Hey guys!
I'm not sure what happened to BB2K's original review thread (that was a million pages long), but I thought I'd repost my stack here so if you're ever curious about the product, you can find it.
I started taking Ejaculoid last year to improve my libido, however since my wife's miscarriage in October 2008, I've now created a stack based on various bodybuilding supplements (including Ejaculoid, Maca & Horny Goat Weed) to improve semen volume, sperm motility, the end result being improved chance of pregnancy once we're ready to conceive again.
I found that the new version of Ejaculoid (red/white capsules) works better than the older version (blue capsules - the capsules are larger and you don't have to take as many per day to see results). The stack I created includes a few other bodybuilding supplements as well as celery and of course, plenty of water.
In my original stack i included L-Arginine and Branch Chain Amino Acids (BCAAs) separately, but in this revised version, I replaced the L-Arginine and BCAAs with the Liquid Amino 2222 because the serving sizes of those amino acids are more in the ON Liquid Amino 2222 than was in my original stack.Ejaculoid Stack
Morning:
1 Ejaculoid capsule (for libido/semen volume)
1 Ogoplex capsule (for prostate health/ejaculatory strength/semen volume) only one capsule per day
3 Lecithin gel capsules (for semen quality/volume)
1 ZMA (Zinc Monomethionine Aspartate) capsule (for sperm health/motility/volume)
4 tablespoons (52 ml) of ON Liquid Amino 2222 (for overall semen quality, stronger erections)
2 stalks of celery (110 grams) (for semen volume)
20 ounces of water (for semen volume)
Evening:
1 Ejaculoid capsule (for libido/semen volume) - Only take this dose if you're going to have sex within the hour. The Yohimbe may keep you awake all night and you'll be hornier due to additional Maca in your system. I've taken the 2nd dose of the new formulation and I haven't had any adverse effects, other than the horniness and sleep issues.
3 Lecithin gel capsules (for semen quality/volume)
1 ZMA (Zinc Monomethionine Aspartate) capsule (for sperm health/motility/volume)
4 tablespoons (52 ml) of ON Liquid Amino 2222 (for overall semen quality, stronger erections)
2 stalks of celery (110 grams) (for semen volume)
20 ounces of water (for semen volume)
And don't take ZMA with dairy products as calcium blocks the absorption of Zinc.
Make sure you drink 15-20 ounces of water every 2-3 hours. You'll perform better when you're well hydrated.
Since I've added one Ogoplex capsule per day, I've noticed an improvement in how intense my contractions are, and the amount of fluid I produce. Ogoplex has Saw Palmetto and Swedish Flower Pollen which is said to improve prostate health. Since the prostate produces one of the 3 components of semen, if your prostate is healthy, it should not only produce fluid properly, but contract forcefully when needed.
If you're not able to get Ejaculoid where you live due to restrictions on Yohimbe containing products (or you don't like the headache effects you get from Yohimbe), here's an alternate stack that contains Maca and HGW (Horny Goat Weed):
I modified my stack when I ran out of Ejaculoid, so I replaced Ejaculoid (which contains Yohimbe) with 3000-6000 mg of Maca and I included 1 capsule of horny goat weed just before bed. I haven't tried the HGW yet myself, but I'm going to order some and I'll swap out the Ejaculoid for that and see how it I do. You should only need one per day and it'll bump your libido significantly. NOW's HGW has 150 mg of Maca in it, so that will add a little to your daily Maca intake, but nothing outrageous. If you find your libido jumps too high in the evening, giving you 'wet dreams' or boners that keep you awake at night, switch your dose to the morning.Non-Ejaculoid Stack (includes Maca & HGW separately)
Morning:
1 scoop (3000 mg) of Maca (for semen volume)
1 Ogoplex capsule (for prostate health/ejaculatory strength/semen volume) only one capsule per day
3 Lecithin gel capsules (for semen quality/volume)
1 ZMA (Zinc Monomethionine Aspartate) capsule (for sperm health/motility/volume)
4 tablespoons (52 ml) of ON Liquid Amino 2222 (for overall semen quality, stronger erections)
2 stalks of celery (110 grams) (for semen volume)
20 ounces of water (for semen volume)
Evening:
1 scoop (3000 mg) of Maca (for semen volume) optional
1 capsule (750 mg) of Horny Goat Weed (for libido/semen volume)
3 Lecithin gel capsules (for semen quality/volume)
2 ZMA (Zinc Monomethionine Aspartate) capsule (for sperm health/motility/volume and better sleep)
4 tablespoons (52 ml) of ON Liquid Amino 2222 (for overall semen quality, stronger erections)
2 stalks of celery (110 grams) (for semen volume)
20 ounces of water (for semen volume)
Maca apparently is the "magic" ingredient in Ejaculoid that kick starts everything. A clinical study showed that in 9 men given 1500-3000 mg of Maca per day for 4 months showed an improvement in semen volume and sperm motility during the time of the study:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11753476
I can definitely attest to that. My volume since I've been taking Ejaculoid went from 2-3 ml (average), to 5-7 ml (consistently) over a period of 2 weeks. Then once I put together my stack, my volume increased to 10+ ml (particularly on days when I was exceptionally aroused). Your experiences my vary depending on your age and the health of your reproductive system.
Anywho, in closing, here are the 3 glands that help make everything possible:
prostate: which produces a thin, milky, alkaline fluid that helps the sperm survive when exposed to the acidic lining of the vagina and uterus.
seminal vesicles: which produce a fructose-rich fluid which provides nourishment for the sperm cells as well as prostaglandins (unsaturated fatty acids used for hormonal actions).
bulbouretheral gland (Cowper's gland): a pea-shaped gland at the base of the penis which produces pre-ejaculate, a clear fluid that lubricates the urethra (the tube that runs through the penis) so the semen can travel more easily.
All the above supplements play some role in improving the health and performance of each of the 3 glands mentioned above. For more information on how our body works, check out this link at Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male_Reproductive_System
Hope this helps. Also make sure you're taking a multivitamin/multimineral each day, exercising consistently and eating properly. All those things in combination should improve your experiences considerably within 2-4 weeks.
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06-11-2009, 03:33 AM #1
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Maca & Ejaculoid "Semen Volumizer" Review
Last edited by Abdominator; 06-11-2009 at 03:49 AM.
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In my experience, it has worked very well. Some posters in the long-lost thread often complained about the Yohimbe in Ejaculoid and the side affects. I have hypertension and take medication for it and I have experienced no ill effects from taking Ejaculoid. While I'm no doctor and offer no medical advice, if you don't go overboard (some stated they were taking 3 and 4 a day - a bit overboard!) and follow directions, I would think you should be okay. But then again, this isn't for everybody; your body's chemical makeup has a lot to do with the results you obtain.
Here's my current stack (I've modified it since my first post since starting my second cycle):
Morning
1 Ejaculoid capsule
1 Ogoplex capsule
1 Lecithin (1200 mg)
Mid-day
1 Lecithin (1200 mg)
2 Maca capsules (525 mg - Nature's Way brand)
Evening
1 Ejaculoid capsule
1 Ogoplex capsule
1 Maca capsule (525 mg - Nature's Way brand)
1 Tribuloid capsule
When I started, I was taking 6 Lecithin capsules a day and my loads were extremely thick. When I started my second cycle, I cut this down to 3 and I have just recently over the past few days cut it back to just 2 a day.
I have also changed the time of day I take the Tribuloid. While it gives me a nice boost during the day, I've found that it really invigorates me for the 'evening's activities' and it also carries over into the morning when my lady wakes up feeling frisky. So depending on what's going on, I will take around lunch time or dinner time.
As always, I drink as much water and Gatorade as I can stand throughout the day and I also take other supplements as well (Lysine, Vitamin C, Centrum multi-vitamin). I am also on a 'modified' P90X workout program (instead of losing weight, I'm trying to gain).
While I have always been a bit on the 'hi-volume' side anyway, Ejaculoid has worked wonders for me. And with the addition of Ogoplex and the changes I've made since my first cycle, I think I have found my groove. Consistent volume amounts in the 7-9+ ml range and the Ogoplex has definitely enhanced my orgasms.
While everyone won't receive the same results, give it a try. Take your time and find a stack mix that works for you - you really have nothing to lose.
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06-11-2009, 09:20 AM #5
damnit why was the old one deleted??! in any case thanks for making a new one abdom! will check in from time to time.
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mods or someone must be deleting stuff like crazy b/c my post count should be at like 5050...its been up to 5010 twice and over 5k once, and somehow im back down to 4989 right now yet again lol. not to mention my vanishing reps!!
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06-12-2009, 03:07 AM #11
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Bodybuilding.com sells everything (except the celery and water), and the order ships quickly. Here's the price breakdown, without shipping/handling/tax:
Ejaculoid = $ 17.89
Ogoplex = $23.95
Optimum ZMA = $12.99
NOW Lecithin Capsules = $13.89
Optimum Liquid Amino 2222 = $17.99
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Twinlab Liquid Amino Fuel = $16.99
LifeFlo Maca Gold (16 oz.) = $16.99
NOW Horny Goat Weed Extract = $11.99
Celery and water are the cheapest and you can get those anywhere.
The Ogoplex will last you a month (if you take one capsule once per day), and Ejaculoid will last you a little over 2 months if you take it "only as needed" and supplement on your "days off" with 1500-3200 mg of Maca. A 16 oz container of LifeFlo Maca Gold has 72 servings (each serving equalling 6200 mg). The scoop is really tiny, and the recommended serving size per day on the container is 2 scoops. So if you follow the clinical study I mentioned above, they only gave their test subjects 1500-3200 mg of Maca per day and their semen volume increase (as did their sperm count and sperm motility). At 6200 mg per day, I've seen an improvement in just 2 weeks. It's actually kind of scary how much fluid you produce, particularly if you haven't had sex in a few days. Anything over 10 ml is very messy, so if you decide to try the stack, make sure you keep a towel handy. The changes won't happen overnight, but if you stay consistent, you'll see a marked improvement within a week or so.
Hehehe... speaking from personal experience, my wife was quite impressed. The first experience caught us both off guard. Not to go into too much detail, but oral gets very interesting when you're taking Ejaculoid. It made me feel like a porn star.
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06-14-2009, 11:02 AM #15
Damn thats an excessive stack.... Ive always figured when Im looking to get my lady pregnant I plan to be off all supplements (other then the basics) for at least a month for the sake of my childs health... is my logic flawed here?
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06-14-2009, 11:36 AM #16
vasectomy's only block the flow of sperm, not the semen, if i recall correctly...and your loads are comprised of only about 5% sperm, the rest being semen and glandular secretions...a stack like this would still increase the size of your loads, you just wouldnt benefit from the effects of maca that improve motility and such...but your semen production would still increase.
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06-14-2009, 03:50 PM #17
It's not excessive. Its geared directly at making someone as virilent as possible, hence increasing their chances of conceiving. I doubt the supplements are altering your DNA, probably best to stay off stronger stuff with chemical orientation though.
BTW. Nice thread, I love it!! Coincidentally I just happened upon it now that im also aiming for the same stuff. This is the stack I have in my shopping cart, feel free to make comment please.
X2 NOWfoods : Maca 500mg
X2 NOWfoods : Horny goat weed 750mg
X3(sale) 4Everfit : Trib750(with a herbal antiE)
I already eat a fair amount of celery, which was making my loads very noticeably bigger... Then when I came across this thread I was like oooooh now I know why haha. My lady friend exclaimed at how big they were the first time I came.Member of the Skeleton Crew
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The stack will still increase your volume, however since the sperm won't be in your ejaculate, any supplements involving sperm production and sperm motility (ZMA), won't produce any noticeable changes in that respect. This would be the area primarily limited by vasectomy, as anything produced in the testes has to travel through the vas deferens (which was cut) to get to the outside world:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testicle
As SolidSnake84 said, sperm doesn't make up the entire ejaculate, so although your loads won't be as big as somone who still has their reproductive system intact, you should still see some improvement.
Celery is amazing, isn't it? I always wondered why my loads always seemed bigger when I was cutting for competitions. It was all the celery I was eating on my fibrous carb days.
Nope, your logic isn't flawed. I was concerned about the same thing, which is why I chose natural supplements. Most of the supplements are the same bodybuilding supplements we take anyway, just in specific combinations and timings to improve semen volume. Furthermore, it takes a sperm cell about 2-3 months to mature, so the "little guys" I'm creating now, won't "appear on the scene, ready for action" until sometime in September 2009. So you almost have to plan 2 months out if you're going to make sure your "litle guys" are in good shape when the time comes.
Check out this article on Wikipedia regarding sperm health/motility/count:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sperm_analysis
At my age, the goal is to have as many viable sperm cells as possible, who are all strong swimmers, and have a good sense of direction (unlike they're Dad who can't swim a stroke and needs a GPS, a map and a compass.). Having a healthy diet (with no alcohol, narcotics & carcinogens in my system), with good supplementation should improve our chances greatly. I'll give you a report once the doctor clears us to attempt conception again.
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06-15-2009, 04:05 AM #19
I did a little look around for Maca regarding pricing... The lifeflo brand is cheapest per gram but doesnt list a concentration/active ingredient ratio or anything, neither does the tablet form from NOWfoods.... The NOWfoods organic powder however lists itself as a 6:1 concentration ratio..
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I've had good results with LifeFlo. I've been mixing it in my protein shakes, and it's 100% pure Maca. Each serving (2 scoops) is 6200 mg, so I take between 1-2 scoops per day, nothing more.
Here's more information about Maca:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maca
After about 3 weeks supplementing LifeFlo's Maca, my loads are now noticeably more voluminous (consistently 10+ ml), which as belmont commented, does make "clean up" a chore.
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Hey Skip,
Thanks for the review. I have a few questions though.
1. Do you know if juicing celery takes away from any of the benefits were trying to obtain from it? If you juice a whole bunch (several stalks I mean), its barely half a glass. Its a good way to take in a lot more Ive noticed.
2. Is taking L-lysine and L-arginine together counterproductive. I've read before that these two fight for absorption. Any truth to this? They are both in your Amino 2222 liquid.
3. You mention in bold only to take 1 ogoplex capsule a day. I have pollen aid from graminex.com and they suggest 1500mg daily, as one serving (2 tablets) is 500mg of flower pollen. No saw palmetto. Think I should cut back to just 500 or 1000mg a day of this stuff? It would make it last longer lol.
thanks for any advice!
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Juicing celery should give you the same results. Only when you cook foods do you start to lose some of the original benefits. The cooking process causes chemical breakdowns, but juicing simply liquifies the vegetable, making it easier for the body to absorb. So if anything, it'll help the nutrients in celery get into your body faster.
2. Is taking L-lysine and L-arginine together counterproductive. I've read before that these two fight for absorption. Any truth to this? They are both in your Amino 2222 liquid.
3. You mention in bold only to take 1 ogoplex capsule a day. I have pollen aid and they suggest 1500mg daily, as one serving (2 tablets) is 500mg of flower pollen. No saw palmetto. Think I should cut back to just 500 or 1000mg a day of this stuff? It would make it last longer lol.
thanks for any advice!
Is it specifically "Swedish" flower pollen? That and Saw Palmetto are the active ingredients in Ogoplex. Saw Palmetto is primarily known for it's effectiveness at improving prostate health. So if your flower pollen supplement is Swedish Flower Pollen, then you can simply add Saw Palmetto to your supplementation and you'll be set.
Oh, and you're welcome. Eventhough Ejaculoid is an awesome product, I thought a slightly more "scientific" review would be helpful. Knowing how it works and how effectively it works over time (with quantitative/qualitative analysis) helped me be more confident that the product actually does what it claims.
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06-16-2009, 08:38 AM #24
I know this thread is more about semen volume, but I was wondering if you had information on how to get larger, stronger, more frequent erections? I know that maca and HGW are common ingredients when it comes to this, so in that way this topic is related to semen volume. I've dabbled with this product
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/now/men.html
which has been great. However, I'm not sure which ingredients are helping the most and in what dosages they should be taken. I currently take 3 capsules before bed.
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06-16-2009, 05:04 PM #25
Skip will probably be able to give you a more thorough knowledgeable answer. From what I know libido is related to erection frequencey and strength, so all the supplements listed in here which effect libido like Maca, Longjack, HGW, Tribulus saponins, red rice yeast, red clover... All are supposed to have an effect on libido. Arginine(AAKG) gives a supplement effect similar to viagra, with the increased production of NO2 you get harder erection supposedly...
Good diet, making sure you have all your vitamins and minerals covered, quality food. Healthy and fit will make you more virile and perform better sexually, people with low/fit bodyfat% have a better free test level and less estrogen compared to those with a high fat %. Every 10kg you are overweight supposedly amounts to 1cm off your penis size ive heard.... probably a bit too generalised but still.
Good sleep is extremely important, your body produces the majority of its hormones during deep sleep... That plus when you are well rested your stress levels will be more manageable, and you'll have more energy.
If all else fails there is a plethora of pharmaceutical drugs designed to solve the problem.Member of the Skeleton Crew
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I appreciate the response. It's not there is a "problem" per say, but I wanted to try something and see if it made a difference. It made quite a difference, and so that got me interested in this topic
If one were to only take a couple of herbs for libido, which would be the most effective? What mechanisms do these different supplements use?
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