This feels like such an easy win with MS exiting the console arena. Imagine if Valve, with all their goodwill and support made a console without Windows and just running Steam OS. No keyboard and mouse required, all your steam games, simple plug and play.
You get all the MS games and Sony games under one console.
I would buy that over a PS6, dedfknsrs
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05-06-2024, 09:50 AM #1
Why isn't a Steam Machine Console in the works?
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05-06-2024, 09:59 AM #2
This is why
Steam doesn't need to do chit. They don't need to advertise, they don't need more money, they aren't looking for more ways to trap you into their ecosystem
As long as gaben is alive, steam will continue to remain a beloved platform where people are happy to buy their video games. Valve has cemented their place as a great company for video gamers by simply not sucking, and not doing what these other companies have ALL done: gotten too Fkn greedy.
I would not expect anyone who buys into (and praises) the sony ecosystem to understand this concept.Sometimes I park in handicap spaces, while handicap people make handicap faces
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05-06-2024, 10:12 AM #4
It is quite baffling that no one has made a modular console with upgrade-ability and a sleek no-nonsense OS that just works and updates itself. But its probably impossible. It would be playing PC games and hardware/software devs wont want to build firmware/updates to make all their chit work on a Steam console.It's also kinda pointless you may as well just build a small form factor gaming PC.
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05-06-2024, 10:20 AM #5
WTF is this dick sucking post my god. Your Sony derangement syndrome is draining.
"BECAUSE STEAM DOESNT NEED TO DO CHIT AND TRAP USERS LIKE YOU SONY PLEBS REEEEEEEE"
Bro they made a steam deck lmao.
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05-06-2024, 11:21 AM #9
Lmaooo it is bit of a dick ride post
But really, Bc it doesn't make a ton of sense
A Steamdeck is a tiny form factor pc.
It's around 600-700$?
So, you want a bigger one with some more power or upgradability, sure. What price point? 1000? 1500?
Once you reach a certain price point it makes almost zero sense for someone to buy this machine over a regular desktop pc, and valve likely realizes that.
PC users love the Steamdeck because it's portable and can function as a tiny, if slightly limited, PC also for the most part.
The small form factor console youre thinking of is just a small pc you set to boot into steam big picture. I don't think valve really thinks they can, or do they have any desire to try to convert console players into steam users, and those of us who are already pc gamers aren't gunna buy a more limited version of a PC.Sometimes I park in handicap spaces, while handicap people make handicap faces
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well they did try it with the steam machines early on and they failed bad
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05-06-2024, 11:55 AM #12
No no, just one for around PS5/PS5 pro price. I don't feel strongly towards upgrades/modular design.
Just as much as gamers want a deck for portability, there are also gamers who are put off by PC because it isn't the simplest setup for gaming on your couch, mostly due to windows, price and people not knowing how to build or troubleshoot.
A steam console will streamline things and give people access to steam. And I'd choose steam in a heartbeat if they keep getting Sony games.▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬ஜ۩۞۩ஜ▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬
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05-06-2024, 11:56 AM #13
Small form factor, can't play the latest games at PS5 quality and visuals. If it did I'd be there day 0.
Idk man I feel a Steam Console would sell really well for a first edition launch. Get it to match console visuals with the versatility of Steam and people would be drawn to that. Maybe even make it dock with the Steam deck so you can take your console on the go.
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05-06-2024, 12:00 PM #14
They lost money with each Steam Deck they sold, not sure how they could do this and make money. Unless by the thinking more people buying more steam games... which, you'd have to do some serious market research (which I'm sure they have) to justify that.
With the Deck -- they correctly identified a gap in the market (handheld gaming) or maybe saw the success of the Switch, either way, they knew handheld was an opening. Is a Steam Console also a good idea? Maybe? I don't know? That market might already be saturated with PS5s and such.
Whatever the market, it would need to justify a powerful console being sold at a loss (likely) and whether that generates enough in new sales from Steam games or not.
All that chit out of the way, I agree with the sentiment. Steam OS is great and a Steam Console would be great.All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
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05-06-2024, 12:05 PM #15
Maybe the Deck is so expensive because they tried to fit those specs in a small form factor.
If they're buying the same parts en masse from AMD like Sony does and don't require specialized small form factor hardware then maybe they can keep the price around 6-700? I don't see why Sony can do it but Valve can't...
I'm sure tons of people like myself would have a preference to steam, esp now that they're getting all the games from both Sony and MS. Lots of people with 2 consoles might just opt to buy one instead.
Pair that with the Steam Deck when they have to go out or not home, they can carry their libraries on the go. That sounds sick.▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬ஜ۩۞۩ஜ▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬
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That's a great idea. Steam is the GOAT and they have the Steam Deck for handheld and it does well. A console system would be a great idea if they market it right. So much value with their crazy deals and a good UI. Nobody wants to spend $60+ on games anymore especially when there is so much content out there.
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Honestly if you want a Steam console it probably wouldn't be that hard to make one. Just get a decent small PC setup for gaming, put Linux on it, then install all the Steam software for Proton so it runs like a Steam Deck. Since Steam Deck is set to run games like any PC, whatever hardware you have will just run as well as it can with free options for optimization.
They actually had some Steam console concept in the past, but it didn't sell that well, and a number of PC manufacturers were a part of it. I could just see there being a real market for a decent small gaming PC to run like a Steam Deck. Surprised PC manufacturers haven't really jumped on that. I think they were simply lacking the software and support to make it run well the last time they tried the idea. That and there wasn't a good selection of good performing low cost hardware like there is now.
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Btw, and I sent this to CoalOP, but while it may or may not be a good idea from Steam's perspective, from *our* perspective it would be. I would love to have most of my gaming library accessible from a single console.
No reason any one of us could not snag a powerhouse gaming mini-PC, load it up w/ Linux and install Steam OS.All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
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Here are some takes from ETA Prime, a good Youtube channel if you're into hardware, the first is older (10m) so there are probably better options out now:
I am a Steam Deck owner, two actually, and a fan of the device -- but it's underpowered. Not potato underpowered, but having to fuk with high-end games endlessly like Helldivers, and then on low low settings.
Something with more beef in console form would be a new market entirely than the underpowered purely handheld.All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
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05-08-2024, 08:50 AM #26
Yeah I don't know a goddamn thing about Linux. I understand the concept of a steam box failed in the past but I think they learned and refined a great deal with the steam deck since its launch and could apply those strides in progress much better to a console now vs back then.
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I remember learning about Linux pretty damn fast back when I was setting up my OG steam deck to emulate. While I've already forgotten everything, I'm also old and not some savvy tech guy. It was a fairly intuitive OS -- honestly, more than MacOS, that is something I can not fuking work with. My Mom has a macbook, my brother talked her into it to avoid getting viruses, but whenever she has any problem I am useless when it comes to fixing it.
Not sure about teraflop to teraflop, but like even the little mini-pc I found above was running 32GB ram on a powerful processor at 65w. Probably isn't going to compare super favorably to the PS5 but I bet close enough to get 60FPS for most games. I think it ran about $700, so with a good controller you're looking at less than $800 with that option (which... yeah, something like double the current PS5, probably $100-200 more than whatever the Pro will cost)All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
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Yeah I'm sure I can learn it but I'm spoiled with the PS5 and how super easy it is to just get into a game. Come home after a long day, take a shower and just get right into games without a care in the world. If there was a steam console the only thing I see more "difficult" from my use case would be playing around with the various graphics settings whereas in PS5 you basically just choose custom presets that devs already have optimized for your box. For a simple gamer like me that's something I appreciate. You have one hardware config with a large userbase so devs take the time to optimize for it. Maybe I won't get rid of my PS5 lol but I'll still buy a Steam box for sure.
When it comes to cost, I'd like to think launching a console where Valve can cut a deal and buy the same AMD parts as Xbox and PS5 to drastically reduce the price. In that case I don't think the cost will translate 1:1 in terms of buying a similar specced PC anymore.
Agree, on windows, I don't want it on my gaming device but I've never had an issue with steam and their UI now has a console-like interface which you won't need mouse+keyboard to use.▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬ஜ۩۞۩ஜ▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬
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