This is what 6 years of lifting looks like @ 6ft 185 lbs ~15% on below avg genetics

[E-Tank]

i thought the first couple pics were the after i was like uhhhh then i saw the second set

GJDM

[playerzero]

Solid and I mean SOLID progress. Tbh I don't even think ab definition is a must here, your general shape looks good. But yeah, as said above, hit the back a touch more to bring out the full potential of the upper torso.

[Gzus]

I know, super stupid on my part not giving it a 100% before

Not necessarily. Crazy lifts ≠ the body you want. If your goal is to keep gaining mass (it should still be, who was legs) prioritize that and let any extra drip down to strength pursuits (when you're capable/overcome your technical issues).

yeah I feel if I focused and gave it 100% earlier it wouldn't have taken as long.

Correct

If you train/diet/cardio hard over the next two years, I think you'll be really surprised with your results.

This will help too.

deadlifts (which I will start back now since I realize my back is lackluster.)

rackpulls

[solidsnake88]

This will help too.
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rackpulls

i completely forgot about rackpulls. I think i may prefer this over deadlifts. thank you sir.

and yes I have a razor, just too lazy to trim since it's not beach season lol.

[impossible12]

answered it somewhere in the first page, but essentially hold fat in waist and lower chest area, very small wrist size, poor bicep and tricep insertions so arms always look DYEL. my test levels are 300's/low 400's. and yes, i am indian.

Mirin hard work and determination. You've came a long ways. Be proud srs.

Now for your test level.... that is horrible at your age man. I would go see a Endo. You could easily have your test levels at 1100-1250 on a low dose and you will make amazing progress furthering your physique.

[solidsnake88]

Mirin hard work and determination. You've came a long ways. Be proud srs.

Now for your test level.... that is horrible at your age man. I would go see a Endo. You could easily have your test levels at 1100-1250 on a low dose and you will make amazing progress furthering your physique.

oh i know. i've been to a couple docs and even done my own research (A LOT of it actually, quite well versed in the field). but I've decided to wait until I have children to get on TRT.

[kanufs]

Mirin hard srs

How did you fix the kyphosis? My posture looks exactly like yours in the sideways before pic. Started doing 2-3 times more pulling than pushing, stretching the pecs/front delts and really focusing on upper back but haven't seen much progress yet when it comes to posture

[aresman1221]

wtf

I dont get it, Im almost your size, heavier, around the same bf and you look bigger than me. lol

Gj bro, appreciate it more than the non natty transformations around here

[jugulaur]

I know your struggle OP. I still look like DYEL status in large shirts and my arms look like 12inchers even though they're 15.5''. Keep up the good work brother; make sure to hit those rack pulls hard this year because they work wonders- trust me.

[solidsnake88]

Mirin hard srs

How did you fix the kyphosis? My posture looks exactly like yours in the sideways before pic. Started doing 2-3 times more pulling than pushing, stretching the pecs/front delts and really focusing on upper back but haven't seen much progress yet when it comes to posture

i think the kyphosis was more related to me rolling my shoulders forward. I started walking up more straight with my chest out and doing a lot more reverse cable flyes and rotator cuff exercises to push the shoulders back and keeping a conscious effort not to roll them forward.

wtf

I dont get it, Im almost your size, heavier, around the same bf and you look bigger than me. lol

Gj bro, appreciate it more than the non natty transformations around here

well all my size is all upper body. I have no lower body mass since I neglected squats or any other lower body work. So I'd be much heavier with that. also muscle belly insertions and distribution of fat and muscle? Or maybe you're higher BF Than you think? There's lots of variables, no two people will ever look the same with the exact same stats.

[Jibrail]

Your upper body looks great imho, especially your shoulders. I don't think you have bad genetics. Being on the Misc for too long can just be depressing sometimes.

The pics are without pump, right?

[b3trayed]

6 years? Damn bro, feels. It took you 6 years to achieve what us manlets can do in 6 months. Gjdm sticking with it though.

Stats - 5'9. Calls himself a manlet.... WOT?




BTW great progress op, looking good overall. Also them feels on loosing love handles and abdominal fat. that chit soocks and takes forever.

[Bulktillyoked]

You on that dar der op

[94beastmode]

Are peole really saying op made good progress, lmao you guys are dumb. It took him 4 years to train legs and his lifts are week as **** for 6 years of lifting. His progress could of been way better. No hate just keeping to real

[JungleJenetics]

6 years of half assed lifting*, good job on the progress but come on now...

[solidsnake88]

6 years of half assed lifting*, good job on the progress but come on now...

i've stated before i could have put in 100% before but that was my fault for not doing so. it's more like 3 years of dicking around, 1.5 years of decent-good training, 1 year of solid training, and now .5 years of legit on point training.

[Marc.o]

how is your waist so small but you're abs aren't visible?

bad cortisol management gets fat on the belly, could be a food sensitivity

[HotRod23]

solid. we seem to have the same problems

[Shinrah]

we are 1 year apart and same height except I'm 220 lbs and I made more progress in 1 year than you made in 6.. you know why lolz

[solidsnake88]

we are 1 year apart and same height except I'm 220 lbs and I made more progress in 1 year than you made in 6.. you know why lolz

even though I have broad shoulders, I have very small wrists and ankles, so I would never look good at 220. I think around 180-190 is where i'll look best at low BF. And i'm glad for your progress, but as I stated we all have different starting points and different genetic makeup that makes us progress in different ways.

[KingRyan71]

I have a hard time believing he's 185lbs especially with such a small frame.

[94beastmode]

even though I have broad shoulders, I have very small wrists and ankles, so I would never look good at 220. I think around 180-190 is where i'll look best at low BF. And i'm glad for your progress, but as I stated we all have different starting points and different genetic makeup that makes us progress in different ways.

Not sure if srs you are 6 feet of course you can look good at 200-220 pounds.thats. It even that big.

[SkinnyBeast24]

6 years of half assed lifting*, good job on the progress but come on now...

have to agree

im on 3 1/2 years (last 2 being srs about nutrition) and with 2 1/2 to go I hope to look like a gawd

[FeralBeast]

LOL at people giving OP sh!t


that's 10/10 natty progress.

mirin' OP. srs. fuk the juicers who claim natty to try and impress people.


btw you look a little lower than 15%. I'd say 13-14%

[Shinrah]

even though I have broad shoulders, I have very small wrists and ankles, so I would never look good at 220. I think around 180-190 is where i'll look best at low BF. And i'm glad for your progress, but as I stated we all have different starting points and different genetic makeup that makes us progress in different ways.

I'm not natty bro


brb band camp

[solidsnake88]

LOL at people giving OP sh!t


that's 10/10 natty progress.

mirin' OP. srs. fuk the juicers who claim natty to try and impress people.


btw you look a little lower than 15%. I'd say 13-14%

lol thanks brah much appreciated.

I'm not natty bro


brb band camp

aww fuk bye

i figured you were taking a stab at my half assed lifting or genetics lulz.

[Tosma]

thanks guys. still believe I could have achieved a lot more in 6 years. Although that's partly my fault never gave 100% until this past 1.5 years.



made really good gains first 1.5 years. then the middle 3 years was kind of a grey zone where i just stayed the same weight, mainly recomped, no strength gains, but wasn't focused at all. and then these past 1.5 years have been really good gains as well after getting 100% focused.



i'll never tell

It's not about giving 100%, that's bull****. It's about working smart. (http://www.lift-run-bang.com/2013/01...-from-sam.html one over thousands of examples)Don't fall in the lifting obsession cateogry either. Life dosen't gravitate around weightlifting.
You have had good progress.
However, I don't know you starting lifts ; but right now they are a bit low for 6 years. And I will be honest with you, you could've got bigger. Forearm and traps are good, lower back less.
Given your developpment, you seem to have potential ! Especially since you told that the last 1,5 year was very successful. It may be exactly what you say. That would do in reality 3 years of progress therefore making the gains of rather good quality.

I would suggest 5/3/1 who was cns version, as you are familiar with 5/3/1 ; PHAT which is extremelly good or Alberto nunez split if you don't have the time for PHAT. You can also check the intensemuscle forum and try rest-pause training if you haven't. PPL (as you did) and upper/lower can also work. Even some bro-split would do the trick... As long as they are balanced.
Also don't know if you posted about it, but did you check your metabolic rate, macros, diet etc ? Could help with the gains.

[Mindrevolution]

Good job bro. Like others have said maybe not perfect but better than most of the rest. You getting better quality tail now?

[Taktical]

Don't need to do ab work they said. Squats and deads work your abs they said.....

I am bad with ab work, that feel.. maybe 4 total sets a week

[kinzu1996]

brb getting better progres in less than 4 months, manlet genetics op