Game of Thrones - HBO Season 4 Discussion Thread - No Book Discussion OR Spoilers!

[canconfirm]

hard to say without spoiling but basically read the first book if u havent

my bad on the earilier chit

well i havent read books, but i remember real early on after Joffrey got bit by Nymeria that Sansa was just so delusional and lied her way to get to Joffrey which caused a great deal for every Stark.

****ing lol at your sig. Stupid red

[HELIX35]

danaerys also torched a bunch of people to death

She burned one person, who admitted to committing murder.

please explain this "bunch of people"

[Shreddeddancer]

Mother of dragons Daniel Trevathan is the chittiest British actor to have ever graced the screen srs

I cringe every time her scene comes up and it gets worse from season to season

[davesterrr]

She burned one person, who admitted to committing murder.

please explain this "bunch of people"

She burned the slave trader of yunkaii.
Technically it was her dragon, also that magic warlord pyat pree.
Including every other slave master etc.

[Shreddeddancer]

First actor who played Daario needs his own spinoff show

Jaw of Peace

Rated X

[Bonecrshr]

Dany has certainly given orders for many to be killed. one will need to decide for themselves if that makes her an actual murderer. IMO it does.

[HELIX35]

She burned the slave trader of yunkaii.
Technically it was her dragon, also that magic warlord pyat pree.
Including every other slave master etc.

Dany has certainly given orders for many to be killed. one will need to decide for themselves if that makes her an actual murderer. IMO it does.

Facemother****ingpalm

She kills slavers who spend their time EXACTLY LIKE DROGO enslaving and torturing people

"but omg he was so alpha"


Literally her entire crusade in the story is about freeing slaves. A slave trade that the khals were a major part of

[wings_unhinged]

Dany has certainly given orders for many to be killed. one will need to decide for themselves if that makes her an actual murderer. IMO it does.

I don't know if "murderer" is the right word here. She's not an assassin or anything. But she does kill hundreds of people and does more harm than good (imo) in Slaver's Bay.

[Ice-9]

I don't know if "murderer" is the right word here. She's not an assassin or anything. But she does kill hundreds of people and does more harm than good (imo) in Slaver's Bay.

That's like saying Abraham Lincoln and the Union did more harm than good by not letting the South just do their own thing.

[davesterrr]

She kills slavers who spend their time EXACTLY LIKE DROGO enslaving and torturing people

"but omg he was so alpha"

Literally her entire crusade in the story is about freeing slaves. A slave trade that the khals were a major part of

Why are you so obsessed with people considering certain characters alpha?
Does killing innocent people make you alpha? No.
Does conquering the world makes someone alpha? Yes.

Anyways Danearies is killing bad people at the moment, however she's planning on taking the iron throne.
That means that thousands of innocent people will die simply for supporting their lords or king.
So i don't know what you're trying to say.

[Bonecrshr]

Facemother****ingpalm

She kills slavers who spend their time EXACTLY LIKE DROGO enslaving and torturing people

"but omg he was so alpha"


Literally her entire crusade in the story is about freeing slaves. A slave trade that the khals were a major part of

lol. calm down bro. never said her actions didn't appear justified and I've made no comments regarding Drogo either way.

I don't know if "murderer" is the right word here. She's not an assassin or anything. But she does kill hundreds of people and does more harm than good (imo) in Slaver's Bay.

not necessarily the word I would choose either. just saw that word above my post and thats what I went with. would killer work better?

[AzzRaze]

Has anyone else realized they changed the Kingsguard armor?? Use to look so much more badass before..

BEFORE:



NOW:

[vvvaaa]

I'm seriously shocked about the arguments about "he's not alpha because he killed people, enslaved, raped". Why are you watching the show bro? Every 3rd sex scene is a rape, there's at least 5 references to rape in every episode, lots of murders and half the cast getting killed at the last of each season. Why be bothered by that?

[Ancients]

who gives a fuk

in the end, everyone on the show is a murderer

you think dany won't be torching cities to the ground when she gets to westeros?

[NotoriousSRJ]

I have a feeling Rickon will end up being King in the North.

he is the true alpha

[Nomsayin]

I have a feeling Rickon will end up being King in the North.

he is the true alpha

No, sam is the only true alpha

[kkBRB]

lmao at people getting rustled about anything in Game Of Thrones, or anyone else's reactions to it.

It's fiction
There's a lot of rape/murder/betrayal, that's part of the magic
Everyone has their own favourite characters
It's beta to get super emotional about something fictional, or anyone else's opinion of something fictional
U mad?

[UmadcauseUbad]

He didn't have much honor when he betrayed the freys and married that foreign sloot.

This.
The Karstark leader said the day he married her is the day he lost the war.

[CKpioneer]

Robb was 16, remember how stupid you were when you were 16? imagine being a king with all the responsibilities and shiet at 16 lol

with that said, yeah he lost the war when he broke his vow to marry the Frey girl. also when he had to behead Rickard Karstark.

Tywin would have used Rickard Karstark and his armies first before beheading him after the war is won.
afterwards he would marry one of his relatives to a Karstark and say we're good right? yea we good

[iamgenus]

I'd like to hear that argument

It certainly seemed like Sansa snitched on Ned to Cersei before he was double crossed by Littlefinger.

I'd say she also gets blame for not telling the truth in the whole Joffrey vs Arya, her wolf and the butcher's kid. Hell because of it she got her own wolf killed.

...tho I didn't see why this whole "murderer" conversation started anyways. Seems pretty status quo to murder people in those stories.

What cracks me up is just how fuked up GRRM is writing all this stuff. I think half the characters are like 10-16 year olds doing all this crazy sh*t and the adults are fuking, killing and marrying those kids without a second thought.

[davesterrr]

It certainly seemed like Sansa snitched on Ned to Cersei before he was double crossed by Littlefinger.

I'd say she also gets blame for not telling the truth in the whole Joffrey vs Arya, her wolf and the butcher's kid. Hell because of it she got her own wolf killed.

...tho I didn't see why this whole "murderer" conversation started anyways. Seems pretty status quo to murder people in those stories.

What cracks me up is just how fuked up GRRM is writing all this stuff. I think half the characters are like 10-16 year olds doing all this crazy sh*t and the adults are fuking, killing and marrying those kids without a second thought.

Medieval times it was normal for 13 year olds to get married and 16 year olds to be knights.
Not his writing that's fukked up, just history itself.

[vvvaaa]

will the Starks just go out of the books considering how most of them are just dead and the ones who are alive are in Bumfook in the middle of Neverwhere, right now I don't understand why there's so much focus on Sansa who doesn't do anything at all, all that saved her so far were her looks and innocence, I feel like people keep her around because she's the only Stark that's reachable and someone hopes to marry her and have a claim on the North.

No idea why anyone would want the North, that place is chit.

[UmadcauseUbad]

Selmy > All

[CKpioneer]

I have another question...what the hell did Ned promise to his dead sister? Do we find out later in the books or will the Starks just go out of the books considering how most of them are just dead and the ones who are alive are in Bumfook in the middle of Neverwhere, right now I don't understand why there's so much focus on Sansa who doesn't do anything at all, all that saved her so far were her looks and innocence, I feel like people keep her around because she's the only Stark that's reachable and someone hopes to marry her and have a claim on the North.

No idea why anyone would want the North, that place is chit.

the North is big as fuk, almost half of the whole 7 kingsdoms. As mentioned by Tywin and discussed a few pages back, Sansa is the key to the north.
There's still a lot of starks left. Brann, Rickon, Sansa and Arya.
Benjen Stark isn't confirmed dead
there's 6 if you count Jon Snow.

for your first question. there's a theory, not a spoiler, being discussed all around the net about Ned's promise.
it seems it isn't allowed to talk about that theory in this thread though.

[davesterrr]

will the Starks just go out of the books considering how most of them are just dead and the ones who are alive are in Bumfook in the middle of Neverwhere, right now I don't understand why there's so much focus on Sansa who doesn't do anything at all, all that saved her so far were her looks and innocence, I feel like people keep her around because she's the only Stark that's reachable and someone hopes to marry her and have a claim on the North.

No idea why anyone would want the North, that place is chit.

The 7 kingdoms can fit within the north itself.
The north has a huge army.
Whoever has the support of that will become a lot more powerful.

[miscking21]

She burned one person, who admitted to committing murder.

please explain this "bunch of people"

is this ******* srs? go have a cry you fuking baby. go back to reddit, they'll love you for being a pc *******.

[davesterrr]

is this ******* srs? go have a cry you fuking baby. go back to reddit, they'll love you for being a pc *******.

Lmao he's just having a ser jorah moment.
Let him tip his fedora and call khaleesi his lady.
Nothing to see here.

[BloodFireDeath]

**** daenerys that pompous kunt. she is clearly a character that we are supposed to like. But doesn't have the qualities and character to back it up. Just like Joffrey was a character everybody is supposed to hate, but he evokes that hatred. She evokes neither sympathy nor respect or admiration.

She blackmails people with her dragons, and dragons are basically overpowered. Not to mention that getting the dragons is her only real feat so far.

I shudder at the thought that the way her story is going, she might one day just walk over to the throne blackmailing everybody in the way to surrender using her dragons. Her opponents also give up unusually easy. While on the other side, the politics and characters are incredibly complex who have to use all their wits and skills to make it through the day. They are ambiguous characters, their adversaries are ambiguous characters while Daenerys is a too-good character whose enemies are always shown as evil to get us rooting for her (start from Viserys, then the dothraki fellow who challenged khal, then the qarth wizard, then the cruel bald master of the unsullied, then mero the disrespectful pig, all unusually evil one dimensional characters). This is why her character is out of place and unbalanced for me so far srs. Maybe in the future when she faces real moral dilemmas like the rest of the characters we will see another side to her.

Not to mention her stuck up attitude that you can see in the 3rd season, the look of entitlement and arrogance she has all the time. Think about it what's she done. Isn't a skilled warrior like jaime, nor smart like tyrion, nor a commander like stannis, nor fierce and cunning like tywin. She has done nothing to deserve this place, only got butt raped by master race carl drogba and found those OP stupid dragon eggs. Not to mention her disgusting flock of white knights that rustle my jimmies like no other.

[StrngLrkrOPeace]

Lmao he's just having a ser jorah moment.
Let him tip his fedora and call khaleesi his lady.
Nothing to see here.

[miscking21]

also just realized now stannis was the absolute cause of this whole mess and destroyed his own hopes for the crown when the war would of finished pretty quickly if he just waited to kill renly. before renly's death at this point tywin already lost half of his army and was pinned down from 3 sides at harrenhall and essentially fukkkkkked. get the baratheon/loras/stark/tully alliance in there the lannister's would of been pathetically crushed and joffrey would of been removed from power. and boom the starks and tully's go back north with their vengeance, the lannisters are all but destroyed, a true baratheon sits on the throne and all is well. now stannis decides to use his shadown vagoo-baby and kill renly and so by right he's automatically the king anyway, at this point most of the tyrell's are back in highgarden and mace will pledge fealty to stannis regardless since he doesn't really have anything to gain by rebelling against stannis (other than his ******* son who gets butthurt but that really wouldn't matter to mace).


TLDR: if stannis waited a few weeks he would of been king a lot more quicker and efficiently. ya dun goofed stannis but i still love you (slight homo)