"Unhealthy" vs "Healthy" foods.

[wanaBsedated]

i can guarantee you know diddly squat about biochemistry. What does the liver convert fructose into?

Fat and glucose. Via gluconeogenesis. It is an inefficient pathway by its basic chemical process you will store a certain percent as fat before its available for use or ..it will be stored in your liver to be converted to glucose if it is not needed immediately. It has almost 0 effect on insulin and can not be utilized without passing through your liver.

[Neg_Train]

eating clean just makes me feel better both mentally and physically.

I always feel like **** immediately afterwards after a fast food meal

[wanaBsedated]

I only came in on this page but you are the only person out of the 30 posts i've read that isn't so unbelievably ignorant it makes me sad



Phd in pharmacology and major in nutritional biochemistry actually. And practicing Hospital pharmacist.

I would be fascinated in eharing how you think the metabolism of fructose is relevent whatsoever . . .

. . . go!

I have 0 respect for your credentials. There are many more MD's against your bull****. Go to more conferences.

[mchabs]

sort of agree with op

im not saying i dont eat chicken and brown rice. but im not saying i dont also eat a ton of other **** considered "unhealthy" like fast food and takeout.

i'd rather have sh*t in my body then nothing in my body.

[rhadam]

Fat and glucose. Via gluconeogenesis. It is an inefficient pathway by its basic chemical process you will store a certain percent as fat before its available for use or ..it will be stored in your liver to be converted to glucose if it is not needed immediately. It has almost 0 effect on insulin and can not be utilized without passing through your liver.

Sorry bro, i have sum bad newz.

http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/0...tose-alarmism/

[TheJediBrah]

I have 0 respect for your credentials. There are many more MD's against your bull****. Go to more conferences.

You've already proven in this thread that you don't know basic elementary school nutrition that my 9 year old nephew would laugh at you for. Why would I care about your respect?

[wanaBsedated]

A diet high in sodium, sat fats and sugar makes me feel like ****. A diet that creates less stress on my body makes me feel much better. There is a reason for that. And you're a straight ****ocyte if you discount chemicals that are biomarkers for inflammation. Which are related to nutrient consumption.

[wanaBsedated]

Sorry bro, i have sum bad newz.

http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/0...tose-alarmism/

Lol at link

[leangains69]

I have 0 respect for your credentials. There are many more MD's against your bull****. Go to more conferences.

i use to think like u too. Then I educated my self . Spend some time reading on bodyrecomposition.com


Also like I wrote few posts ago I eat generally whatever I want within my macros and my blood test showed everything is fine actually perfect . My doctor said " whatever you eat keep eating " just learn balance like all things in life

[rhadam]

Lol at link

Exactly what i expected from someone of your intelligence. It's not my fault you don't even understand the material presented in that link. Maybe if you studied just a bit harder in school you wouldn't be at such a disadvantage in debates like this. That link wrecked anything you have to say regarding fructose.

Edit: Do you even know that liver glycogen breaks down during training and liver glycogen status is a strong anabolic and anti-catabolic signal? No, you don't. Idiot.

[Bonkies]

lol, always found it weird that people are afraid of sugar and fructose but don't mind getting yucky as fck on the weekends.

[TheJediBrah]

A diet high in sodium, sat fats and sugar makes me feel like ****. A diet that creates less stress on my body makes me feel much better. There is a reason for that. And you're a straight ****ocyte if you discount chemicals that are biomarkers for inflammation. Which are related to nutrient consumption.

This thread isn't about diet

it's about individual foods being inherently "unhealthy"

how can you not get that

[Nvrlift]

Fat and glucose. Via gluconeogenesis. It is an inefficient pathway by its basic chemical process you will store a certain percent as fat before its available for use or ..it will be stored in your liver to be converted to glucose if it is not needed immediately. It has almost 0 effect on insulin and can not be utilized without passing through your liver.

*an excess of fructose leads to triglyceride conversion.

If this was such an issue for active people that that bish on the 30 bananas a day diet would be fat as phuck. Clearly she is rail thin. How do you explain that Mr. Biochemistry?

[TheJediBrah]

lol, always found it weird that people are afraid of sugar and fructose but don't mind getting yucky as fck on the weekends.

It's the media. It has it's phases.
"Fat is bad, low fat diets are key"
Then, "carbs is bad, low carb diets are key"
Then, "artificial sweeteners are bad, don't drink diet coke"

and it keeps going on and on and the general public becomes even stupider and stupider

[butwhowasfeel]

dont know much about healthy vs unhealthy but i just generally stay away from foods that give me acne + diarrhea~~~~~

[Zinjetsu]

i just consider unhealthy foods as foods that, if they were to make a large part of your diet, would not be good for your state of health

[AlbinoScience]

dont know much about healthy vs unhealthy but i just generally stay away from foods that give me acne + diarrhea~~~~~

what foods give you acne?

[wanaBsedated]

*an excess of fructose leads to triglyceride conversion.

If this was such an issue for active people that that bish on the 30 bananas a day diet would be fat as phuck. Clearly she is rail thin. How do you explain that Mr. Biochemistry?

Fructose through its trip through your liver gets converted into usable carbohydrate and fat. The reactions that take place send a certain percentage of every gram you eat to your fat cells. Its unavoidable. And the person you mentioned is a distance athlete if I'm not mistaken.

Either way ..a gut full of **** fat will make you sluggish. A diet high in simple sugars will put u at risk for various diseases.

If you're burning enough calories through activity you will blunt a lot of the negative effects. But you wont benefit nearly as much as if you ate like an athlete.

And bananas are what about 30% fructose?

[TheJediBrah]

i just consider unhealthy foods as foods that, if they were to make a large part of your diet, would not be good for your state of health

This would be the only logical what of looking at it. But it still shows the point that no food is inherently "unhealthy", or is going to have a negative impact on your health just by eating it.

[Brahrker]

why do people say 'caloric dense' foods.. for a food to be 'caloric dense' it has to have high fat.. just say high fat. Unless im missing something and theres carb items which are like 90 carbs/100g

[butwhowasfeel]

what foods give you acne?

dairy, wheat and foods with a lot of processed sugar

not sure if this is broscience but i haven't had pimples ever since i cut out all of this from my diet

but das jus me + im lactose intolerant and have celiac disease so that might be a big factor lol

[wanaBsedated]

It's the media. It has it's phases.
"Fat is bad, low fat diets are key"
Then, "carbs is bad, low carb diets are key"
Then, "artificial sweeteners are bad, don't drink diet coke"

and it keeps going on and on and the general public becomes even stupider and stupider

Aspartame is fine in limited amounts unless you have seizure disorder or depression.

[TheJediBrah]

Fructose through its trip through your liver gets converted into usable carbohydrate and fat. The reactions that take place send a certain percentage of every gram you eat to your fat cells. Its unavoidable. And the person you mentioned is a distance athlete if I'm not mistaken.

Either way ..a gut full of **** fat will make you sluggish. A diet high in simple sugars will put u at risk for various diseases.

If you're burning enough calories through activity you will blunt a lot of the negative effects. But you wont benefit nearly as much as if you ate like an athlete.

And bananas are what about 30% fructose?

Bro you are taking biochemical processes, and assuming their validity to support your point in a clinical setting. It just doesn't work that way.
That's how broscience is born.

If want to find out what actually happens in practice, do some research, look at some studies. Don't read a textbook on a biochemical process and think that it tanslates into a clinically significant practice.

[wanaBsedated]

This would be the only logical what of looking at it. But it still shows the point that no food is inherently "unhealthy", or is going to have a negative impact on your health just by eating it.

An abundance of unhealthy food will however cause problems. This thread isn't full of people being objective scientifically. Its people interested in improving their bodies and miscers

[TheeRod]

Eat shiet and DIE mutha fahker!!

[squeak419]

Intredasting thread... As always we don't end with a definitive answer. I wonder if there even is one.

I still am unsure how to judge what is healthy and what isn't. I don't consider my diet very healthy. I literally eat whatever I want to make up my macros and cals.

Sugar hits 200+ most days. I also take a multi vitamin. I don't remember the last time I was sick and get my bloods done annually.

My bloods show everything in the normal range. I feel happy and fit, I wake up feeling fresh and have energy all throughout the day.

All this from a diet which most bodybuilding "gurus" would frown upon.

I don't know what else to say really, not a day goes by where I don't eat either fast food or chocolate, sweets etc etc. My bloods and how I feel show me as "healthy" yet my diet consists of supposedly "unclean" foods.

Not sure how else to explain that...

[TheJediBrah]

An abundance of unhealthy food will however cause problems. This thread isn't full of people being objective scientifically. Its people interested in improving their bodies and miscers

Yeah Bro but as i explained to you already, the point is that no individual food is going to be bad for you unless it tips your diet as a whole.

Intredasting thread... As always we don't end with a definitive answer. I wonder if there even is one.

I still am unsure how to judge what is healthy and what isn't. I don't consider my diet very healthy. I literally eat whatever I want to make up my macros and cals.

Honestly brah, that's all you really need.
If you're hitting good calories and macros, it's highly unlikely that you are going to be deficient in fibre or micros or anything.

[wanaBsedated]

Bro you are taking biochemical processes, and assuming their validity to support your point in a clinical setting. It just doesn't work that way.
That's how broscience is born.

If want to find out what actually happens in practice, do some research, look at some studies. Don't read a textbook on a biochemical process and think that it tanslates into a clinically significant practice.

Sure. But I don't agree with the blanket statement that all foods are fine and its calories in vs out. You can get on pubmed and find tons of **** on diet and influence of tnf-a, c reactive protein... glycemic load, etc VS health. I mean I know I come off as a prick but there has to be some balance.

[TheJediBrah]

Sure. But I don't agree with the blanket statement that all foods are fine and its calories in vs out. You can get on pubmed and find tons of **** on diet and influence of tnf-a, c reactive protein... glycemic load, etc VS health. I mean I know I come off as a prick but there has to be some balance.

Unless you have specific health conditions, none of that matters.

The main reason for that is, IF you have good calories and macros, all the other little stuff, vitamins, mediators etc will just take care of itself. You're not going to get imbalances or deficiencies that will affect your health if you are following calories and macros.

[wanaBsedated]

I myself adhere to the 50/50 rule lately. I will have my big ass salad, some fruit, grains and whatnot ..then if I have room and worked out enough ill have a beer, some cheese, regular ****. If I had more self control it'd be 70-30 "healthy " to not ..but I have hypertension so, I have a reason beyond fitness. Some people need to be even stricter and if I get sicker I'll have to. I just Don ignore how staying well hydrated and fed with some lesa bloating foods makes me feel...