UFC 284: Makhachev vs. Volkanovski discussion thread

[iwant2beswole]

Hard to wrap my head around people still arguing volk got the better of Islam with his back taken and pinned against the fence

[ninetynine8]

Hard to wrap my head around people still arguing volk got the better of Islam with his back taken and pinned against the fence

it's damage based scoring. It's literally the rules

if you can't do damage with 'control' wtf does that say about you in the fight? volk won r4.

[iwant2beswole]

it's damage based scoring. It's literally the rules

if you can't do damage with 'control' wtf does that say about you in the fight? volk won r4.

control of the fight is also part of scoring criteria. it's not simply how many times you tag the other person. no ref is dumb enough to stop someone with back control and make them stand back up. not sure why this is such a hard point for some of you guys to understand.


clearly the judges saw it the same way since they all voted 10-9 round 4

[ninetynine8]

control of the fight is also part of scoring criteria. it's not simply how many times you tag the other person. no ref is dumb enough to stop someone with back control and make them stand back up. not sure why this is such a hard point for some of you guys to understand.


clearly the judges saw it the same way since they all voted 10-9 round 4

damage beats control

control only wins the round if neither fighter did more damage, it's that simple

and it makes perfect sense. If you have 'control' and can't do anything with it you deserve to lose the round by default, even though that wasn't necessary in this case.




just think about how dumb your position is. If they were in the same position for 5 rounds and volk bloodied his face up he still would have lost 5 rounds according to you because he was on his back against a guy doing nothing with it

[bicmane789]

damage beats control

control only wins the round if neither fighter did more damage, it's that simple

and it makes perfect sense. If you have 'control' and can't do anything with it you deserve to lose the round by default, even though that wasn't necessary in this case.




just think about how dumb your position is. If they were in the same position for 5 rounds and volk bloodied his face up he still would have lost 5 rounds according to you because he was on his back against a guy doing nothing with it

stop mentioning 'damage' like volks short strikes did any meaningful damage. it didn't.

volk had his back taken which is literally one of the worst spots you can be in. you can't do damage in that position. sorry casuals.

imagine trying to suggest volk won that round with baby strikes while having his back controlled... smh...

[bicmane789]

not sure why this is such a hard point for some of you guys to understand.

they don't understand any grappling aspect of mma.

they just remember sean o malley winning because of "more damage" lol

[bicmane789]

it's damage based scoring. It's literally the rules

if you can't do damage with 'control' wtf does that say about you in the fight? volk won r4.

grappling is not about damage you retard.

islam wasn't even trying to 'damage' he was trying to submit.

volk trying to annoy islam enough to create space to escape. he couldnt.

you realize islam couldve returned those baby strikes to volk's head right? why didn't he?

are you sayin all islam shouldve done was some baby strikes to volks head and he wouldn't won the round then? lmao

[ninetynine8]

grappling is not about damage you retard.

islam wasn't even trying to 'damage' he was trying to submit.

volk trying to annoy islam enough to create space to escape. he couldnt.

you realize islam couldve returned those baby strikes to volk's head right? why didn't he?

are you sayin all islam shouldve done was some baby strikes to volks head and he wouldn't won the round then? lmao

this isn't bjj dumbass, it's mma. Strikes are part of the equation

Also he did try punching back but then got outstruck which is why he stopped lmao. Just LOL, also proves how delusional you are about saying they weren't doing anything.


islam exhausted himself going for the choke then didn't do sht to try to rest while getting hit, but he won the round!

you're such a dropkick, stop posting red insect

[bicmane789]

this isn't bjj dumbass, it's mma. Strikes are part of the equation

Also he did try punching back but then got outstruck which is why he stopped lmao. Just LOL, also proves how delusional you are about saying they weren't doing anything.


islam exhausted himself going for the choke then didn't do sht to try to rest while getting hit, but he won the round!

you're such a dropkick, stop posting red insect

they weren't doing anything. short strikes while your opponent has your back is literally just to escape, not damage ur opponent.

volk was unable to escape with the short strikes.

volk wasn't trying to damage. only a retard casual thinks you can damage an elite fighter like that.

volk was doing an escape tactic. you literally can't understand that which is sad.

like i said, im actually a fighter, you should be getting some actual insight instead of arguing some forum/youtube talking points you have zero real life experience with

volks defense against getting subbed was incredible. -keyword is DEFENSE.

[ninetynine8]

they weren't doing anything. short strikes while your opponent has your back is literally just to escape, not damage ur opponent.

volk was unable to escape with the short strikes.

volk wasn't trying to damage. only a retard casual thinks you can damage an elite fighter like that.

volk was doing an escape tactic. you literally can't understand that which is sad.

like i said, im actually a fighter, you should be getting some actual insight instead of arguing some forum/youtube talking points you have zero real life experience with

volks defense against getting subbed was incredible. -keyword is DEFENSE.

so you're going to keep repeating yourself?


like i said, you actually think if this was a 50 minute round where islam was getting punched in the head the entire time while doing nothing he was winning the fight. You're dumb

The fact is Islam couldn't do anything in the position, he tried going for a choke and exhausted himself and just stayed there. Those punches are more than nothing which you can't comprehend for some reason, also stop saying you're a fighter moron. Let me guess you've had a couple local fights in your ****hole town and now think you're a hotshot lmao?

[bicmane789]

so you're going to keep repeating yourself?


like i said, you actually think if this was a 50 minute round where islam was getting punched in the head the entire time while doing nothing he was winning the fight. You're dumb

The fact is Islam couldn't do anything in the position, he tried going for a choke and exhausted himself and just stayed there. Those punches are more than nothing which you can't comprehend for some reason, also stop saying you're a fighter moron. Let me guess you've had a couple local fights in your ****hole town and now think you're a hotshot lmao?

because what im saying is literally the point of what happened.

volk trying to escape using distracting (not damaging) punches.

to mention those punches as damaging is a joke in elite fighting. period.

to think volk won, while having his back taken the entire round is a casual joke. period

making up far fetched unrealistic scenarios to prove your point is also a joke.

[ninetynine8]

because what im saying is literally the point of what happened.

volk trying to escape using distracting (not damaging) punches.

to mention those punches as damaging is a joke in elite fighting. period.

to think volk won, while having his back taken the entire round is a casual joke. period

making up far fetched unrealistic scenarios to prove your point is also a joke.

DAMAGE is the number one criteria in the current rules. What are you not getting about that? Foot stomps count as damage. If you foot stomp your opponent and he doesn't hit you with anything you did more damage. Control is a factor but it's less than damage, and if you do less damage than someone with a dominant position you're just a coward trying to buy time, in that case the ref should have stood them up in all honesty.


The punches were bothering Islam which is which he threw them back and then stopped when volk threw more

[bicmane789]

DAMAGE is the number one criteria in the current rules. What are you not getting about that? Foot stomps count as damage. If you foot stomp your opponent and he doesn't hit you with anything you did more damage. Control is a factor but it's less than damage, and if you do less damage than someone with a dominant position you're just a coward trying to buy time, in that case the ref should have stood them up in all honesty.


The punches were bothering Islam which is which he threw them back and then stopped when volk threw more

i get 100% what you are saying, but things like short strikes while ur opponent have ur back, and foot stomps are not damaging attacks.

they are more like distracting moves to get your opponent to change positions.

insignificant strikes vs significant strikes.

yes, we've all heard about "damage" being important, but neither fighter did worthwhile damage in that round so its a moot criteria.

that round was all about islam controlling volk. period.

also, the ref can't stand up the fighters when one of them got the other in such a dangerous spot.

i was hoping the ref would though, because i was rooting for volk

[ninetynine8]

i get 100% what you are saying, but things like short strikes while ur opponent have ur back, and foot stomps are not damaging attacks.

they are more like distracting moves to get your opponent to change positions.

insignificant strikes vs significant strikes.

yes, we've all heard about "damage" being important, but neither fighter did worthwhile damage in that round so its a moot criteria.

that round was all about islam controlling volk. period.

also, the ref can't stand up the fighters when one of them got the other in such a dangerous spot.

i was hoping the ref would though, because i was rooting for volk

just looked at some info and islam actually got a cut on his eyebrow from one of the 40 punches alex threw from his back

according to the scoring criteria damage > everything

if you want to say control is better then you have a point, but it doesn't mean he wins according to the rules.

[Zere0wn]

bicmane is obvious neckbeard troll

[Zere0wn]

just looked at some info and islam actually got a cut on his eyebrow from one of the 40 punches alex threw from his back

according to the scoring criteria damage > everything

if you want to say control is better then you have a point, but it doesn't mean he wins according to the rules.

Clearly the cut was from something else because it's literally impossible to do damage by punching someone in the face from that position.

[bicmane789]

just looked at some info and islam actually got a cut on his eyebrow from one of the 40 punches alex threw from his back

according to the scoring criteria damage > everything

if you want to say control is better then you have a point, but it doesn't mean he wins according to the rules.

the amount of control islam had was like 8/10

the damage volk did was like 1/10

volks defense was 8/10. but its islam on your back in a position where 99/100 fighters would get subbed.

volk did amazing, but islam won the round

[Cartiac]

you're too dumb to understand what i'm saying

Islam had 'control' but he couldn't DO anything with it or move positions which means he was just as controlled as volk was, and HE DID LESS DAMAGE.

It's as simple as that.

It's not on volk to risk getting out when he's the one doing more damage. Stop quoting volk when you'll cherry pick some things he says but not all of it



You know damage is the number one thing now right?

Wow that is embarrassing. I would highly recommend before you go spouting off proving you don't know anything, you should first educate yourself on the rules of the sport and second actually watch the fights.

There was absolutely no damage done in any way from either fighter on the ground or really the entire round, Volk's nut shot didn't even hurt Islam. I also hate to inform you damage is not the number one thing now or ever. Effective striking and grappling is. If you weren't such a twat you might ask, what is effective striking and grappling? Well that would be legal blows that have an immediate impact such as Islam punching Volk in the face multiple times and Volk shaking his head in response showing obvious immediate impact of Islam's strikes or it could be successful execution of takedowns, achievement of advantageous positions, and submission attempts such as Islam executing a double leg takedown on Volk, taking his back, moving him across the cage, locking in a body triangle and trying to choke him unconscious. What is not effective striking and grappling? Flailing around yelling helplessly like a child because you can't move, such as Volk and probably you most nights.

[MiscValuePlayer]

Volk did a great job I'll leave it at that. Fook islam tho

[bicmane789]

If they were in the same position for 5 rounds and volk bloodied his face up he still would have lost 5 rounds according to you because he was on his back against a guy doing nothing with it

are you retarded? islam made a few attempts at a rear naked choke. making attempts but failing is NOT doing nothing.

besides having his back, the only better position would be full mount.

why would islam risk that when volk is already completely controlled.

you stay in that controlled position and work the sub.

if it was "doing nothing" ref would've stood them up.

you are so casual you dont know whats happening..

[ninetynine8]

bicmane is obvious neckbeard troll

he's still replying to my old posts lmao. definitely a troll

[bicmane789]

he's still replying to my old posts lmao. definitely a troll

i just scrolled up a little and saw more retarded words from you lol.

gotta educate my lil casual

[bicmane789]

It's not on volk to risk getting out when he's the one doing more damage. Stop quoting volk when you'll cherry pick some things he says but not all of it

holy chit. how ignorant can you be.

it's not on volk to risk getting out when his back is taken?

so you stay in a dangerous position where most people get subbed from, while having most of your body controlled?

you are literally the troll, just sayin

go watch boxing, you don't understand MMA at all

[ninetynine8]

holy chit. how ignorant can you be.

it's not on volk to risk getting out when his back is taken?

so you stay in a dangerous position where most people get subbed from, while having most of your body controlled?

you are literally the troll, just sayin

go watch boxing, you don't understand MMA at all

he wasn't in danger, he was at first but then islam wore himself out after not being able to rnc and just rested on him.

go look through my posts and see who the casual is big guy, i've made far more money than you in accurate predictions. 'Muh i'm a fighter lmao' you're embarrasing. Entire argument is about the ACTUAL RULES but you keep saying 'muh control muh control'.

Not responding to you anymore, pce.

[bicmane789]

he wasn't in danger, he was at first but then islam wore himself out after not being able to rnc and just rested on him.

go look through my posts and see who the casual is big guy, i've made far more money than you in accurate predictions. 'Muh i'm a fighter lmao' you're embarrasing. Entire argument is about the ACTUAL RULES but you keep saying 'muh control muh control'.

Not responding to you anymore, pce.

lol at cejudo saying the exact same thing as me about the round

[bicmane789]

lol at cejudo saying the exact same thing as me about the round

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLiBGcZMnmU