KaeperGOAT > Alex Smith

[iamgenus]

Its not like Smith threw a game-ending int in that game, aka "Pulling a Kaepernick"

Tough to throw picks when you're afraid to throw the ball unless guys are wide open. At least Kaepernick was trying to win the game.

But why use logic? Your troll act is tired. Get some new material.

[outfoxxed]

Tough to throw picks when you're afraid to throw the ball unless guys are wide open. At least Kaepernick was trying to win the game.

But why use logic? Your troll act is tired. Get some new material.

This.

Kaepernick is actually trying to win the game. So what if Kaepernick and his esteemed contemporaries (such as Geno Smith, Ryan Fitzpatrick or Carson Palmer) throw a couple picks. At least they actually try to win games. I mean, so what if Alex Smith was a more winning QB than Kaepernick. Kaepernick is actually trying to win, Alex Smith just tries not to lose. I mean it's not Alex Smiths fault he doesn't take unnecessary risks. It's Jim Harbaughs fault for coaching a team that would go 13-3 as long as the QB wasn't retarded. Good thing Kaepernick tries to win games, hopefully this year the 9ers can go 16-0 instead of just locking up the number 1 seed like under Alex Smith.

[iamgenus]

This.

Kaepernick is actually trying to win the game. So what if Kaepernick and his esteemed contemporaries (such as Geno Smith, Ryan Fitzpatrick or Carson Palmer) throw a couple picks. At least they actually try to win games. I mean, so what if Alex Smith was a more winning QB than Kaepernick. Kaepernick is actually trying to win, Alex Smith just tries not to lose. I mean it's not Alex Smiths fault he doesn't take unnecessary risks. It's Jim Harbaughs fault for coaching a team that would go 13-3 as long as the QB wasn't retarded. Good thing Kaepernick tries to win games, hopefully this year the 9ers can go 16-0 instead of just locking up the number 1 seed like under Alex Smith.

Sorry but you need an IQ at least in double digits in order to use sarcasm. Try again.

[JmanTheJuiceman]

Tough to throw picks when you're afraid to throw the ball unless guys are wide open. At least Kaepernick was trying to win the game.

But why use logic? Your troll act is tired. Get some new material.

What logic have you been using again? Oh yeah, just the same old "it's all Roman's fault" bull chit.

I wonder why Roman doesn't want to throw it as much. Until Kaep starts taking over games and becomes a much better passer, I refuse to consider him a Top-15 QB. Maybe he can shoulder a heavy passing style offense, but for now he is simply a mid-tier game managing QB.

[JmanTheJuiceman]

Sorry but you need an IQ at least in double digits in order to use sarcasm. Try again.

Surprise surprise another 49er fan attacking the arguer instead of the argument.

I don't even

[iamgenus]

Surprise surprise another 49er fan attacking the arguer instead of the argument.

I don't even

If either of you actually came to argue using facts I'd be happy to address them.

All you guys have done is play make believe and what ifs with nothing of value behind those.

You already made you claims about big mental flaws in Kap's game and then couldn't even provide any which he still struggles with frequently.

Meanwhile you're busy sucking off Bridgewater after one game...

[iamgenus]

What logic have you been using again? Oh yeah, just the same old "it's all Roman's fault" bull chit.

I wonder why Roman doesn't want to throw it as much. Until Kaep starts taking over games and becomes a much better passer, I refuse to consider him a Top-15 QB. Maybe he can shoulder a heavy passing style offense, but for now he is simply a mid-tier game managing QB.

Who's calling him a top 15 QB?

You're acting like the guy sucks. Big difference between someone not being top 15 and sucking.

[JmanTheJuiceman]

If either of you actually came to argue using facts I'd be happy to address them.

All you guys have done is play make believe and what ifs with nothing of value behind those.

You already made you claims about big mental flaws in Kap's game and then couldn't even provide any which he still struggles with frequently.

Meanwhile you're busy sucking off Bridgewater after one game...

I don't know where to begin here, man. The facts are there for everybody to see. Kaep simply has not been producing like a quality QB does. 200 yards/game is the definition of mediocre my friend. Even IF the scheme is holding him back, he still hasn't proved that he can be a QB that can take over games with his arm.

He's really fast and the threat of him running is real, though.

Who's calling him a top 15 QB?

You're acting like the guy sucks. Big difference between someone not being top 15 and sucking.

Never said he sucks, I'd like you to quote where I did. He's a top 15-20 QB for me, so a serviceable starter.

[ShweezyBTFO]

Tough to throw picks when you're afraid to throw the ball unless guys are wide open. At least Kaepernick was trying to win the game.

But why use logic? Your troll act is tired. Get some new material.

if you look back to 2012, Jman was a huge Kaepernick fan lol dead srs

[outfoxxed]

if a qb isn't producing at a probwol level within their first 2 or 3 seasons as a starter they'll likely never produce at a probowl level.

http://www.footballperspective.com/h...-to-break-out/

the only exceptions are qb's on exceptionally bad teams like drew brees.

examples of this are basically every good qb under the sun. everyone from peyton manning to ron brady to joe montana.

but keep hoping kaepernick is going to be like rich gannon.

[EvilChicken]

if a qb isn't producing at a probwol level within their first 2 or 3 seasons as a starter they'll likely never produce at a probowl level.

http://www.footballperspective.com/h...-to-break-out/

the only exceptions are qb's on exceptionally bad teams like drew brees.

examples of this are basically every good qb under the sun. everyone from peyton manning to ron brady to joe montana.

but keep hoping kaepernick is going to be like rich gannon.

First of all, this logic is retarded. Second, Kaep has only had 1 full season as a starter.

[ocill88]

In this case I'll take the hard hat over kaepergoat. No question smith is better and has a bonus he's a field general

[JmanTheJuiceman]

if you look back to 2012, Jman was a huge Kaepernick fan lol dead srs

[selloutpayme]

First of all, this logic is retarded. Second, Kaep has only had 1 full season as a starter.

Yup. Kaepernick is basically a Rookie

[outfoxxed]

First of all, this logic is retarded. Second, Kaep has only had 1 full season as a starter.

what? it's not even logic dude. i'm not making an if x then y argument. it's a statistical trend. you know like having sex increases chance of pregnancy. it's more likely someone gets pregnant while having sex but sometimes there are freak accidents like when a gay dude jacks off on a public toilet while reading men's fitness magazine and a virgin girl sits down on it right after like in the case of iamgenus's mother. now i'm sure kaepernick could be a statistical outlier like rich gannon but really how likely is that.



you'll be hardpressed to find a qb who takes the next big step in seasons 5 or 6. brilliant qbs show their brilliance within their first few seasons statistically. and it's actually 3 at MOST. you'll know if you had actually looked at some of the data in that link. oh and i'd argue that kaeps in his 3rd full season as a starter in the sense that he played 16 games in his first season, 19 games in his second and 4 or 5 this season. take tom brady, by his second season as a starter he had already dropped a 28td-14int season. you'll find almost every other qb "breaks out" in their first 3 seasons unless they are on a bad team.

[iamgenus]

what? it's not even logic dude. i'm not making an if x then y argument. it's a statistical trend. you know like having sex increases chance of pregnancy. it's more likely someone gets pregnant while having sex but sometimes there are freak accidents like when a gay dude jacks off on a public toilet while reading men's fitness magazine and a virgin girl sits down on it right after like in the case of iamgenus's mother. now i'm sure kaepernick could be a statistical outlier like rich gannon but really how likely is that.



you'll be hardpressed to find a qb who takes the next big step in seasons 5 or 6. brilliant qbs show their brilliance within their first few seasons statistically. and it's actually 3 at MOST. you'll know if you had actually looked at some of the data in that link. oh and i'd argue that kaeps in his 3rd full season as a starter in the sense that he played 16 games in his first season, 19 games in his second and 4 or 5 this season. take tom brady, by his second season as a starter he had already dropped a 28td-14int season. you'll find almost every other qb "breaks out" in their first 3 seasons unless they are on a bad team.

Christ you don't know when to just sulk away and avoid further embarrassment do you?

Your arguments about why Kap sucks and why Alex is better have been all over the place. At one point you used the logic that because Kap turned the ball over vs Seattle he's worse. Yet here you are rocking the Denver Broncos in your sig...yet the great Peyton Manning threw just as many picks vs that Defense and couldn't even muster scoring half the points Kaepernick put up IN Seattle...Using your logic Manning is worse than Smith as well.

Now back to this absurd idea that all QBs follow some sort of unbreakable trend...unless 20 things happen. I always enjoy trends that are recorded and then someone adds (except for the case of this and that and that or this) It's either a trend or not why are we making additions to it?

So let me ask you...what means "break out" season? Is there a rule I didn't know about which states what constitutes break out season?

You mention Brady's season of 28-14 as a breakout season. Kaepernick last year facing much tougher defenses than Brady did back then, with lesser offensive talent most of the year put up 21-8 TD-INT ratio. That's 7 TDs less and 6 INT less than Brady in his "breakout season"

Yet Brady that year had 601 passing attempts. Kaepernick had 416 last year. Any chance the nearly 200 attempt difference could've played a part in the lesser yardage/TD numbers? Couldn't be cuz Brady had a higher YPA with 6.3 YPA to Kap's 7.7 YPA.

Wait...is that how math works or is the higher number better?

Kap had a better QB rating than Brady in what you term Tom's breakout year. Not to mention the difference in coaching between the two. Harbaugh and Belichick couldn't be further apart in how they approach a game. Harbaugh constantly plays conservative football while BB will attack the whole game. Goes a long way to having better stats.

Also during Tom's breakout year he faced 4 teams who had a top 10 rated defense. Only one of them being in his division(Dolphins who also happened to be the only team rated top 5 or 10 in both points allowed or yards)
He went 2-3 against them.

Kap faced 5 teams who had a top 10 rated defense. Two of those teams were in his division. 4 of those teams were rated top 10(3 in top 5) in yards allowed and points allowed. Seattle obviously being #1 in both. He went 4-3 against them.

So once again...what makes it a breakout season?

I understand you're too stupid to understand there's more to the game than stats but you'd be surprised how complex this game is. This isn't math. You can't say 5 is greater than 3 and therefore bigger and better.

I also enjoy the thought process you put into making fun of my mother but you can't even get that right. brb calling my mom a virgin...damn how am I gonna recover from that one?

[mngardne]

Kap is definitely better than Smith. No question.

[DefensiveEnd896]

Kap is definitely better than Smith. No question.

Well that was a convincing post.

[EvilChicken]

what? it's not even logic dude. i'm not making an if x then y argument. it's a statistical trend. you know like having sex increases chance of pregnancy. it's more likely someone gets pregnant while having sex but sometimes there are freak accidents like when a gay dude jacks off on a public toilet while reading men's fitness magazine and a virgin girl sits down on it right after like in the case of iamgenus's mother. now i'm sure kaepernick could be a statistical outlier like rich gannon but really how likely is that.



you'll be hardpressed to find a qb who takes the next big step in seasons 5 or 6. brilliant qbs show their brilliance within their first few seasons statistically. and it's actually 3 at MOST. you'll know if you had actually looked at some of the data in that link. oh and i'd argue that kaeps in his 3rd full season as a starter in the sense that he played 16 games in his first season, 19 games in his second and 4 or 5 this season. take tom brady, by his second season as a starter he had already dropped a 28td-14int season. you'll find almost every other qb "breaks out" in their first 3 seasons unless they are on a bad team.

Your argument is flawed because the guy you're saying is better than Kaep (Smith) finally made a pro bowl 8 years after being drafted. According to your argument, RG3 is better than Kaep because he made a pro bowl during his first 3 seasons.

[mngardne]

Well that was a convincing post.

About as convincing as any other potato post in here. Just sick of people ignorantly criticizing Kap and defending Alex without having actually watched them play (which is easy to tell by seeing their arguments for and against both guys). Posting stats isn't a convincing argument either because it doesn't take into account anything about the rest of the team or schemes/play calling.

It is pretty easy to see Kap is better than Alex and also gives any NFL team a better chance to win. Alex might be more mature and make safer decisions but I don't see how that makes him better. Alex was nowhere near as good as Kap at the early stage of his career either. It took him a long time to get to this point and even at this point Kap is better, and he has basically played a season and a half. I don't see how you can watch both players play and tell me Alex is better. And I watched all of Alex's game as a Niner and Kap's too. I watched a few of Alex's as a Chief and he is still the same guy. At his highest potential, and Kap isn't even there yet and is still better than Alex.

[iamgenus]

Well that was a convincing post.

14/26 201 1 0 > 16/30 158 1 1

Stats tell the whole story right?

[GermanLifter]

in on thread of iamgenus single handedly destroying alex smith dick riders

[JmanTheJuiceman]

14/26 201 1 0 > 16/30 158 1 1

Stats tell the whole story right?

You're right, they do. Check out each players' last playoff game

About as convincing as any other potato post in here. Just sick of people ignorantly criticizing Kap and defending Alex without having actually watched them play (which is easy to tell by seeing their arguments for and against both guys). Posting stats isn't a convincing argument either because it doesn't take into account anything about the rest of the team or schemes/play calling.

It is pretty easy to see Kap is better than Alex and also gives any NFL team a better chance to win. Alex might be more mature and make safer decisions but I don't see how that makes him better. Alex was nowhere near as good as Kap at the early stage of his career either. It took him a long time to get to this point and even at this point Kap is better, and he has basically played a season and a half. I don't see how you can watch both players play and tell me Alex is better. And I watched all of Alex's game as a Niner and Kap's too. I watched a few of Alex's as a Chief and he is still the same guy. At his highest potential, and Kap isn't even there yet and is still better than Alex.

San Francisco 49ers
San Francisco Giants
Golden State Warriors
San Jose Sharks

Lol

in on thread of iamgenus single handedly destroying alex smith dick riders

Haha, if you say so..

[outfoxxed]

About as convincing as any other potato post in here. Just sick of people ignorantly criticizing Kap and defending Alex without having actually watched them play (which is easy to tell by seeing their arguments for and against both guys). Posting stats isn't a convincing argument either because it doesn't take into account anything about the rest of the team or schemes/play calling.

It is pretty easy to see Kap is better than Alex and also gives any NFL team a better chance to win. Alex might be more mature and make safer decisions but I don't see how that makes him better. Alex was nowhere near as good as Kap at the early stage of his career either. It took him a long time to get to this point and even at this point Kap is better, and he has basically played a season and a half. I don't see how you can watch both players play and tell me Alex is better. And I watched all of Alex's game as a Niner and Kap's too. I watched a few of Alex's as a Chief and he is still the same guy. At his highest potential, and Kap isn't even there yet and is still better than Alex.

we're going to act like colin kaepernick doesnt have much superior offensive weapons compared to alex the 3rd goat qb in 9ers history?

alex throw more touchdowns in 3 games than kaepernick does in 6?

colin, completed over 60% of his passes once in the playoffs?

And kaepernick has basically only played a season and a half? Keep making excuses lmao. He had 13 starts his first year, 3 more in the playoffs, another 19 starts the year before and he's got another 5 this season. That puts him around 2 and a half seasons of starts and 4 training camps.

At this point, kaepernick has already demonstrated that he will never be elite.

[iamgenus]

You're right, they do. Check out each players' last playoff game




San Francisco 49ers
San Francisco Giants
Golden State Warriors
San Jose Sharks

Lol




Haha, if you say so..

Still here? Shouldn't you be out fundraising for Adrian Petersons next gang bang?

[Miked1978]

Impressed that this thread has made it this far. I guess everyone is in agreement that Kaepernick is top 5 QB in the league.

[Cali916]

Christ you don't know when to just sulk away and avoid further embarrassment do you?

Your arguments about why Kap sucks and why Alex is better have been all over the place. At one point you used the logic that because Kap turned the ball over vs Seattle he's worse. Yet here you are rocking the Denver Broncos in your sig...yet the great Peyton Manning threw just as many picks vs that Defense and couldn't even muster scoring half the points Kaepernick put up IN Seattle...Using your logic Manning is worse than Smith as well.

Now back to this absurd idea that all QBs follow some sort of unbreakable trend...unless 20 things happen. I always enjoy trends that are recorded and then someone adds (except for the case of this and that and that or this) It's either a trend or not why are we making additions to it?

So let me ask you...what means "break out" season? Is there a rule I didn't know about which states what constitutes break out season?

You mention Brady's season of 28-14 as a breakout season. Kaepernick last year facing much tougher defenses than Brady did back then, with lesser offensive talent most of the year put up 21-8 TD-INT ratio. That's 7 TDs less and 6 INT less than Brady in his "breakout season"

Yet Brady that year had 601 passing attempts. Kaepernick had 416 last year. Any chance the nearly 200 attempt difference could've played a part in the lesser yardage/TD numbers? Couldn't be cuz Brady had a higher YPA with 6.3 YPA to Kap's 7.7 YPA.

Wait...is that how math works or is the higher number better?

Kap had a better QB rating than Brady in what you term Tom's breakout year. Not to mention the difference in coaching between the two. Harbaugh and Belichick couldn't be further apart in how they approach a game. Harbaugh constantly plays conservative football while BB will attack the whole game. Goes a long way to having better stats.

Also during Tom's breakout year he faced 4 teams who had a top 10 rated defense. Only one of them being in his division(Dolphins who also happened to be the only team rated top 5 or 10 in both points allowed or yards)
He went 2-3 against them.

Kap faced 5 teams who had a top 10 rated defense. Two of those teams were in his division. 4 of those teams were rated top 10(3 in top 5) in yards allowed and points allowed. Seattle obviously being #1 in both. He went 4-3 against them.

So once again...what makes it a breakout season?

I understand you're too stupid to understand there's more to the game than stats but you'd be surprised how complex this game is. This isn't math. You can't say 5 is greater than 3 and therefore bigger and better.

I also enjoy the thought process you put into making fun of my mother but you can't even get that right. brb calling my mom a virgin...damn how am I gonna recover from that one?

rip in piece juiceman

[JmanTheJuiceman]

Still here? Shouldn't you be out fundraising for Adrian Petersons next gang bang?

Another 49er fan bringing a completely irrelevant thing up ITT.

You guys are good at this

[EvilChicken]

49ers should have kept Alex smith

yeah he's a much better backup than Gabbert.

[iamgenus]

Another 49er fan bringing a completely irreverent thing up ITT.

You guys are good at this

I believe the word you're looking for is irrelevant.

And what's the difference between us doing that and you trolling by providing 0 facts in trying to make your claims?