I'm one of the lefties who generally stands pretty firm with Israel. But it's quite clear that the majority of support in the west is heavily palestine biased. US and UK mainstream political parties are literally losing not-insignificant numbers of voters over this right now. I don't know a single person IRL other than Jews who are supporting Israel.
How does Israel simultaneously
1) Eliminate a terror group who is committed to eradicating Israel regardless
2) Minimise Palestinian casualties in any military operations
3) Regain at least enough favourability among the current Zeitgeist that western govts won't be forced to abandon their commitments
Or will they just say **** it, we have nukes, we'll go it alone?
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11-03-2023, 07:58 PM #1
What is the pragmatic step forward for Isr***?
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the west is against israel?
bruh the whole world is against israel
literally the only significant country that voted in the latest UN ceasefire favoring Israel was the USA, and thats only because our government are nearly all jewish.
the world is seeing that the USA is ran by a bunch of kid killing war mongering toddler brained zionist psychos hellbent on spreading our gayness and trannyism on other countries while also funding the jewish ukraine cause and the jewish israel cause.
I think all Israel has on their side at this point are the fake Christian evangelicals and the fox news boomers. both of who are dying off.
we are basically isolating ourselves from the world all for this greatest ally, an abusive, 1 sided bitch of a greatest ally that bombs us on occasion, blackmails our leaders and gets us involved in wars that they do not even bother sending a SINGLE military troop to help with. LOL
Its already too late for Israel, they better get their gay samson option ready in my opinion
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https://poll.qu.edu/poll-release?releaseid=3880
Sure buddy.
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11-04-2023, 05:32 AM #8
Netanyahu was recently recorded citing 1 Samuel 15:3 in a clip that has gone viral.
“Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.”
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11-04-2023, 06:06 AM #10
Israels true Iron Dome is that the propaganda machine that protects them is run/controlled by Western jews.
That said,for the reasons in the OP, IMO, its in their best interest to find a long term solution to this, as even though their Super Pacs/Billionaire jewish donors are able to control the current boomer politicians(on both sides) IDK if that will be true for the next crop of hard core true leftists coming up?
GOP evangelicals, yeah they will kill their own offspring for Israel...but like I said, that growing true leftist political movement, not so much...at least until real money starts flowing their way, then who knows??
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What you mean is, radical leftists are trying to eject Jews from the Democrat party.
Israel should do what it is currently doing. Tell civilians where not to be, and destroy any and all military assets in those regions.
The US should stop sending humanitarian AID. Obviously if the Palestinians can afford to invade Israel they don't need help.Florida Crew as of 3/21
What part of "Shall Not Be Infringed" are you having trouble with?
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11-04-2023, 08:35 AM #26
I don't foresee Israel surviving as an independent state in the next 100 years for the following reasons:
a) The Arab states (and the Muslim world) are committed to the removal of the Jewish presence from "Islamic lands". There is no compromise on this basic principle and never will be.
b) The Arabs have the luxury of time; just like the Crusades, they will wait centuries if need be, but they will ultimately prevail in taking back what they consider to be their land. (Colonialism narrative)
c) While the Muslims are committed to their cause, the same cannot be said about the Jewish people. They have many different feelings, ideas, and divisions about the whole conflict.
d) The youth of Israel will not want to live in a climate of continued conflict/tension and move to different countries around the world. Israel's population will dwindle over time. The Arab population will keep growing.
e) The religious commitment is not as strong among the younger Jews compared to their elders and certainly not as strong as Muslims.*Simplicity is the key to life*
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11-04-2023, 08:36 AM #27
Israel is just gonna continue doing what they are doing. It isn't right, but Hamas essentially declared total war by attacking civs so brazenly. Israel will rationally retaliate against civs as well. It's disgusting and sad, but it is not unexpected. This is how war works. I'd like to see the US take a more principled approach in promoting negotiations to prevent a full scale war. But again, what we can expect is that the US will rationally side with Israel. It's a chit situation.
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In 100 years, if human development continues, Islam in its current extreme form (seen in certain areas of the Middle East) will cease to exist, much like how historical Christian extremism has largely been eliminated. Every new generation is less religious than the last due to science and technology rapidly changing civilization. People act like nations have fixed identities. They don't.
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