Guilty as charged and no shame about it. Jazz on an archtop with a warm tone is one thing but practically every guitarist I grew up listening to was bending the crap out of those strings, probably because they started out playing blues and being into Hendrix, the Kings, SRV, Eddie, etc. Holdsworth ditched the bends somewhere in the 70s but then he started wanking on the whammy instead.
Of course I get it, a lot of guitarists coming up today aren't good at it and if their vibrato on a fretted note sounds bad it's going to be worse when they try to apply it to a bend so they ditch it and concentrate on other stuff. Some simply don't have the ear for correct intonation and I guess bending leaves them feeling vulnerable. It takes a lot of practice to consistently get that intonation spot on across the neck since every string at different points has different tension.
There's a good reason why slide tugs as the heartstrings and that's what bending should do. I don't know why someone playing an electric guitar with distortion wouldn't want to develop a more "vocal" style and that's not happening without bending.
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Your YouTube video won’t come up for some reason, but my point is that Tosin, Henson, Misha, none of those guys are ever gonna be a Tony Iommi or Jimmy Page.
The music these days just isn’t memorable in my opinion. At least not in the same way as established legends of rock and metal are concerned.
EDIT: NVM the video works nowNo man has the right to be an amateur in the matter of physical training. It is a shame for a man to grow old without seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable.
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09-23-2021, 10:35 AM #1355
Applying vibrato to a note that's already bent 1 whole step can be tricky for me sometimes I admit. Often it works out but sometimes I just fukk it up royally and don't maintain the whole step pitch correctly while vibrato-ing.
It's funny how so many people try to copy Yngwie's speed but when it comes to his vibrato very few ever mimic it accurately
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09-23-2021, 10:48 AM #1356
Exactly what I was getting at and without that he would have been another 80s shredder.
Watch that Doug Rappoport video. He has complete control over his bending and vibrato and unlike some players with chops doesn't panic when he's got to fill the spaces with slower melodic lines. Makes it all seem effortless.
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Yea a lot of rock and metal guitarists that I listen, once again referring to Tony Iommi and also Scott Gorham is worthy of mention. They both tend to use full step bends during fast solos but in addition they apply vibrato when doing bends and it sounds so effortless but when I try it I find it’s difficult to keep the note stable I still haven’t mastered the technique yet
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To be fair we're over saturated with music now,there are way more bands putting out chit.. Plus nothing is new anymore so that old school energy isn't possible to replicate.. I think if Iommi was a guitarist in a rock band now nobody would know who the fuk he is.. Pretty sure Jimmy Page would be bagging people's groceries at walmart
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Excellent guitar solo to be sure, however (just my singular opinion). I find their sound and especially stuff like this to be for a very niche segment of listeners.
Neither of these songs hit you like a classic Zeppelin tune, heck even Dokken stuff is more memorable than this. I’m really not bashing these guys cause they’re far more educated and successful than I’ll ever be in the realm of music. I just simply don’t see the appeal
Give me everything from the 60’s-90’s I just think it’s all better than anything new these days. New music doesn’t invoke emotion in me
I can listen to Paranoid by Black Sabbath and it’s like the 1st time I heard it every single time.No man has the right to be an amateur in the matter of physical training. It is a shame for a man to grow old without seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable.
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09-23-2021, 12:59 PM #1364
"Indeed it goes so heavily with my disposition that this goodly frame, the earth, seems to me a sterile promontory; this most excellent canopy, the air—look you, this brave o'erhanging firmament, this majestical roof fretted with golden fire—why, it appears no other thing to me than a foul and pestilent congregation of vapors. What a piece of work is a man! How noble in reason, how infinite in faculty! In form and moving how express and admirable! In action how like an angel, in apprehension how like a god! The beauty of the world. The paragon of animals."
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09-23-2021, 04:47 PM #1365
"The discipline of suffering, of great suffering—know ye not that it is only this discipline that has produced all the elevations of humanity hitherto? The tension of soul in misfortune which communicates to it its energy, its shuddering in view of rack and ruin, its inventiveness and bravery in undergoing, enduring, interpreting, and exploiting misfortune, and whatever depth, mystery, disguise, spirit, artifice, or greatness has been bestowed upon the soul—has it not been bestowed through suffering?"
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I actually don't think your note choice was bad at all, those fast runs at the end were exactly the type of stuff I'm looking for. You seem stiff about your blues playing for sure though. My strong point is improvisation. I can handle myself ok, I just struggle with lightning fast leads.
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09-24-2021, 07:48 PM #1368
Stiff is an accurate way to describe it. My improvisation just felt stiff and awkward almost the entire time, never really feeling fully in the pocket because I felt like I was mapping out the notes in real time instead of being able to rely on having a strong, contextual visualization of the fretboard already in my head. The fast stuff I attempted at the end is a lot more "diatonic" I think is the word, by which I mean that I play a lot more linearly with easy to play scalar lines that are easier to fit within the rhythmic pulse. Pretty much just metronome speed building stuff.
In your videos your lines have an un-forced fluidity/flow to them, nothing sounded awkward to me. And there's movement to the phrasing, not just stock licks being auto-piloted over the progression. Sometimes blues playing can be tedious to listen to when the player is too much on cruise-control.
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09-25-2021, 04:38 PM #1376
B.B.'s single finger vibrato is definitely impressive. It's expressive and hummingbird quick, I can't even really do it tbh.
Hah yeah I figure that I'll get much more useful feedback if I post a video of the areas where I struggle with guitar.
Agreed, I don't feel comfortable enough to have confidence in my "phrases" so I find myself jamming in too many notes to fill the space. Part of the difficulty is at times I hear really cool licks in my head but I just can't find the fretboard notes on the fly while improvising.
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