Hey guys. Just wanted to express my thoughts and see how you guys felt.
First off, there's been a lot of talk about whether simple carbs or complex carbs should be eaten. My answer to this is always:
"All carbs, complex or simple, ultimately get turned into glucose. And glucose is ultimately used for muscle/liver glycogen stores first, then stored as fat."
I don't carb up, but i've noticed that individuals who carb up using "dirty" carbs (usually referring to simple carbs) actually have felt better and were relieved of any bloating and discomfort faster. Looking back at the quote I usually ask everyone, why are simple carbs considered "dirty carbs". They all turn into glucose in the end. The only difference is that complex carbs contain fiber and other micro nutrients. Since we are using carbs for a glycogen replenish, why go with a slow-digesting carb that will take another day or two to digest when we are out of the carb up period? We are getting fiber and other nutrients from other sources on this diet... so why are you guys choosing complex over simple most the time?
EDIT: I'm basically trying to state that simple carbs aren't really "dirty" carbs. And those who call them "dirty", why do you?
From my understanding, simple carbs will digest and be stored in muscle glycogen fast enough to prevent the bloating/discomfort you have the following day or two. I also think some complex carbs won't cause this, but most carbs should come from simple.
Do you agree or am I missing something?
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Thread: Complex vs Simple Carbs
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03-29-2011, 08:22 AM #1
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Complex vs Simple Carbs
Last edited by rob2093124; 03-29-2011 at 08:53 AM.
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03-29-2011, 08:30 AM #2
that's a good question and i think it's related to the "whoosh" which a lot of people experience but i don't think anyone has figured out why it happens yet.... but there is a VERY detailed thread here about water content and fat loss http://bit.ly/igKNiq
and here's some info on the "whoosh" (don't be fooled by the ridiculous name) http://bit.ly/lJZwswww.za-zi.com
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03-29-2011, 08:34 AM #3
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03-29-2011, 08:45 AM #4
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03-29-2011, 08:52 AM #5
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03-29-2011, 09:42 AM #6
Yea, I do my carb ups with whatever carbs I'm in the mood for. I tend to have the same view on carbs...a carb is a carb is a carb. Like you said, they are all going to refill glycogen. All of my carb ups have been mostly simple carbs and I don't have many problems with uncomfortable bloating. I mean, some bloating is to be expected with the increased water retention and the sheer number of carbs your eating, but that feeling goes away in an hour or so and never lasts days like some accounts I've heard.
Anyways, that's my 2 cents on carb ups.
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03-29-2011, 10:50 AM #7
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03-29-2011, 12:07 PM #8
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03-29-2011, 03:59 PM #9
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03-29-2011, 05:28 PM #10
why in the world do you not carb up? Do you lift? Are you trying to lose your muscle mass?
Basically, not carbing up only makes sense for the morbidly obese and the extremely sedentary. If whether you are trying to bulk or cut, assuming you lift and are not morbidly obese, it is a hormonal reset that plays to your advantage. Leptin, test, gh, igf, and glycogen are all restored to higher levels after the refeed. All of which plays towards your goals whether they are getting bigger or leaner or both. I have been doing this diet for over 10 years, if there is anything I can tell you I know for certain it is carb ups are a good thing. I used to push my carb-up days further and further apart.. 21 days or even a month or more. Weight loss would stall, lifts would suffer, started moving them to 14 days.. got better.. eventually started going with 7 - 10 days.. got even better... and yes I do mean if you are cutting you will lose more weight carbing up 3-4 times per month than 1 time, this is assuming your carb-up is not completely ridiculous or extended. Mine are usually ridiculous but for a very short timeframe.
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03-29-2011, 06:54 PM #11
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03-29-2011, 08:07 PM #12
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03-29-2011, 09:16 PM #13
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03-29-2011, 09:51 PM #14
This may be way off topic or maybe interesting. But I've wondered about the same thing many times. Recently, I ran across a discussion that started off as complex vs simple carbs, on carb up day, debate (anabolicminds I think). One of the guys who seemed quite knowledgeable, stated that the type of carb a person should consume depended on if they were a fast oxidizer, slow oxidizer or balanced. He went on to say that a person's success on keto may depend on this factor. So, out of curiosity, I've been trying to figure this out. I don't have enough posts to link so I'll pm an article to you for your opinion.
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03-30-2011, 04:16 AM #15
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03-30-2011, 07:04 AM #17
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03-30-2011, 02:23 PM #18
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03-30-2011, 03:10 PM #19
I thought you didn't b/c you said you didn't do carb-ups.. sometimes I forget TKD people even exist... I only tried it for about a week, it kind of ****s with my head like.. okay I'm going to eat carbs now.. and now.. and then a few hours later back to fats.. I never really gave it a fair chance to make its case, but ckd has always kicked ass imo.
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04-29-2011, 07:44 AM #20
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04-29-2011, 08:25 AM #25
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should be fine as long as you regulate your carbups. if you take a little bit of carbs PWO, you still may need a carbup at some point.
otherwise, if you take a good amount say 70-90g PWO, its a TKD. I take about 60g dextrose after workouts and intensity is sustained with no carb ups. occasionally i treat myself to a carb meal to restore more glycogen, just to make sure.
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04-29-2011, 08:27 AM #26
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04-29-2011, 08:51 AM #27
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I was adding about 10-15 g of Vitarago after my workouts during my recomp/bulk, but I stopped this week when I started my cut... but my workout yesterday, which was the same as my workout monday, was less intense, so I'm wondering what I can do to sustain better intensity.
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?p=608052853&posted=1#post608052853
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04-29-2011, 08:55 AM #28
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04-29-2011, 09:02 AM #30
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i agree that simple and complex both end up doing the same thing in the end, so it doesn't matter. but as far as comfortability, when i stuck to high GI, i felt better, faster. i'm basing this off my experience and the experience of many other on a keto diet.
both will end up restoring glycogen, then the excess will be used as fuel.
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