Misc Firearms Crew LXXIX: Tax Stamps, Background Checks, and Mag Caps

[BulkingIsHard]

I have a dumb question.

When folks talk about universal background checks 2a folks say it’s a backdoor registration, but it’s never been explained how?

States currently do background checks that aren’t registration.

Is it that now it’s federal, and people assume they’re going to KEEP the info on your guns/purchases rather than run the background check and be done with it?

Why would I run a background check for a private party purchase if the gun is unregistered and I don't have to notify the government anyways?

And no, if you go to a gun store (FFL), they WILL be selling registered firearms as required by law, and also run a background check.

[tunejunkie]

Why would I run a background check for a private party purchase if the gun is unregistered and I don't have to notify the government anyways?

And no, if you go to a gun store (FFL), they WILL be selling registered firearms as required by law, and also run a background check.

Wait sorry. I’m in Ca and get confused which laws are nation wide vs just here in Cali.

We have always registered handguns, but long guns didn’t have registration until relatively recently iirc. What is it nationwide? And what will change with universal background check

[PapaBurgandy]

Wait sorry. I’m in Ca and get confused which laws are nation wide vs just here in Cali.

We have always registered handguns, but long guns didn’t have registration until recently iirc. What is it nationwide? And what will change with universal background check

Here, we do NICS and never think about it again.

[IronILLinois]

Wait sorry. I’m in Ca and get confused which laws are nation wide vs just here in Cali.

We have always registered handguns, but long guns didn’t have registration until recently iirc. What is it nationwide? And what will change with universal background check

from my understanding if we are gonna do universal checks that requires a registry. and after the universal background checks have been deemed to not work they will use the registry to level up which is confiscation.

[tunejunkie]

Here, we do NICS and never think about it again.

So why would universal be a registration?

[Brozef]

What, for like two days? It definitely wasn't widespread lol

Dunno. My friend used one in Afghanistan or Iraq can't remember which. They were given M4s a year or two later.

[BulkingIsHard]

Wait sorry. I’m in Ca and get confused which laws are nation wide vs just here in Cali.

We have always registered handguns, but long guns didn’t have registration until relatively recently iirc. What is it nationwide? And what will change with universal background check

“A Firearms Transaction Record, or ATF Form 4473, is a six-page form prescribed by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) required to be completed when a person proposes to purchase a firearm from a Federal Firearms License (FFL) holder, such as a gun dealer.[1]”

“A Federal Firearms License (FFL) is a license in the United States that enables an individual or a company to engage in a business pertaining to the manufacture or importation of firearms and ammunition, or the interstate and intrastate sale of firearms. Holding an FFL to engage in certain such activities has been a legal requirement within the United States since the enactment of the Gun Control Act of 1968.”

[PapaBurgandy]

So why would universal be a registration?

UBC would create a record of every firearm transaction, which could be audited by ATF....theoretically

[Farley1324]

I have a dumb question.

When folks talk about universal background checks 2a folks say it’s a backdoor registration, but it’s never been explained how?

States currently do background checks that aren’t registration.

Is it that now it’s federal, and people assume they’re going to KEEP the info on your guns/purchases rather than run the background check and be done with it?

"UBC" means that every single new gun manufactured and sold after "UBC" passes, will necessarily be possessed by the person the government can track. The .gov goes to manufacturer who goes to distributor and to dealer, dealer has 4473, they know who it was sold to. That person either possesses it, or can point to the FFL they used to transfer it. If they cannot produce the gun or the 4473 at the FFL that transferred it out of their possession, they broke the law. And the .gov would use that.

Also, more and more 4473 are being done electronically, or old paper forms are being entered electronically, which means all that would have to be done, is run a gun's serial or a person's name, and all guns that were made after UBC passed OR were transferred at an FFL after UBC passed...those guns show in the system as owned...they are registered.

And many (most?) states do not currently have any involvement whatsoever in private firearm transactions.


Besides that, how in the actual fuk is it not an infringement to require federal permission and record keeping to acquire, buy, sell, transfer, etc, a gun? How the fuk is it not an infringement to require we pay for a bakcground check and federal government permission and registration for me to loan a gun to my neighbor?

[spirit750]

Just put in another full price offer on a new house, sight unseen, in Florida. Hopefully this one goes through but it's such a damn feeding frenzy down there. People buying houses over the phone sight unseen for 30-40k over asking price. In cash.

We ate at the Seed to Table place in Naples while we were down. I would highly recommend it, one of the best steaks I’ve ever had and it’s an amazing atmosphere. Basically a high dollar grocery store with bars, bands, and food stands. You go to the meat counter and pick out a steak and take it to a counter down the aisle and pick out a side, tell them how to cook it, and then find a seat and they bring it to you when its done. Outstanding.

But anyways, a couple sat down at the same table we were at and they were straight from New York. The guy said he had one more year in his .gov job and he was retiring and moving down. Luckily he was very conservative and we had a good conversation. Gave me hope that there are just as many conservative people moving out of the ****holes as there are liberals and maybe they won’t fuk the voting that bad.

[Brozef]

could look at opening up a HELOC with values at all time highs and look at using it as some sort of bridge loan for your new construction in the next year. Should be no fees to create and no maintenance fee for it to exist. You'll only be charged an interest only payment on the amount you spend, and should be good for 10 years before you are required to pay back principal. The 10 years gives good time for the housing market to rebalance/fluctuate again to recoup the money spent on the HELOC for your new const down payment.

If it fits the budget to manage the two loan payments if you have a first lien mort on your current place and thenthe new first lien mort on your new place.

Good lookin out son.

I'll have to look into this.

[Farley1324]

Wait sorry. I’m in Ca and get confused which laws are nation wide vs just here in Cali.

We have always registered handguns, but long guns didn’t have registration until relatively recently iirc. What is it nationwide? And what will change with universal background check

Nationwide the only things registered are NFA like sbr or silencer or machine gun.

When i buy a gun at the store its a 4473 which and no background check because carry license

[DualRectifier]

We ate at the Seed to Table place in Naples while we were down. I would highly recommend it, one of the best steaks I’ve ever had and it’s an amazing atmosphere. Basically a high dollar grocery store with bars, bands, and food stands. You go to the meat counter and pick out a steak and take it to a counter down the aisle and pick out a side, tell them how to cook it, and then find a seat and they bring it to you when its done. Outstanding.

But anyways, a couple sat down at the same table we were at and they were straight from New York. The guy said he had one more year in his .gov job and he was retiring and moving down. Luckily he was very conservative and we had a good conversation. Gave me hope that there are just as many conservative people moving out of the ****holes as there are liberals and maybe they won’t fuk the voting that bad.

Yup, we are looking and trying to buy very close to Naples, and I've heard this exact story many times at this point. Sounds like I need to check that spot out.

I have actually been discussing this with the warden. I'm about to spend a third to a half million on a house sight unseen. No inspections, walk-through, not even seeing the lot in person. Could be right next to a pig farm for all we know. But we do have friends down there and a realtor taking walk-around videos for us.. If she's good with it I'm good with it. Just wanna get our little fatasses down to Florida again.

[pUniCepts]

Don't know about his setup but usually a "chin weld" with heads up shooting does the job

There are some adapters on the market that allow you to have a cheek weld

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Those lights integrated in the forend are pretty clean and minimalist but honestly why not just get a rail adapter and use a flashlight on hand

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the one's you posted have 18" (?) barrels. The 870-14 and Shockwave are 14" which doesn't allow a stock.
I used the Mesa Tactical adapter (which Rem used on the discontinued factory offering) and it would've required installing almost AR-height sights.

Spoiler!

Mounting a light forward enough to not interfere with hand placement had the light extend about 2" past the muzzle. Risk damage to light, and increased length nearly negates advantage of the shorter barrel.

Having to drill/tap the receiver or use saddle to accept RDS, or installing tall sights, and only have a 2" OAL seemed dumb when I could use an 18" 870 with bead sight and have an extra round capacity, for much cheaper.

If the brace/adapter FL_Z32 posted - though it's unaesthetic af - allows use of the bead, and I installed that Streamlight I might consider it worth it.

[BulkingIsHard]

the one's you posted have 18" (?) barrels. The 870-14 and Shockwave are 14" which doesn't allow a stock.
I used the Mesa Tactical adapter (which Rem used on the discontinued factory offering) and it would've required installing almost AR-height sights.

Spoiler!

Mounting a light forward enough to not interfere with hand placement had the light extend about 2" past the muzzle. Risk damage to light, and increased length nearly negates advantage of the shorter barrel.

Having to drill/tap the receiver or use saddle to accept RDS, or installing tall sights, and only have a 2" OAL seemed dumb when I could use an 18" 870 with bead sight and have an extra round capacity, for much cheaper.

If the brace/adapter FL_Z32 posted - though it's unaesthetic af - allows use of the bead, and I installed that Streamlight I might consider it worth it.

Well in your case if you absolutely need the forend with integrated light for minimalist setup then get it.

Only downside is if you have a loose grip you might bruise your index finger with the light recoiling back into your hand, which I have experienced on a different model. Don’t know about the streamlight one, and bruising obviously doesn’t matter much in a fight, but it’ll sap the fun out of shooting that gun and you’ll avoid it.

[Rajeev762x39]

Just put in another full price offer on a new house, sight unseen, in Florida. Hopefully this one goes through but it's such a damn feeding frenzy down there. People buying houses over the phone sight unseen for 30-40k over asking price. In cash.

Demand here is being driven by a-holes from NY, NJ, and Brazil.

[Rajeev762x39]

Today I burned through $270 worth of ammo...ouch.

The 510C worked terrific. Quick to zero for 50 yards. By noon the (outdoor) range was just as busy as it was pre-covid/BLM riots/election chaos. Must be a lot of shooters burning their stockpiled ammo, or they’re getting butt-raped by the online sellers.

[criminal_manne]

Today I burned through $270 worth of ammo...ouch.

The 510C worked terrific. Quick to zero for 50 yards. By noon the (outdoor) range was just as busy as it was pre-covid/BLM riots/election chaos. Must be a lot of shooters burning their stockpiled ammo, or they’re getting butt-raped by the online sellers.

Week day range days are goat. Just me and the RSO Monday morning. Work from home now so I can just go whenever. My indoor range is RSO free, member only get in with a badge. It’s great worth every penny.

Might go shoot that Australian Outback 69gr stuff I bought a couple months ago

[keyboardworkout]

I know mfc hates everything I buy. Tell me why I'm stupid for considering a USP right now.

It's always a good idea to make sure all your pistol platforms are differnet so you can be a master of none of them.

Also a good idea to shoot all of them each time you go to the range to insure you don't build any muscle memory.

[Ikeman83]

Range trips work best with 1, maybe 2 guns. Dragging your whole collection out to the range means you aren't actually shooting anything.

This is a balance for me. I've got a couple of guns that I own "just to own them".

My 20" M16 -ish rifle is a good example of this. I shoot it pretty well, but I literally own it just to own it. It's pretty similar to my 1911. I shoot my Ruger 10/22 quite a bit. That's a great little rifle.

[Brozef]

Week day range days are goat. Just me and the RSO Monday morning. Work from home now so I can just go whenever. My indoor range is RSO free, member only get in with a badge. It’s great worth every penny.

Might go shoot that Australian Outback 69gr stuff I bought a couple months ago

I bought a bunch of the ADI 55gr Blitzking and the stuff is incredible.

Unfortunately Global Ordnance is listed on AmmoSeek now so they sell out of the ADI a lot faster.

[criminal_manne]

Range trips work best with 1, maybe 2 guns. Dragging your whole collection out to the range means you aren't actually shooting anything.

This is a balance for me. I've got a couple of guns that I own "just to own them".

My 20" M16 -ish rifle is a good example of this. I shoot it pretty well, but I literally own it just to own it. It's pretty similar to my 1911. I shoot my Ruger 10/22 quite a bit. That's a great little rifle.

Agree with this 100%.

Well 99% my 10/22 doesn’t run worth a damn but I’m working on that.

[Farley1324]

I can't even remember the last time I brought more than 2 guns to the range. Usually 1

[tunejunkie]

Thanks for the clarification on the background checks. Forgot some of the specifics and some of the nuances from state to state.

What a clusterfuk that’s gonna be

[Brozef]

I can't even remember the last time I brought more than 2 guns to the range. Usually 1

Rifle and a pistol for me usually.

I don't have time to clean a bunch of guns in between range days.

[keyboardworkout]

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Bonus training insight at 6:54

[criminal_manne]

Rifle and a pistol for me usually.

I don't have time to clean a bunch of guns in between range days.

You clean your guns after every trip? I like mine nice and carboned.

Just lube it up before the next trip.

[Brozef]

You clean your guns after every trip? I like mine nice and carboned.

Just lube it up before the next trip.

I do. OCD I guess. I at least swab the bore.

[Farley1324]

Not sure I've ever swabbed a bore.

Somewhere between nothing and boresnake is my recipe

[TimeToMakeGains]

Want my last gun to either be a s&w 500 in 4" or the Ruger Super Redhawk Alaskan .454 Casull in 2.5" but having a hard time deciding witch one...

Witch one would you guys choose ?