouble getting those done etc misses a breast cancer that otherwise would have been preventable

- excess mortality followed mass injections and preceded high rates of covid in Australia and Japan [maybe NZ too, I just know I've seen the first two] which negates the idea that the excess deaths are just do to post covid infection effects.




- regarding delayed/reduced medical care the types of deaths occurring do NOT support this because not only are more people dying, they are dying of different things; most obvious is cancer

Delaying care should result in *more* of the most common cancers, not less.




FWIW I don't believe that you get brushed off because people don't have the goods at this point. It's just a PITA and I expect that the sense is you should be able to do your own work.

[Jayarbie]

yeah so this means that this claim is not really true? this is the only thing people have on the vaccine

The claim that the vax is killing thousands of people and that heart attacks were basically invented by the vax were never true, except in the outer reaches of the paranoid CT cult.

[Jayarbie]

Reporting lags significantly + if more people died the last few years then fewer people should be dying now [pull forward effect].

So I wouldn't get to excited about this one yet.

There would be no pull forward effect if people are still getting vaccinated and the vaccine is killing people.

[atgbrahsrs]

The deaths have been adjusted for population size/vaccination rate. UK data has been clear about that.

Ok, but two serious questions

- Do you have any source other than Twitter for anything?

- Can you show me where form an official source there is an adjustment for that? I was mostly referring to back in the days in 21' or something when people were saying more vaccinated are dying

just read this article on it https://www.reuters.com/article/fact...-idUSL1N2RP28I

this is what I was referring to

the anti vax twitter accounts were posting how more numbers of vaccinated are dying now and people would comment on their threads saying that adjusting for the larger population sizes, the death rate is several times worse for all age groups in unvaccinated and no one would respond to them

and how can you say they have done the adjustment? to make saying 5000 people vaxed died and only 500 unvaxed died therefore something wrong with vax - that doesnt tell you anything about anything

why wouldnt they adjust? the numbers clearly paint another picture if you do that

[atgbrahsrs]

The claim that the vax is killing thousands of people and that heart attacks were basically invented by the vax were never true, except in the outer reaches of the paranoid CT cult.

Admittedly, I would never believe in a controlled culling theory, just being wary of speed-to-market and possible human incompetence that might muck up things (stuff like this happens).

E.g. Astra Zeneca got pulled from EU + Norway so that scared me a bit more back then. It got pulled from gov/authoritative figures so no CT/Twitter stuff.


That being said, literally every anti-vax twitter account that says "More vaxed people die" never say "but if we adjust for population size, over 60s unvaxxed 150 people per 100k die from covid, and 30 per 100k die vaxed"

[katya422]

i have never ever seen anyone address these who posts how vax people are dying, they always ignore

those claims are easy to answer and are outside the gene alteration thing

CDC based information:







Yes, it's a "twitter source". If you want to personally spend the time looking at raw CDC data yourself please feel free.

The level of excess mortality is beyond any natural explanation.

Alex actually gave a good illustration to help people understand how massive this excess mortality is.



Link:
https://twitter.com/SpacePirate144/s...BduyMpUTLrGhDQ

"We don't need the studies. We have the actuarial information from the insurance companies.

It's only the countries that took the shots that have on average a 13% increase in death compared to any year for which they have statistics which is the last 150.

Say that again. World War I, World War II, had 3%, 4%, 5%, 6% increases, 'cause millions were getting killed.

Didn't even approach this.

These are Vietnams every month."

Link: https://twitter.com/_Janey_J/status/...130172416?s=20

[Jayarbie]

Admittedly, I would never believe in a controlled culling theory, just being wary of speed-to-market and possible human incompetence that might muck up things (stuff like this happens).

E.g. Astra Zeneca got pulled from EU + Norway so that scared me a bit more back then. It got pulled from gov/authoritative figures so no CT/Twitter stuff.


That being said, literally every anti-vax twitter account that says "More vaxed people die" never say "but if we adjust for population size, over 60s unvaxxed 150 people per 100k die from covid, and 30 per 100k die vaxed"

The J&J vax was pulled temporarily due to concerns over blood clots, even though the instance of blood clots was 100,000x greater from getting Covid than getting the shots. They are still certainly analyzing all of this stuff, but it's not the menace the CTards want you to believe.

[PaulJerome]

Messenger RNA does not change your DNA. Because how the process works is if you have DNA through an enzyme called reverse transcriptase it makes a mirror copy of it called messenger RNA which is what gets injected into your body. That messenger RNA, it goes through a system called the ribosomes and creates a protein. That protein can get reincorporated into your DNA by a process called transfection. So, the messenger RNA can indirectly change your DNA, your genetics, but not directly. And I think language is important.

[katya422]

Ok, but two serious questions

- Do you have any source other than Twitter for anything?

I've posted a stupid amount of information over the last 2 years. Only started using twitter since the Musk take over. It is the best news aggregator site at this time.

- Can you show me where form an official source there is an adjustment for that? I was mostly referring to back in the days in 21' or something when people were saying more vaccinated are dying

just read this article on it https://www.reuters.com/article/fact...-idUSL1N2RP28I

this is what I was referring to

There is a TON of data now. From insurance companies, medical systems, government healthcare systems, and more.

How about Medicare data? This is for the old people that the shots were supposed to be saving:

EXCLUSIVE: Stunning new data pulled from the Medicare database shows how each shot increases your risk of death

We can now see very clearly what is going on. Shot #1 bumps your risk of death by around 20%. Shot # 2 bumps it another 20%. Shot #3 bumps your risk another 10%.









Link: https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/e...pulled?r=o7iqo

Insurance guy:




UK data...video at the link:



Link:https://twitter.com/wolsned/status/1...915832320?s=20

[messomi]

seriously katya why do you even bother? you are wasting a ton of energy on nothing going back and forth with them.

[katya422]

seriously katya why do you even bother? you are wasting a ton of energy on nothing going back and forth with them.

Usually only dabble at this point. This particular paper seemed like new information and a point of interest so I made a post.

[atgbrahsrs]

CDC based information:

listen, I really want to ask you again

here is what I am referring to again - https://www.reuters.com/article/fact...-idUSL1N2RP28I

when all of those were saying more vaxed dying, including Campbell's videos on the matter, why DIDNT THEY mention ADJUSTING FOR population size

he never mention it


this was for in the past, do not answer back with current EXCESS deaths hypothesises

but after you answer the first part, let me ask you soemthing for the excess one on top - how do they know that leftover damage from covid is not playing a part in the multiorgan systematic problems that might be driving up the excesses deaths????????????????

[messomi]

Usually only dabble at this point. This particular paper seemed like new information and a point of interest so I made a post.

that's not even what I mean but you are trying to "debate" people like JLC after all this time that literary makes 0 sense.

[TitsAlternative]

listen, I really want to ask you again

here is what I am referring to again - https://www.reuters.com/article/fact...-idUSL1N2RP28I

when all of those were saying more vaxed dying, including Campbell's videos on the matter, why DIDNT THEY mention ADJUSTING FOR population size

he never mention it


this was for in the past, do not answer back with current EXCESS deaths hypothesises

but after you answer the first part, let me ask you soemthing for the excess one on top - how do they know that leftover damage from covid is not playing a part in the multiorgan systematic problems that might be driving up the excesses deaths????????????????

Because they are liars. This is why you gotta look at the whole body of info. The consensus isn't always right, but it usually is. There are rebuttals to almost every one of the crazy things Katya posts.

[atgbrahsrs]

that's not even what I mean but you are trying to "debate" JLC after all this time that makes 0 sense.

but what is really frustrating how when being asked legitimate questions* by an unvaxxed person like me, she has nothing


*

1. Back in 2021/22 when all the vaccine skeptics were posting how more vaxed people are dying than unvaxed they always posted the ABSOLUTE without adjusting for the fact that majority of pop is vaxed. Either they are dumb or are trying to mislead people for grift.

2. Excess deaths - how do we distinguish between covid damages to recovered people vs vaccine induced? (no one of the sources even have convinced me that the other categories - delayed screenings etc - are irrelevant/proven irrelevant)

[atgbrahsrs]

Can you tell us again how a gene therapy is only a gene therapy if it is a gene therapy, because it's not a gene therapy unless it's a gene therapy, which it is not?

Srs question


the gene therapy argument is best left alone, even if you have proven that the people who say it is not wrong


because I am mostly interested in risk/benefit analysis of the vax, I am very concerned how two arguments (1. more vax people dying; 2. excess deaths) do not have an answer for 1. there is no adjustment for pop; 2. distinguishing from complications from covid and other things when they are being pushed


not saying u push them but to me that is really alarming, makes me feel none of the voices of the anti-vax (on media/with credentials) have been honest

[katya422]

that's not even what I mean but you are trying to "debate" people like JLC after all this time that literary makes 0 sense.

Oh I usually avoid sparring with JLC. And when I slip up I often discover that my period is about to start. PMS is real.

At this point my guess is that JLC is:

- a big investor in the pharma companies

or

- an upper level employee of a pharma company

or

- an employee of a government health authority

or

- an attorney attached to one of the above