Dbone Reviews SAN Fierce Domination

[dbone1026]

In March I decided to see what all the hype was surrounding SAN Fierce and put together a mini review. Since then Fierce has become one of my go to pre workouts, so of course I was excited to see what improvements they had made when they recently reformulated Fierce (now known as Domination)

Here is the profile of the original SAN Fierce:



And here is the profile of the new SAN Fierce Domination:

I have had a chance to use Domination for 3 workouts, so in my next post I will give some more details on my workouts/thoughts. I would also like to get in at least one more workout (which I will post about here as well) before I put together my review, so stay tuned

[dbone1026]

Day 1 (Saturday)

Dosing:

1 Scoop Domination (to the line on the scooper, not the top) + 1 Scoop Hemavol

Workout: PHAT Day 1: Upper Body Power Day

Pulling Power Movement: Corner T-Bar Barbell Rows
4 sets of 4-5 reps @ 180-220lbs + Barbell (finished off with a drop set down to 90lbs)

Assistance Pulling movement: Underhand Grip Cable Pulldowns
3 sets of 6-10 reps @ 120-150lbs

Auxiliary Pulling movement: Wide Grip Cable Rows
4 sets of 6-10 reps @ 80-140lbs

Pressing Power Movement: Incline barbell presses
4 sets of 3-5 reps @ 185-225lbs (finished off with a drop set down to 135lbs)

Assistance pressing movement: HS Seated Press
3 sets of 7-10 reps @ 90-120lbs each side (finished off with a drop set down to 45lbs each side)

Assistance pressing movement: Smith Machine Shoulder Presses
3 sets of 8 reps @ 135-155lbs

Auxiliary curling movement: Barbell Drag Curls
4 sets of 10 reps @ 115lbs (finished off with a drop set down to 95lbs followed by a set of 21s with barbell only)

Notes:

There were a few interesting things to note:

- Typically I have my pre as soon as I wake up, have a quick pro/carb shake about 15-20 minutes later, and then head to the gym. For this day though because I went later in the morning I ended up eating breakfast approx an hour before I had Domination, and I found that having a meal in my stomach somewhat lessened the effects of the C (not horrible for me since I am stim sensitive, but noticeable).

- Midway through my workout the energy in Fierce started to kick in. It was a relatively smooth energy which was something I was focused on since I believe Domination has a higher C level then Fierce

- Energy was great throughout the workout, but one thing I started to notice was that I felt a little off, almost a "trippy" feeling. This lasted about an hour or so after my workout was complete, almost similar to being a little too stimmed, but not quick the anxiety type feeling.

- No noticeable post workout crash

- Typically my hypertrophy workouts are where I get more of a pump and get the vascularity kicking in, but this workout the pump/vascularity was right up there with my hypertrophy workouts which was a pleasant surprise

- No GI issues noted

[ScivationLead]

In for pics and your thoughts

[thedarce]

IN to see your experience with Domination

[dbone1026]

Day 2 (Sunday)

Dosing:
4 caps XF 45 minutes pre + 1 Scoop Fierce Domination + 1 Scoop HemaVol

Workout: PHAT Day 2: Lower Body Power Day

Pressing Power Movement: Barbell Deadlifts
4 sets 3 @ 315lbs | 3 @ 375lbs | 3 @ 375lbs | 5 @ 315lbs

Assistance pressing movement: Barbell Front Squats
3 sets of 6-8 reps @ 135lbs

Assistance extension movement: Leg Extensions
3 sets of 6 reps @ 190lbs (4|2 tempo)

Assistance pulling movement: Smith Machine Split Squats
3 sets of 6 reps @ 135lbs

Assistance pulling/curling movement: Lying Hamstring Curls
2 sets of 6 reps @ 100lbs

Auxiliary calf movement: Standing Smith Machine calf raise
3 sets of 10 reps @ 185lbs

Auxiliary calf movement: Seated calf raise
3 sets of 10 reps @ 90lbs

Notes:

- For this workout I was back to my normal routine where I had my pre first thing in the morning on an empty stomach. Boy did that make a difference, as I definitely felt the stim kick in much quicker then the day prior when I already had a meal in me.

- At the start of the workout I was starting to feel that "trippy" feeling again. It actually didn't last too long though, and I would say was less noticeable versus the Saturday workout

- Pump/muscle fullness once again was at a high

- I was in a bit of a rush as I moved along with this workout, and I felt Domination gave me the right amount of energy to power through the workout without missing a beat (after deadlifts I managed to get through the rest of the exercises in about 30 minutes)

- No post workout crash.

- No GI issues noted

[dbone1026]

Day 3 (Thursday i.e. Today)

Dosing:

4 caps XF 45 minutes pre + 1 Scoop Domination + 3 Anavite

Workout: PHAT Day 6 : Chest and Arms Hypertrophy Day (PART 1, CHEST ONLY)

Pressing Power Exercise speed work: Inclinet Barbell presses
6 sets of 3 reps @ 155lbs + Chains (70% of 3-5 rep max, down slow, power up)

Hypertrophy pressing movement: Flat Barbell presses
4 sets of 8-12 reps @ 185-225lbs (Last set drop set 205|185|135)

Hypertrophy pressing movement: Seated Incline HS press
3 sets of 15 reps @ 55-75lbs on each side

Hypertrophy fly movement: Overhand cable flies
3 sets of 15 reps @ 35lbs

Hypertrophy fly movement: Peck Deck
3 sets of 15 reps @ 90lbs

Notes:

- OK, so I wanted to try something a little different and use Domination solo (instead of stacking with Hemavol). Also, today I had just flown in from the UK, so being up over 16 hours before I got to the gym was going to be a real test to see if Domination to give me the energy I needed)

- That "trippy" feeling I experienced the first two workouts was nowhere to be found with this workout, so that is one interesting thing to note (possibly because I was already over-exhausted by the time i got to the gym)

- I had an awesome pump throughout my chest workout, almost where a few times it was borderline painful at the end of my reps. This was interesting since I actually had kept Hemavol out of the mix for this workout. One thing though that I have noticed that may have contributed to this, I have found that when I workout later in the afternoon, the pump seems to be more prominent then when I work out first thing in the morning (possibly because my body is already flush with food and carbs by the time i get to the gym in the afternoon). This was about 30 minutes after my workout, and I still had a great pump/fullness going on (even had the arm vascularity kicking in even though I didn't work out my arms)



- Domination gave me a smooth energy burst throughout the workout, just the right amount to give me that needed edge without any of the jitters or anxiety

- No noticeable post workout crash

- No GI issues

[dbone1026]

So those are my 3 workouts to date, all at slightly different scenarios and results. Tomorrow I going to go back to my normal first thing in the morning workout and stack with Hemavol. In particular it will be interesting to see if I experience that trippy/overstimmed feeling, or if it was just an anomaly with those first few workouts (especially since today's workout I did not experience any of this). Oh yeah, and it will be hypertrophy arms, so let's see what kind of pump I can get going lol. Most likely tomorrow's workout will be the final workout and then I will put together my review.

[ChrisLS8]

So those are my 3 workouts to date, all at slightly different scenarios and results. Tomorrow I going to go back to my normal first thing in the morning workout and stack with Hemavol. In particular it will be interesting to see if I experience that trippy/overstimmed feeling, or if it was just an anomaly with those first few workouts (especially since today's workout I did not experience any of this). Oh yeah, and it will be hypertrophy arms, so let's see what kind of pump I can get going lol. Most likely tomorrow's workout will be the final workout and then I will put together my review.

I've noticed really good pumps as well. Did bench today and my chest damn near cramped up.

Looking good man

[dbone1026]

I've noticed really good pumps as well. Did bench today and my chest damn near cramped up.

Looking good man

Thanks.

Yeah, the chest pumps were pretty crazy. I don't usually get those on bench (usually only on HS or flies) but during my flat bench they were pretty intense. Let's see what happens in a few minutes with my arm workout...

[bowskie69]

Great work dbone, Domination seems to be worth a try.

[dbone1026]

Great work dbone, Domination seems to be worth a try.

Thanks. At a minimum it is worth getting samples to see how you respond.

Workout #4 completed, details posted shortly

[dbone1026]

Day 4

Dosing:

1 Scoop Fierce Domination + 1 Scoop Hemavol 60 minutes pre workout on an empty stomach

Workout: PHAT Day 6 : Chest and Arms Hypertrophy Day (Part Deux, Arms only)

Hypertrophy curling/extension exercise: Barbell Drag curls / Lying Cambered Bar Skull Crushers / Closed Grip Cambered Bar Presses Tripleset
4 sets of 12 reps @ 95-135lbs / 4 sets of 12 reps @ 65lbs / 4 sets of 12 reps @ 65lbs

Hypertrophy curling/extension exercise: EZ Bar Preacher curls / Overhand Grip Cable Pressdowns Superset
3 sets of 12-15 reps @ 65lbs / 3 sets of 15 reps @ 100lbs

Hypertrophy curling/extension exercise: Dumbbell Concentration Curls / Rope Cable Pressdowns Superset
3 sets of 15 reps @ 25lbs Dumbbells / 3 sets of 15 reps @ 70lbs

Hypertrophy curling/extension exercise: Standing Alternating dumbbell curls / Cable Tricep Extensions Superset
4 sets of 12 reps @ 35lbs dumbbells / 4 sets of 15 reps @ 20lbs

Optional: Run the rack Alternating Dumbbell Curls / Rope Cable Pressdowns Superset
1 set of a total of approx 24 reps @ 45/40/30/25/20 lbs dumbbells / 1 set of a total of approx 30+ reps @ 100/90/80/70/60 lbs

Notes:

- Oh boy, one of the best arm pumps/vascularity I have had in a while. Looks like Domination + HemaVol + Hypertrophy + Supersets is downright killer

About an hour post workout the pump/vascularity was still kicking in:



- Second straight workout where I did not notice any of that "stimmed" out feeling, so I am thinking whatever caused it the first few times is not the norm.

- Having Domination on a empty stomach first thing in the morning definitely hits me quicker (I would say within the first 6-11 minutes). Never too much, and the energy remains smooth and constant throughout the workout

- As of now (approx 2 hours post workout) no noticeable crash

- No GI issues

So 4 workouts, slightly different scenarios, think I should be good now to put together a review shortly

[dbone1026]

Profile:

The biggest change from Fierce to Domination is the replacement of the NO blend with CitMal/LCLT/Agmatine/GMS. I am definitely a fan of this switch and think that is why the pumps were more noticeable with Domination vs. Fierce. I know some people will argue that the dosage amount of these should have been increased for optimal results (specifically CitMal in the 4-6g range, LCLT @ 2G, and Agmatine @ 1G). However, I can see why the dosage is where it is as you get a great pump using as a standalone. I would rather be in the position where if I felt like it needed a boost I could just stack with another supp (like Hemavol), otherwise it could work great as a standalone. To me this would be better then having someone use and having to cut the dose in half because the pumps are too much (and losing the Creatine/Energy benefit by reducing the dose). Of course this also assumes that whatever dosage is still at an effective level and not grossly underdosed (as many supps out there do).

Also, I think it was implied that the BA was dosed around 1.6g and Caffeine was more then in Fierce (possibly around the 250mg+ range?). The creatine content should easily cover your daily creatine needs.

Taste/Mixability:

Not really much I can comment on with regards to taste. I am not a huge watermelon fan, but watermelon Domination tastes good, although I do prefer the Orange Tangy Fierce.

As far as mixability, Domination mixes up rather well just using water in a shaker cup



One thing I noticed is a bit more residue is left over versus Fierce (could this be the GMS?)



Energy:

This was probably my biggest concern when trying Domination since it has a higher C content then the original Fierce (and I am a bit stim sensitive). Poison had mentioned though that the caffeine/l-theanine combo would actually reduce the effects of the Caffeine (see here for more info provided). The first two times I used Domination it was a bit weird. I never felt the typical anxiety/jitters that I experience with heavily stimmed products and the energy was great. However, I had a bit of a dazed/trippy feeling (didn't last long but it was noticeable). The last two workouts though I never experienced this, so I am thinking that the trippy/dazed feeling was not the norm. Otherwise energy was great, and most importantly no post workout crash

Endurance/Focus:

Great energy and focus, something that is important for me since I currently follow PHAT. Due to some time contraints I had to really cram in a lot in a short period of time, and with Domination I never skipped a beat.

Pump/Fullness:

I tried a couple different scenarios, using Domination as a standalone and stacking with HemaVol. In both cases I would say I had some of the best pumps I have experienced (borderline painful but did not hinder my workouts). Domination definitely stacks great with HemaVol, but it definitely has me thinking that I could use more as just a standalone. This is something I will continue to mess around with to see where my sweet spot is

GI Distress:

No Hershey squirts, enough said!

Additional Notes:

I do have a few bones to pick with SAN. First, instead of affixing a label to the tub they decided to use a simple wrap around label. What bugs me about this is when you go to open the tub for the first time it is very easy to rip off the label itself (see below as part of the label started coming off before I realized it)



My second bone to pick is regarding the scooper. 1 serving is not up to the top of the scooper, but instead to the line below. I don't have an issue with this but feel it should be more clearly stated on the label and a clear scooper should have been used instead of a black scooper (so it would be easier to see how the scooper is filled). Filling to the top of the scooper without realizing that takes you above the serving size could lead to excess stims and nitrates which could have a negative impact on the user and their perception of Domination.



Final Thoughts:

Overall I think SAN did a great job reformulating Fierce, and I see Domination as a keeper as part of my pre workout mix. It worked great for me as a standalone but also lends itself well to stacking (and each user can determine what works best for them). Of course, if you are an ArA user, Domination lends itself nicely to.

[Anthony21]

Very very very nice in depth review. I like how you didn't base your review on just one workout. Good work D.

[dbone1026]

Very very very nice in depth review. I like how you didn't base your review on just one workout. Good work D.

Thanks. I thought is was important to test out under a few different scenarios (although the whole working out right after I flew in from London wasn't originally a planned one lol)

[allieninja]

Weird, my scooper is clear. I wonder sup wit dat...

[D3Baseball]

Just an epic review as always and I'd say when this was formulated, your thoughts are almost exactly what we hoped users would think and feel. I know how much you love supps and have the desire and means to get the best stuff out there, so it means a lot that you see Fierce Domination as a part of your pre-workout supplementation

I think the label is sweet but like you said I had some trouble tearing it off without maiming the sexy graphic. Feedback is noted!

[SoftballNerd]

Job well done sir. This is how a review should be done

[poison]

Excellent! No comment on flavor?

[dbone1026]

Just an epic review as always and I'd say when this was formulated, your thoughts are almost exactly what we hoped users would think and feel. I know how much you love supps and have the desire and means to get the best stuff out there, so it means a lot that you see Fierce Domination as a part of your pre-workout supplementation

I think the label is sweet but like you said I had some trouble tearing it off without maiming the sexy graphic. Feedback is noted!

Yeah, I know many of us here want to add dozens of different supps together to get the most "optimized" results, but sometimes less is better. I just like the fact that Domination works great as a standalone yet is very inviting to be stacked. I am trying to be less of a supp whore and narrow things down to a few core supps

Job well done sir. This is how a review should be done

Thx sir.

Excellent! No comment on flavor?

ehhh?

Not really much I can comment on with regards to taste. I am not a huge watermelon fan, but watermelon Domination tastes good, although I do prefer the Orange Tangy Fierce.

[poison]

Oh, cool. Phone viewage sucks.

A word about dosages: looking at each ingredient separately, your numbers (specifically CitMal in the 4-6g range, LCLT @ 2G, and Agmatine @ 1G) would be great. However, when combined, and with the addition of nitrates, it is not necessary; there is a point of diminishing returns.

As noted by all reviews so far, there is no problem with endurance, or pumps, when using Domination.

[UKFORDY]

Great review.

Really want to try this as my next PWO, but can find no UK sites that sell it.

[D3Baseball]

Great review.

Really want to try this as my next PWO, but can find no UK sites that sell it.

I won't be able to tell you where this is sold other than bb.com, but I'll try and check to see when it will reach the UK

[dbone1026]

Great review.

Really want to try this as my next PWO, but can find no UK sites that sell it.

Should have posted here earlier, I was in the UK all week (not that it would have made a difference lol). I went to your UK gyms, you guys ain't ready for Domination yet

[poison]

Oh snap. Lol, that's not very nice.

[ChrisLS8]

I noticed the issue with the label too. Made it difficult to hold the tub while taking the lid off for the first time since it would slip. I have to cradle it like a baby

[poison]

SAN believes grip strength is very important.

[kr1kit]

Solid review as always dbone.. I'm hoping to see more reviews over the next couple days before I buy a tub, specifically to see if that "trippy/dazed" feeling occurs for others. I hate feeling like that, so if that seems to be happening with Domination, then eehh...

[WaxyMaize]

nice review
I like Domination however it does have something in it that gives me the feeling of like when in on launch which has 1,3 D in it. I get this really nice focus and pumps, but kills my appetite and dick for some reason.

[D3Baseball]

nice review
I like Domination however it does have something in it that gives me the feeling of like when in on launch which has 1,3 D in it. I get this really nice focus and pumps, but kills my appetite and dick for some reason.

It does not have 1,3 D as that has been banned. We have beefed up the energy/focus component in this product, but it has a different feeling and won't have the side effects associated with 1,3 D. As someone who loves both products, this one whomps Launch in the pumps/endurance/strength department.

If you really love that big energy hit, we're currently formulating Launch 4350 Reloaded so you can look forward to that.