Official Israel/Palestine discussion thread

[Sag1e]

A 20 year old terrorist ran over and stabbed soldiers + citizens. A 15 year old girl, 19 year old female soldier a 20 year old soldier and a 45 year old man.
The terrorist ***got was caught alive and not dead.http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...709737,00.html

[Tha big kahoona]

Lol sa1ge...are you really going to post everytime an Israeli gets injured? If I did the same with dead Palestinians we 'd be on page 700 of part 3 of this thread.

[Merretto]

Lol sa1ge...are you really going to post everytime an Israeli gets injured? If I did the same with dead Palestinians we 'd be on page 700 of part 3 of this thread.

Yaya stop the whining. Palestinians have the lowest body count and highest standard of living of any conflict in history. The drama is very strong in that place. Crime related deaths are higher in many countries than their "conflict".

At the end of the day, no oil, no IP, no Innovation. No one really cares. Unfortunate.


So you've been pretty consistent into this whining over the past year, i haven't checked up in a while.

You must feel accomplished.


And to the Israelis/jews here. Oh ya? the stabbings are bad huh? how many now? 20?

Welcome to a weekend in Detroit !

[Sag1e]

A video of the terrorist stabbing the police officers and being shot dead. The video shows it all, from them checking his ID to him being shot after attacking.

https://m.********.com/story.php?sto...&id=1815344900

Stabbings in Jerusalem.
Boy, 13, fighting for life and another man seriously injured; female terrorist carries out attack opposite Israel Police headquarters, injuring one.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...709978,00.html

In fourth attack in Jerusalem in a day, assailant tries to choke soldier, then stabs him, before passenger tries to overpower him and police shoot him dead.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...710332,00.html

[spadelexus]

kahoona please post Palestinians getting injured. I think its very important the readers of this thread differentiate between a palestinian terrorist getting killed or injured for using a deadly weapon, or Palestinians who are unintentionally injured or killed in the crossfire, and israeli civilians who are injured or killed after being intentionally targeted.

Arab honor and pride has kept your people unable to make peace. Because you hold honor and pride as a virtue above life itself. So you would rather die attempting to restore your honor through revenge instead of swallowing your pride, putting down the weapons , and begin to build a peaceful future and co exist with israelis. This is self destructive on several levels:

1. This glorifies death and suicide in Palestinian culture
2. Revenge against Israeli civilians becomes justified on Arab street which:
a. Gives the IDF reason to respond to threats against its civilians with far greater force, increasing the amount Palestinians casualties both terrorists and innocent bystanders caught in the crossfire
b. Gives the Western world, especially the United States, reason to increase its support of Israel: financial, diplomatic, moral and otherwise.
c. Gives the Western world, especially the United States, reason to decrease its support of the Palestinians: financial, diplomatic, moral and otherwise.

So anybody with a 1st grade level of math can look at the situation and say if Palestinians

• Stop glorifying death and suicide of its own people (x)
• Stop targeting civilians (y)
• Then they will have less if not any casualties, the support of the West, and inevitably have their own state with defined borders. (Z)

This can be illustrated as follows :

X + Y = Z

Now you're probably thinking that's easier said than done. But I will gurantee you that if you want to make a change in the world, you want to go down in history as someone who will be studied by generations to come, then start a peaceful non violent pro Palestinian Movement.

The only reason why we haven't seen this yet take form in this conflict is because of Arab pride. Not only will this be looked at is dishonorable but whoever takes such a stance will be in danger of getting killed by Palestinians.

It's a bold move. But I guarantee you whoever makes that move, will be given support and protection by the West and even Israel, and will carve out their place in history by changing the world.

[Sag1e]

Morning of terror. 2 murderedand dozens injured in 4 different attacks. 2 of the terrorists tried to hijack a bus while shooting and stabbing people.
More in the article:
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...710508,00.html

Those motherphuckers need to pay.
Its impossible to stay here without getting stabbed.

[Tha big kahoona]

Its impossible to stay here occupying them without getting stabbed.

Don't worry, people will pay, just not the people behind any of these. It's usually just random people, as i'm sure you know.

Did any of these happen inside Israel? i.e outside the West Bank?

[Sag1e]

Don't worry, people will pay, just not the people behind any of these. It's usually just random people, as i'm sure you know.

Did any of these happen inside Israel? i.e outside the West Bank?

All of them! Raanana, Jerusalem, Tel Aviv, Gan Shmuel, Petah Tikva, Afula, Haifa etc.
Total chaos.
Here's the video of the quick takeover of the bus where 2 terrorists shot and stabbed civilians while trying to hijack it.

https://m.********.com/story.php?sto...96217673784354

[bcop]

Did any of these happen inside Israel? i.e outside the West Bank?

It doesn't make a difference where they happened. Terrorism is terrorism.

Even if you want Israel to "withdraw", that doesn't mean that you are allowed to attack them as they go about their daily lives.

[bcop]

lol such a stupid post.


BRB israeli parents are "modern" and "peaceful".


How about the fact that they live in comfort under protection of soldiers while the palestinians live in slums and have no future prospects and live constantly on the edge.

- Not all of them live in slums. There are rich and poor Palestinians, just like there are rich and poor Israelis.

- Any difficulties that they have are the fault of their inept leaders, and their own terroristic actions, not Israel. Their problems are not hard to fix.

[Sag1e]

Graphic video! The video of the terrorist running over Jews, then going out of the car with a butchers knife and stabbing them. Luckily, there was a security guard nearby
https://m.********.com/story.php?sto...96217673784354

[spadelexus]

It doesn't make a difference where they happened. Terrorism is terrorism.

Even if you want Israel to "withdraw", that doesn't mean that you are allowed to attack them as they go about their daily lives.

It will do the exact opposite. IDF will beef up their presence in the West Bank. With more IDF in the West Bank, more settlers will move into the West Bank. Arabs are destroying any possible chance they will ever have of establishing a state free of Jews.

[spadelexus]

Morning of terror. 2 murderedand dozens injured in 4 different attacks. 2 of the terrorists tried to hijack a bus while shooting and stabbing people.
More in the article:
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...710508,00.html

Those motherphuckers need to pay.
Its impossible to stay here without getting stabbed.

The underlined is what the West will never understand about this conflict. I actually shouldn't say that. The more Arabs move into the West, either refugees from Syria into Germany or Libyans swimming into Italy and the more the West is exposed to jihadist terrorism on the news, then they will begin to understand. It's actually starting...

It's the understanding of the Arab culture, and influence Islam has on it. When death and suicide become glorified in a culture where Arab/Palestinian/Muslim/Family/Clan pride and honor are more important than life, then there are only two ways to stop the conflict:

1. Submit
2. Suppress

If Israel submits then good bye Jewish state.

That leaves Israel only one option. It's funny that AA43560 actually made this point a few posts back when he was talking about "speaking the language"... It's not that the language of strength and force and violence is the language that Israel speaks as her mother tongue. It's that this is the only language Arabs know how to speak. So Israel is forced to speak this language in order to effectively communicate with her neighbors. So in order for Israel to stop this uprising, they need to do what they've done to achieve victory in all previous conflicts. They need to slay the head of the dragon...

Israel needs to send tzanchanim gdude 101 into Ramallah and put Abbas, and all the leaders of Fatah who support and call for the attacks on innocent civilians in handcuffs. Israel needs to declare all Palestinian territory a military zone, inact curfews on all Palestinians, restrict their movement in the West Bank and tighten if not completely deny their entry into Israel proper. Then Israel needs to call up reservists, send infantry in to every Arab village and go door to door, house to house, roof to roof, shop to shop, casbah to casbah and sweep houses and businesses of any weapons, as well as terrorist paraphernalia and propaganda.

This happened over the course of several years during the 2nd Intifada. And only after the above took place, and after the security fence was erected, did the 2nd intifada stop and israeli civilians started to go out in the coffee shops of Jerusalem with out the fear of getting stabbed or blown to shreds.

Israel and the Jewish people are resilient. We are survivors. And when we get nocked down we rise up stronger. Before the 2nd intifadah Israelis use to go to Arab villages to buy hummus and labne. After the 2nd intifadah Israelis built a metro system in Jerusalem, and turned what was pretty much a no mans land during 2001-2004, into a bustling metropolitan, cultural capital of Israel with restaurants and night life to compete with Tel Aviv!!!! ...But guess what? Israelis learned their lesson and didn't go back to the Arab villages to buy hummus and labne. Which unintentionally hurt the Palestinian hummus and labne markets.

So this uprising will be no different. Israel will come back stronger, and the Palestinians weaker. And all that needs to happen to prevent this is Palestinians have to say "targeting civilians is wrong!" "suicide is not heroic!" ... That's it. But they can't. It's not in their vocabulary. Strength and force is.

[AA43560]

Its impossible to stay here without getting stabbed.

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Now your catching on. I wonder what the solution is.

[AA43560]

The underlined is what the West will never understand about this conflict. I actually shouldn't say that. The more Arabs move into the West, either refugees from Syria into Germany or Libyans swimming into Italy and the more the West is exposed to jihadist terrorism on the news, then they will begin to understand. It's actually starting...

It's the understanding of the Arab culture, and influence Islam has on it. When death and suicide become glorified in a culture where Arab/Palestinian/Muslim/Family/Clan pride and honor are more important than life, then there are only two ways to stop the conflict:

1. Submit
2. Suppress

If Israel submits then good bye Jewish state.

That leaves Israel only one option. It's funny that AA43560 actually made this point a few posts back when he was talking about "speaking the language"... It's not that the language of strength and force and violence is the language that Israel speaks as her mother tongue. It's that this is the only language Arabs know how to speak. So Israel is forced to speak this language in order to effectively communicate with her neighbors. So in order for Israel to stop this uprising, they need to do what they've done to achieve victory in all previous conflicts. They need to slay the head of the dragon...

Israel needs to send tzanchanim gdude 101 into Ramallah and put Abbas, and all the leaders of Fatah who support and call for the attacks on innocent civilians in handcuffs. Israel needs to declare all Palestinian territory a military zone, inact curfews on all Palestinians, restrict their movement in the West Bank and tighten if not completely deny their entry into Israel proper. Then Israel needs to call up reservists, send infantry in to every Arab village and go door to door, house to house, roof to roof, shop to shop, casbah to casbah and sweep houses and businesses of any weapons, as well as terrorist paraphernalia and propaganda.

This happened over the course of several years during the 2nd Intifada. And only after the above took place, and after the security fence was erected, did the 2nd intifada stop and israeli civilians started to go out in the coffee shops of Jerusalem with out the fear of getting stabbed or blown to shreds.

Israel and the Jewish people are resilient. We are survivors. And when we get nocked down we rise up stronger. Before the 2nd intifadah Israelis use to go to Arab villages to buy hummus and labne. After the 2nd intifadah Israelis built a metro system in Jerusalem, and turned what was pretty much a no mans land during 2001-2004, into a bustling metropolitan, cultural capital of Israel with restaurants and night life to compete with Tel Aviv!!!! ...But guess what? Israelis learned their lesson and didn't go back to the Arab villages to buy hummus and labne. Which unintentionally hurt the Palestinian hummus and labne markets.

So this uprising will be no different. Israel will come back stronger, and the Palestinians weaker. And all that needs to happen to prevent this is Palestinians have to say "targeting civilians is wrong!" "suicide is not heroic!" ... That's it. But they can't. It's not in their vocabulary. Strength and force is.

LOL your delusion if you think they can be locked up like animals under "curfew". If that ever happens, imagine whats going on now x100. Your lucky they are only stabbing and running people over now, imagine if it escalates to where they start bombing places.

All of this is the result of ISRAELS *******ry. It is 100 percent ISRAELS fault. People do not resist and conduct guerilla warfare like this for no reason. If life for palestinians was good they wouldnt attack israelis knowing that they WILL PROBABLY DIE. This is ISRAEL reaping what they have sowed for the past 60 years.

[bcop]

LOL your delusion if you think they can be locked up like animals under "curfew". If that ever happens, imagine whats going on now x100. Your lucky they are only stabbing and running people over now, imagine if it escalates to where they start bombing places.

All of this is the result of ISRAELS *******ry. It is 100 percent ISRAELS fault. People do not resist and conduct guerilla warfare like this for no reason. If life for palestinians was good they wouldnt attack israelis knowing that they WILL PROBABLY DIE. This is ISRAEL reaping what they have sowed for the past 60 years.

That is not true. Life for the Palestinians is good, and would be even better if they would renounce terrorism. However, they are not satisfied with 100% of Gaza and 40% of the West Bank. They want the Jewish state of Israel to disappear and be replaced with "Palestine", for both secular and religious reasons. And they are willing to kill for that.

There were plenty of revolutions started even though the revolutionaries had good living conditions. Heck, look at the first "intifada" in the late 80s. There were no checkpoints, no blockades, and Israelis and Palestinians went through each others towns freely, and conducted plenty of trade with each other. Yet they still rioted.

[spadelexus]

LOL your delusion if you think they can be locked up like animals under "curfew". If that ever happens, imagine whats going on now x100. Your lucky they are only stabbing and running people over now, imagine if it escalates to where they start bombing places.

All of this is the result of ISRAELS *******ry. It is 100 percent ISRAELS fault. People do not resist and conduct guerilla warfare like this for no reason. If life for palestinians was good they wouldnt attack israelis knowing that they WILL PROBABLY DIE. This is ISRAEL reaping what they have sowed for the past 60 years.

This is incorrect. Israel has, can and will put curfews in place. Israeli "*******ry" isn't a valid reason to stab someone, although you probably believe that homosexuals should be given the death penalty. And to reiterate my points from my previous posts, if you look back over the past 60 years, Israel has achieved, developed and essentially gained more, much more than the Palestinians. So Israel is reaping the fruit from stupidity seeds Arabs and Palestinians are planting.

YOU are lucky Israelis value life more than the Arabs/Muslims/Palestinians. If Israelis were Muslims or Arabs, Palestinians would be an endangered species.

And give me a break most people couldn't tell the difference between Cairo and Gaza, or Damascus and Ramallah. Arabs will still be burning their trash instead of using refuse and waste systems, they will still be putting their mentally ill in barns to sleep with donkeys and chickens, they will still be using their hands to wipe feces from their anus, they will still be slaughtering their daughters with box cutters to uphold family honor after their older brother raped them, and they will still be strapping explosive belts to their waist to explode in crowded civilian areas on a suicude jihad mission - all of that would STILL happen if no Jew ever stepped foot in the West Bank!!!

You know how I know? Cuz there's no Israelis in Yemen, there's no Israelis in Libya, there's no Israelis in Egypt, there's no Israelis in Iraq, there's no Israelis in Syria, and on and on and on...and Arabs and Muslims are doing that chit erry cot damn day.

[Merretto]

LOL your delusion if you think they can be locked up like animals under "curfew". If that ever happens, imagine whats going on now x100. Your lucky they are only stabbing and running people over now, imagine if it escalates to where they start bombing places.

All of this is the result of ISRAELS *******ry. It is 100 percent ISRAELS fault. People do not resist and conduct guerilla warfare like this for no reason. If life for palestinians was good they wouldnt attack israelis knowing that they WILL PROBABLY DIE. This is ISRAEL reaping what they have sowed for the past 60 years.

I would love to be the Palestinian leader. Who wouldnt want to be a billionaire?! Yeah i would probably piss people off by taking all their money. But i could just point the finger at the jews and blame them for all the problems im causing, that would distract them long enough for me to buy houses all over the world and criticize Israel from a safe location, but not too far that i cant receive my foreign aid allowance.


I can guarantee you this buddy, not many people here would want to be the leader of Israel, but EVERYONE would love to be the leader of the Palestinians.

[Sag1e]

LOL your delusion if you think they can be locked up like animals under "curfew". If that ever happens, imagine whats going on now x100. Your lucky they are only stabbing and running people over now, imagine if it escalates to where they start bombing places.

All of this is the result of ISRAELS *******ry. It is 100 percent ISRAELS fault. People do not resist and conduct guerilla warfare like this for no reason. If life for palestinians was good they wouldnt attack israelis knowing that they WILL PROBABLY DIE. This is ISRAEL reaping what they have sowed for the past 60 years.

The Muslims bring it on themselves everytime! started from 1947-1948 - Israel's war of independence. The UN's "two countries for two nations" plan , the Jews agreed the Arabs didn't, 5 Islamic states united with the local arabs and started a war against the Jews, which they lost, so they got nothing.
Till 1967 hundrads of terror attacks on baby Israel back in the days, until they took a step forward towards a bigger war - six day war. Israel demolished Egypt,Jordan and Syria returning Jerusalem back to the Jews after 2000 years and other lands like Golan Heights and Sinai desert. 1973 Yom Kippur war - Israel's toughest war. Again, same Arabic countries try to destroy Israel - and fail.
1979 peace agreement with Egypt. finally, a country with a brain.
Throughout the whole 70's terror attacks on Jews - Sabena, Antebee Munich etc.
80's. 1982 a war with terror organizations in Lebanon. late 80's - first Intifada. During the 90's and early 2000's plenty of suicide bombers and terror attacks and - second intifada.
2006 a war with Hezbollah 2008 with Hamas, 2014 with Hamas again.
Meanwhile, from around 2004 till now rockets hit south Israel hard.
Now? Again same thing. Terror attacks throughout Israel leaving civilians dead for nothing - because of a stupid religion believing in martyrdom(I'm an atheist).
Only yesterday we mentioned 15 years to the disgusting ramallah lynch. you can read more on Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Ramallah_lynching

Would you shake these hands for peace? I most definitely wouldn't.



You see, people like you feed the Arabic youngsters with prejudiced ideas and false stories, causing their own death and Jewish civilians death.
The things you wish to bring upon others, will eventually come back biting you in the ass.
They enjoy the meal they've cooked themselves. Karma is a bitch.

[Tha big kahoona]

A Jew stabbed a Jew today thinking he was Arab. He dun goofed

[spatchcock]

LOL your delusion if you think they can be locked up like animals under "curfew". If that ever happens, imagine whats going on now x100. Your lucky they are only stabbing and running people over now, imagine if it escalates to where they start bombing places.

All of this is the result of ISRAELS *******ry. It is 100 percent ISRAELS fault. People do not resist and conduct guerilla warfare like this for no reason. If life for palestinians was good they wouldnt attack israelis knowing that they WILL PROBABLY DIE. This is ISRAEL reaping what they have sowed for the past 60 years.

lmaooooooooo @ pallywood victim mindset of peace

you want life to get better for palestinians? stop electing terrorist governments, stop shooting fukin rockets and stop attacking people in the streets

[Tha big kahoona]

lmaooooooooo @ pallywood victim mindset of peace

you want life to get better for palestinians? stop electing terrorist governments, stop shooting fukin rockets and stop attacking people in the streets

It's funny how the group that actually runs and owns hollywood and the media has somehow convinced a silly Australian that it's the Palestinians who are the masters of media manipulation.

The numbers don't lie. It's the Palestinians who are getting killed, not the Israelis. The Palestinians killed are much, much more than the Israelis. It's not even close.

I don't know why I'm even responding. If you don't believe an occupied people have the right to resist, then I don't think anything I post will change your mind.

The Israelis have been very clear about their intentions to block the formation of a sovereign Palestinian state - as if decades of no traction hasn't proven that already. The Palestinians don't stand a fighting chance against Israel, but they'd rather go down fighting for their dream than roll over and play dead.

[spatchcock]

It's funny how the group that actually runs and owns hollywood and the media has somehow convinced a silly Australian that it's the Palestinians who are the masters of media manipulation.

The numbers don't lie. It's the Palestinians who are getting killed, not the Israelis. The Palestinians killed are much, much more than the Israelis. It's not even close.

I don't know why I'm even responding. If you don't believe an occupied people have the right to resist, then I don't think anything I post will change your mind.

The Israelis have been very clear about their intentions to block the formation of a sovereign Palestinian state - as if decades of no traction hasn't proven that already. The Palestinians don't stand a fighting chance against Israel, but they'd rather go down fighting for their dream than roll over and play dead.

i dont disagree that more palestinians are dying than israelis

israel has better firepower

[Xinroth]

I just find it funny when Palestinians are labeled "terrorists."

You people are deluded. It's a war, 'terrorism' doesn't exist here. Both sides are terrorists to the other.

[spatchcock]

I just find it funny when Palestinians are labeled "terrorists."

You people are deluded. It's a war, 'terrorism' doesn't exist here. Both sides are terrorists to the other.

contradiction of peace

palestinian terrorist lover cant even string two sentences together without disproving his own argument

[Xinroth]

contradiction of peace

palestinian terrorist lover cant even string two sentences together without disproving his own argument

That's where I was going wth it. Good job. At least half of your comprehension skills work.

Also, I'm privileged that I understand both sides of the struggle. Unlike you and your tone of ignorance. Thanks.


Edit: It's also evident that zionists and most Arabs are both intolerant pieces of chit. The moment Arabs stop clinging to a piece of land they willingly surrendered almost a 100 years ago, the sooner this fukkery ends

[spatchcock]

That's where I was going wth it. Good job. At least half of your comprehension skills work.

Also, I'm privileged that I understand both sides of the struggle. Unlike you and your tone of ignorance. Thanks.

[Xinroth]

^ lulz. Any anti-Muslim South Park skits? Definitely relevant itt

[spadelexus]

The Muslims bring it on themselves everytime! started from 1947-1948 - Israel's war of independence.

I agree with everything you wrote. I would take it even one step further and say that if there was no Arab/Muslim hostility towards Jews - there would be no IDF.

I am sure you know this, but for those that don't - Jewish defense organizations existed in Southern Syria in the early 1900's during the Ottoman period. These organizations eventually evolved into the Haganah during the british mandate after WW1, and the Haganah became the IDF.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haganah

If we look back in history we will see that what is happening today, Arabs taking to the streets with machetes, and explosives and attacking unarmed Jewish civilians, is nothing new. In fact it's exactly the same thing that the Arabs/Muslims have been doing against the Jews for centuries.

We should never forget the Hebron Massacres. Before the State of Israel...Before the first Aliyah.....Even before Zionism! Muslim/Arabs have terrorized civilian populations, and have tried to justify targeting and killing civilians waaaayyyyyy before the "West Bank" was even a term.

• 1929 Before the State of Israel existed. 69 Jews were butchered in one day. Arabs used swords, knives, guns and axes. A childs head was cut off with a sword. A 4 year old was shot and killed. A jewish girl was raped and murdered in front of her parents.

• 1834 Before Zionism.7 Jewish men were killed and 5 young Jewish girls were raped and murdered. Synagogues desecrated, and houses ransacked.

•1517 Before Zionism. Jews of Hebron were beaten, raped, and murdered. Jewish homes and business's looted and pillaged.

Arab/Muslim savagery towards Jews in Israel is not about Zionism. It's not about Israel. Quite frankly if you look deep enough it isn't even about Jews.

...It's about Arab/Muslim savagery

[squanto]

Arab/Muslim savagery towards Jews in Israel is not about Zionism. It's not about Israel. Quite frankly if you look deep enough it isn't even about Jews.

...It's about Arab/Muslim savagery

Bigotry.