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[DaddyJax]

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What the f'ck is wrong with me, I can't find it in me to go to the church, is there something wrong with me? It is like a battle in my head to go and not to go...so far the not to go has won...

Maybe you could look into yourself for answers and find out what you need in your life to be happy and successful. There are plenty of people with advice or ears and experiences and different points of view to look to for help, advice or inspiration or the swift kick in the ass you need from time to time. I am sure you have been there for others in the past and offered solid, real advice or lent a hand. That's how we grow and evolve is to be there for each other.

Real talk

[Old-Time-Lifter]

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What the f'ck is wrong with me, I can't find it in me to go to the church, is there something wrong with me? It is like a battle in my head to go and not to go...so far the not to go has won...

John if I remember right you're Catholic right???

Why not go to a Christmas Eve service, perhaps at a church you don't regularly attend.

One of my favorite Christmas traditions that our family does is going to multiple Christmas Eve services. We will generally attend three separate services the last being the midnight Mass at the Catholic Cathedral here. This year I'm planning on attending a Methodist, Lutheran and Catholic services. We're Baptist and we're not planning on taking in a Baptist service this year. I'm a believer in experiencing multiple traditions, and I'll confess that one of the highlights of my entire year is attending midnight Mass on Christmas Eve. For whatever reason I feel the closest to the Almighty that I feel for the entire year during that service.

[DaddyJax]

I have felt this many times and for me it came down to pride. I felt that somehow I shouldn't need to call on help, like I should somehow get through my problems on my own, after all I created them.

The thing that helps me at these times is to look at my kids. I want them to come to me when they need me. I don't think less of them when they do, in fact I think they are strong for realizing they need help and being humble enough to seek it.

Glad to hear that your kids come to you for help, as do mine.

[morninglory81]

Glad to hear that your kids come to you for help, as do mine.

Kids amaze me! When young they fail sooo many times before they perfect something as small as rolling over. They don't berate themselves for their failures but instead learn from them. They don't put a number on how many times they will try but instead try till they succeed. If I could aproch life's challenges with the focus and persistence of a child there is nothing I couldn't do.

[Phattso]

Thanks man, I am so f'cking pissed at myself that I could not do it, I am not sure why. It is like I am torn between two thoughts.

I am even finding it difficult to pray, I do it, but I am not feeling it,, not the way I used to....

Then, start at home. You can pray at home. God doesn't care where you pray. When that feels more comfortable to you, then go to church. OTL's suggestion is a great one when you are ready.

[justboo2u]

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What the f'ck is wrong with me, I can't find it in me to go to the church, is there something wrong with me? It is like a battle in my head to go and not to go...so far the not to go has won...

NOT gonna attempt to 2nd guess the reason... just say that WHEN you want to, you WILL. Till then, dont 'beat yourself up' about it.

tho,

That WOULD be one EPIC battle!

[...Kennedy]

Real Talk!

When it comes to religion or sexual orientation, more people need to understand exactly what "tolerance" means.

Tolerance doen't mean that others are required to respect or even accept your particular beliefs or lifestyle. They just have to put up with it's existence.

This is similar to free speech. You can say what you want, or worship who you want, or f()ck who you want- but there are consequences to doing so, and you might not always like how others react to your choices.

[ArchAngel'73]

I'm always amazed that folks put limits on God's Grace. I firmly believe that God practices infinite and absolute Grace.

I'm always amazed that folks forget God's Wrath.
This is after all the same God that had his people destroy entire Nations down to the last man, woman, and child.
The same God that destroys cities with less than the blink of an eye.
The same God that waged a war in Heaven against some of HIS own Angels because HE gave humankind a soul.

Despite HIM giving us a break in the N.T many of these new "Hippie Religions" focus on the grace and forgiveness of the sinners.

Well...the God I believe in is capable of infinite passion, wisdom, grace, cruelty, and wrath.
It would be wise not to piss HIM off because no one on this Earth can really claim to know God.
We assume and hope.

I both fear and love my God.

[bodyhard]

John if I remember right you're Catholic right???

Why not go to a Christmas Eve service, perhaps at a church you don't regularly attend.

One of my favorite Christmas traditions that our family does is going to multiple Christmas Eve services. We will generally attend three separate services the last being the midnight Mass at the Catholic Cathedral here. This year I'm planning on attending a Methodist, Lutheran and Catholic services. We're Baptist and we're not planning on taking in a Baptist service this year. I'm a believer in experiencing multiple traditions, and I'll confess that one of the highlights of my entire year is attending midnight Mass on Christmas Eve. For whatever reason I feel the closest to the Almighty that I feel for the entire year during that service.

Yes I am Catholic, although I don't attend church on Sundays, hell I've been to church maybe 15 times in my entire life. I have always just prayed to God on my own and I have always felt his presence. For some reason I am not feeling that right now and that is bothering me deeply, like I am losing control.

I will continue to try and pray and feel his presence, but I am not going to lie, I have not been feeling it lately no matter how much I try and that is why I wanted to go to church and try and yet, I could not even do that tonight.

[morninglory81]

Real Talk!

When it comes to religion or sexual orientation, more people need to understand exactly what "tolerance" means.

Tolerance doen't mean that others are required to respect or even accept your particular beliefs or lifestyle. They just have to put up with it's existence.

This is similiar to free speech. You can say what you want, or worship who you want, or f()ck who you want- but there are consequences to doing so, and you might not always like how others react to your choices.

To tolerance for people's reaction to your choices. C[_]

[bodyhard]

Sorry folks, derailed my own thread, did not mean to bog you guys down with what I was/am going through right now, my bad.

[Brackneyc]

Real Talk!

When it comes to religion or sexual orientation, more people need to understand exactly what "tolerance" means.

Tolerance doen't mean that others are required to respect or even accept your particular beliefs or lifestyle. They just have to put up with it's existence.

This is similiar to free speech. You can say what you want, or worship who you want, or f()ck who you want- but there are consequences to doing so, and you might not always like how others react to your choices.

Define these "consequences."

[justboo2u]

He's saying (if I may be so bold as to presume) that Matthew Shepard deserved the brutal beating/murder he got because of his 'lifestyle'.



... or am I wrong?

[steffo99]

Sorry folks, derailed my own thread, did not mean to bog you guys down with what I was/am going through right now, my bad.

Don't worry about that. We all support each other here, I hope.
When you feel a bit better we want more uploads like this though

[justboo2u]

Don't worry about that. We all support each other here, I hope.
When you feel a bit better we want more uploads like this though

Nope... Im here for the buffet.

[BankWalker]

Real talk off the sexual and religion topics...

What gets under my skin on this website is lardasses with high rep counts... and ppl with no avi dishing out advice. If your 50 lbs too damn fat... get your ass off the internet and move!

[...Kennedy]

Define these "consequences."

He's saying (if I may be so bold as to presume) that Matthew Shepard deserved the brutal beating/murder he got because of his 'lifestyle'.



... or am I wrong?

My bad for not being more clear about that. Reactions/consequences I was referring to would be social in nature, as opposed to anything violent or illegal.

[bodyhard]

NOT gonna attempt to 2nd guess the reason... just say that WHEN you want to, you WILL. Till then, dont 'beat yourself up' about it.

tho,

That WOULD be one EPIC battle!

LOL, I just imagine myself kicking my own ass like in Liar Liar

Don't worry about that. We all support each other here, I hope.
When you feel a bit better we want more uploads like this though

Good times man good times and that was with the OV35 folks from here!

[Brackneyc]

My bad for not being more clear about that. Reactions/consequences I was referring to would be social in nature, as opposed to anything violent or illegal.

Would the Westboro Baptist church be involved?

[cowboybiker]

What gets under my skin on this website is lardasses with high rep counts...

I feel the need to go on a cut.

[justboo2u]

Real talk off the sexual and religion topics...

What gets under my skin on this website is lardasses with high rep counts... and ppl with no avi dishing out advice. If your 50 lbs too damn fat... get your ass off the internet and move!

Okay....

[...Kennedy]

Would the Westboro Baptist church be involved?

Not sure what you mean but that reminds me of a heart-warming anecdote about a recent funeral of a military brother that the WBC made a big stink about picketing. About a thousand bikers and vets held their own little rally. A good example of tolerance v. acceptance.

[tomnationwide]

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I've been stressed out for personal reasons at home and I need to find God again, I have to start praying, hopefully my life will move in the right direction once again.

Choose Yahweh. He works out.

[tomnationwide]

This thread is pointless.

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As pointless as you posting in it? Totally.

[Brackneyc]

Not sure what you mean but that reminds me of a heart-warming anecdote about a recent funeral of a military brother that the WBC made a big stink about picketing. About a thousand bikers and vets held their own little rally. A good example of tolerance v. acceptance.

The "church" would protest specific funerals, resulting in a non-violent and legal form of "consequences" for specific actions.

[tomnationwide]

Sorry folks, derailed my own thread, did not mean to bog you guys down with what I was/am going through right now, my bad.

If you feel uncomfortable in a church you're going to the wrong church and visiting the wrong belief system.

I said **** Christianity earlier but the truth is I go to a Lutheran Church, sometimes even on Saturday nights. For the record I usually sit there and listen to Trivium on a headset while my wife prays.

My wife understands that I do not believe in the church. She understands that I believe Jesus was a charlatan. She also understands that the God I believe in does still fit. The problem I have and have always had is that the books are written by sinful men to subjugate other men.

The New Testament was created by Bishops who purposely left out things that provided an equal footing for women. IT added things to continue subverting homosexuality when it was apparent that Jesus did not oppose it.

Things done by men are done for bad reasons.

[7Seconds]

I look at it this way.

I CHOOSE to believe in 'God' because science has not explained the existence of 'conciousness' to my satisfaction. I do NOT believe morality and religion are codependent. Just the opposite... much atrocity has been committed in the name of 'religions'... NOR do I believe it is 'completely' learned, as most of us were 'innately' nice to our siblings long before we were told to be...
So... from where else comes 'cogito ergo sum', I think, therefore I AM?

I certainly have no answer to that.

Just my opinion(s) here, folks!

Take virtually any aspect of our natural world that we don't fully understand and you'll find someone claiming the existence of God is responsible. But in my view the fact that we do not know how something works does not mean that we never will and it certainly does not mean that there is no natural explanation.

[Old-Time-Lifter]

If you feel uncomfortable in a church you're going to the wrong church and visiting the wrong belief system.

I said **** Christianity earlier but the truth is I go to a Lutheran Church, sometimes even on Saturday nights. For the record I usually sit there and listen to Trivium on a headset while my wife prays.

My wife understands that I do not believe in the church. She understands that I believe Jesus was a charlatan. She also understands that the God I believe in does still fit. The problem I have and have always had is that the books are written by sinful men to subjugate other men.

The New Testament was created by Bishops who purposely left out things that provided an equal footing for women. IT added things to continue subverting homosexuality when it was apparent that Jesus did not oppose it.

Things done by men are done for bad reasons.

You really need to learn more about Christ and the Bible because I'm sorry to say you're badly informed on several points. Though I will admit some of your points are partially correct.

If you like I'd be happy to suggest a number of books. You could start with any of a number of books by either Borg or Crossan.

[GKC45]

The Borg book will assimilate you into Christianity.

[Brackneyc]

Things done by men are done for bad reasons.

In some cases.