Phil Heath and my realisation

[patbanya]

Phil wont be dethroned by anyone currently in he IFBB. It would take a Colemanesque mystery man coming from outside of the ifbb to come in and dethrone Phil. Anyone you want to put side by side with Phil will get blown away.

sometimes it's not about how big you are and how conditioned you are, it's about having the ability to retract all eyes from anyone else so that all eyes focus on you. Phil has too many dimensions and contours for eyes to gaze away from him. There is too much richness in Phil's physique. You have so many qualities to look at.


Phil isnt that big. Hes the anti-Cutler. Hes like Dexter, they don't weigh much but they sure as hell take up alot of room when they get pumped. Anyone you put up against Phil will be considered blocky if he can match Phil's size, anyone you put up against Phil with elegant lines and "symmetry" will be considered too small. Phil is a once in a generation combination of ruthlessly swollen muscle and elegantly x-framed, damned near out of this world combo.

Who is gonna match the most developed and 3-d bicep brachialis that Phil trademarks? Whos gonna match the Colemanesque cables of power back muscle protruding out of his dominant glutes and oversized traps? Whos gonna match Phil's new found neck girth? Whos gonna match those absurdly oversized arms? Whos gonna show such a Coermieresque yoke at 240 lbs?

Good post. Even though it's a bit much, I share many of the same sentiments. Phil's a great champion, and he's going to be very hard to beat.

Also, I thought your post Olympia analysis was very entertaining. I don't know what inspires you, aside from the physiques onstage, but keep it up.

Phil's neck, forearms and trap thickness were just overwhelming his opponent Kai Greene. A keen observation shows that Phil prevailed in the midst of an epicly aggressive opposition in a pivotal point of a big contest. Phil stood his ground and took Kai's biggest punch and the world watched Kai's pump slowly dissipate in the waining moments before the winner was announced. In those final moments, Phil seemed to grow in height, his forearms became absolutely dominant and Kai seemed to be quickly losing his pump and his forearms began looking wormish...in the presence of an EAGLE

[asbrus]

yeah but do you really thing hes not going to work his ass off now to bring some major improvements? He now clearly feels threatened by kai (as he should).

kai is the m0st unreliable bber ever. He sh0ws up in great shape 0nce in a blue m00n and then the next 0lympia sh0ws up in terrible 0r medi0c0re c0nditi0n. It was his first 0lmypia where he sh0wed up in shape.

[BOUNTYHUNTERMK2]

Phil will probably be like Dexter, making slow but steady improvements over the years. I don't mean that in any negative way either, he's unbeatable now and will probably continue to be so. For the sake of competitiveness I hope Kai keeps on pushing him hard over the next few years though!

[spamy]

This we were so spoiled with Coleman and hell even with Cutler that as amazing as Kai and Phil looked... it just didnt feel like the Olympia to me without Jay or Ronnie... guess that will just take a little getting used to.

I'm waiting for the 5th era of dominance of this sport, until now only Arnold, Haney, Dorian and Ronnie made it. If a guy will be similar to a 2000-2001 Ronnie at ~265, (nevermind a 300 lbs monster), he'll be the next king. Someone like this:

[Ehudd]

I'm waiting for the 5th era of dominance of this sport, until now only Arnold, Haney, Dorian and Ronnie made it. If a guy will be similar to a 2000-2001 Ronnie at ~265, (nevermind a 300 lbs monster), he'll be the next king. Someone like this:

Jesus Christ...

[GBLynden]

I don't know guys. Phil will only get better with time and will even get better at getting into shape for a show as time goes on. I don't think anyone besides Kai has a realistic shot at taking Phil out for at least another year.

[Fairfax]

I'm sure Phil will win 1 or 2 more but otherwise I agree with OP. I don't personally like long reigns in something as subjective as bb'ing anyway. Sooner or later it just seems to end up in unfair advantage for title-holders and undeserved wins.

[KevinSorbo]

Yeah you can.
his job is building his body.
With the access to the kind of gear he has...he is EXPECTED to be bigger.
Not a little bigger either.
What your saying works in theory though--and I kinda agree with you--but at the level these guys compete at it's not unexpected for them to grow until there is no physical way for them to get any bigger.
IF that level exists
In my opinion anyway.

Yes expected to be bigger..but not LEAPS AND BOUNDS bigger.. You need to understand in most cases a bodybuilder at Phil's level of development is not going to add 30 pounds from now to next year.

[Canuck77]

Being Mr. O isn't just about being better than yourself from the year prior, it's about being better than your competition.

You're basically saying that if he isn't improved next year, he should lose, without taking into consideration the competitors he will be facing.

Thing is, you got rookie's like Rhoden who placed 3rd and Evan who placed 8th in their first O. These guys are young and will definitely improve over the next few years. Can Phil improve more? Who know's...maybe he can too.

[Big Slim DaDDy]

Yeah you can.
his job is building his body.
With the access to the kind of gear he has...he is EXPECTED to be bigger.
Not a little bigger either.
What your saying works in theory though--and I kinda agree with you--but at the level these guys compete at it's not unexpected for them to grow until there is no physical way for them to get any bigger.
IF that level exists
In my opinion anyway.

No you can't. If he could make leaps and bounds in size he would. They all would. But they don't. So stfu.

[Big Slim DaDDy]

Thing is, you got rookie's like Rhoden who placed 3rd and Evan who placed 8th in their first O. These guys are young and will definitely improve over the next few years. Can Phil improve more? Who know's...maybe he can too.

Rhoden competed last year and placed 11th.

[Big Slim DaDDy]

Food for thought about this "If he doesnt improve he should lose" BS. If Ronnie Coleman brought his 1998 physique to every single one of his Mr.Olympias that he competed in would he have lost?

[Deano87]

kai is the m0st unreliable bber ever. He sh0ws up in great shape 0nce in a blue m00n and then the next 0lympia sh0ws up in terrible 0r medi0c0re c0nditi0n. It was his first 0lmypia where he sh0wed up in shape.

Disagree,
I think Farah's cleaned him up. His last 3 showings (2011 NY Pro, 2011 Sheru and 2012 Olympia) have arguably been Kai's best showings.

[stealth_swimmer]

He was noticeably bigger/thicker than last year..you cant expect him to make leaps and bounds every year. As long as he is better than the other competitors he will/should win.

Agreed with all of this post.

[boyoboyo]

He was noticeably bigger/thicker than last year..you cant expect him to make leaps and bounds every year. As long as he is better than the other competitors he will/should win.

not really, he looked very similar to last year...thats not a knock on him either, i just dont see any extra size.

[pMbeast]

He brought the same as last year but without the conditioning..

Please excuse my ignorance but I've been wondering something and figured this would be an appropriate time to ask since you mentioned his conditioning.

1) What are you referring to when you say his conditioning? How lean and dry he is?
2) What do you guys think Phil and Kai's bf% was during the Olympia?

Thank you!

[Deano87]

Please excuse my ignorance but I've been wondering something and figured this would be an appropriate time to ask since you mentioned his conditioning.

1) What are you referring to when you say his conditioning? How lean and dry he is? Basically yes. low bodyfat + dehydrated to give that paper thin skin look and better vascularity and seperation
2) What do you guys think Phil and Kai's bf% was during the Olympia? I'm no expert, but anywhere between 3-5% I'd say.

Thank you!

As above

[rocco421]

i love kai but its obvious the judges wont let him win unless phil comes in pretty much awful shape. the only guy on that stage with the genetics to beat phil is bayeke...his muscle are almost as full and hes got a much better frame...such a shame he cant get conditioned

[MyronLatsBrah]

The only person who doesn't have any flaws right now is Shawn Rhoden.

Here's some flaws for the people who have a shot at winning the O.

Phil (yes i know he is 2x mr.O): narrow structure, limited when it comes to putting on size compared to wider people (face it, it's true)

Kai: his traps/upper back just won't grow

Wolf: his hammies, calfs, and conditioning is always bad

Roelly: his conditioning is usually off, loses muscle mass etc... can't pose that well

Branch: we all know his flaws

Evan: his chest won't grow, his arm separation isn't great

Ben P: his back and arms are very weak and don't seem to be improving THAT fast

Beyeke: he doesn't know/can't get into contest condition

Victor: his conditioning isn't great, his quads aren't great due to his injury, and now his arm's broken

Jay: lettuce be real tea, he's not competing again.


BUT

there's SHAWN RHODEN and Cedric MacMillan, who are virtually flawless, and both of them are making great improvements every year.

so if anyone is gonna dethrone Phil, it will be either of them, not anybody else.

[featureless]

The only person who doesn't have any flaws right now is Shawn Rhoden.

Here's some flaws for the people who have a shot at winning the O.

Phil (yes i know he is 2x mr.O): narrow structure, limited when it comes to putting on size compared to wider people (face it, it's true)

Kai: his traps/upper back just won't grow

Wolf: his hammies, calfs, and conditioning is always bad

Roelly: his conditioning is usually off, loses muscle mass etc... can't pose that well

Branch: we all know his flaws

Evan: his chest won't grow, his arm separation isn't great

Ben P: his back and arms are very weak and don't seem to be improving THAT fast

Beyeke: he doesn't know/can't get into contest condition

Victor: his conditioning isn't great, his quads aren't great due to his injury, and now his arm's broken

Jay: lettuce be real tea, he's not competing again.


BUT

there's SHAWN RHODEN and Cedric MacMillan, who are virtually flawless, and both of them are making great improvements every year.

so if anyone is gonna dethrone Phil, it will be either of them, not anybody else.

This is a very good and fair analysis. However, you also got to look at strengths and no one can match phil's muscle pop and separation atm so for ced or rhoden to beat him they need to find their own strength imo. In Ced's case I believe that needs to be mass and at the rate he is gaining it, could take a while.

[MyronLatsBrah]

This is a very good and fair analysis. However, you also got to look at strengths and no one can match phil's muscle pop and separation atm so for ced or rhoden to beat him they need to find their own strength imo. In Ced's case I believe that needs to be mass and at the rate he is gaining it, could take a while.

Yeah that's true, Phil's roundness and pop is unique but it's possible to overcome it by being bigger and more conditioned, which Ced and Rhoden are capable of. I think if Ced dedicated 1-2 whole years to bodybuilding he could easily out mass Phil Heath. Same thing goes for Rhoden.

[featureless]

Yeah that's true, Phil's roundness and pop is unique but it's possible to overcome it by being bigger and more conditioned, which Ced and Rhoden are capable of. I think if Ced dedicated 1-2 whole years to bodybuilding he could easily out mass Phil Heath. Same thing goes for Rhoden.

I agree. Cedric is the most exciting prospect in bodybuilding atm for me. He needs mass. Everything else is there. The sky is the limit. If he gains that mass and brings the conditioning he will be unbeatable. Mark my words.