My mind is blown at how many of you idiots support gun control

[2k10SS]

gun control does not automatically mean "DEY WANNA BAN AND TAKE ALL OUR GUNS!!!!"

what is wrong with a national gun registry that will track the movement and flow of weapons?
what is wrong with requiring potential gun owners to prove they are capable at handling a firearm like we do with DRIVER'S LICENSES?
it's retarded that any person can go to a gunshow and buy almost any type of gun with no paperwork, no background check, no registering of said firearm, and pay in cash.




hahahahahahahhahahahaha. people like you seriously make me laugh. "murica is da only country with freedums and every1 else is jealous and stupid." please step out of your retarded ass hick bubble for once.

enjoy your patriot act, police state, ndaa, drone strikes of us citizens, indefinite detention for being labeled a "terrorist," corporatocracy, corrupt politicians. strong ass freedoms

[ViolentZ]

Op is a redneck

[RedSoxfan1978]

People should be allowed to have pistols, shotguns, and hunting rifles.

Not ****ing assault rifles

See that is where you are wrong. ANY weapon can be used as an "assault weapon" if you think about it.
Do you think if we gave up all the AR and AK style rifles, that those who seek to disarm us would just stop? They don't want us to have any guns. Period.

They start at the "assault rifles" which is an incorrect term, as a true assault rifle is a select fire, semi and fully automatic weapon. Who cares about the facts though right? Lets make it sensational.

Bottom line is that once they ban or take away the "assault" rifles, they will go after handguns, and other long guns until there is nothing left. It's already happened in other countries and it's already happened in many places here in America.
Don't be foolish. Gun control is not about crime or safety, it's about control.

[KRANE]

Op is a redneck

On the contrary, OP is a patriot that knows his rights under the constitution. It would behoove you to...LISTEN to him. Credit OP for knowing his rights and being willing to stand up for them.

[Mlrc]

To preface what I'm going to say, where I come from, "gun control" and "banning guns" are two entirely separate entities (at least in my eyes), so when I say gun control, I'm merely referring to regulation. Anyway, I don't have a problem with gun ownership. Even if I didn't agree with it, it's impossible to ban guns in the United States regardless. What I don't agree with, however, is that a 24 year old medical student was able to easily and most importantly *legally* obtain a Smith and Wesson M&P 15 semi-automatic rifle and a 100 round drum magazine. If anyone can present me with a reason that anyone, not just James Holmes, can buy a semi-automatic rifle and 100 round drum magazine legally, beyond "the 2nd amendment says we can", I'd love to hear it. Unless you're repelling bands of marauding Taliban fighters from your booby-trapped third story apartment on a regular to semi-regular basis, the only other reason I can think of having, above all, a 100 round drum magazine, is to shoot up a public location.

[wujustyle]

To all those saying "Hey I'm from country X, we have stricter gun control laws, we have less crime!" I present to you Switzerland: Every single male when undergoing mandatory military service is given a M-57 they must keep in their house. The government also sells excess weaponry to citizens. They have extremely lax gun control laws.

Result? Switzlerland has the lowest gun crime rate in the WORLD.

http://news.***.co.uk/2/hi/1566715.stm

There is more to the gun problem then "Place restrictions on guns! Less people will die!"

For example when the United States invaded Iraq, it destabilized a lot of neighboring countries including Turkey, Syria, etc.. because guns started to be smuggled into those countries which raised gun crime rates.

You might notice the United States has a country called Mexico South of its border that is heavily destabilized. Criminals would still get guns from illegal trade with Mexico similar to how we get a sh!t ton of other drugs. **** half of you Americans against gun control probably smoke pot imported from Drug Wars down in Mexico. Shows how great prohibiting illegal substances worked out eh?

Or how about steroids which are illegal? As a result of being illegal and sensationalist reporting, more people misuse steroids and end up with a **** ton of problems. Whereas if it were legalized and we could educate citizens about it, and it could be used responsibly.

Time and time again prohibiting and banning various materials always has led to abuse, organized crime formation, an INCREASE in crime rates and so on.

If we did a good job educating all citizens like Switzerland does with guns, then we wouldn't have a problem. Gun control isn't the answer.

[roflobster]

Also, no need for the insults of America. It makes you seem insecure and jealous.

america needs to be insulted because it is not the perfect mecca of freedom that many people seem to think it is. i'm not insecure or jealous, i live in america

i aint even mad bro. it's imaginary points on a bb forum. it just seems you can't make a valid argument

[mmaoz]

It's not that you're retarded you're just naive.

Example: I have my CCW and carry my handgun with me at times. She had never been around guns before and thought it was completely unnecessary and the gun was "scary" to her.

I took her to the range and she loved shooting it. She got good at it and enjoyed shooting at targets. She is now a gun owner and is wanting to get her CCW as well.

My point is guns are banned in your country so you see them as some big scary dangerous things. Americans grow up around them and they are not the big scary deal they are to you foreigners. With that being said, I wish ignorant foreign people would stop arguing with Americans over gun control when they have literally never even shot one. Do you see American people arguing with you over the laws of your country when we have no real experience with them?

[WiggyWanka]

brb I need my gun to defend our constitution from communism herp
brb but the bad guys have guns derp

You wonder why there are so few college massacres / cinema massacres etc in countries where guns are not widely available?
Because guns are not widely available.

Dude, really? Your home town is Chicago and you are saying this? Your city has the most restrictions on guns and your murder rate is through the roof. Please defend gun control some more....

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...ecord-low.html

o rly

not my sense of things, certainly not on the misc.

here's a recent article about something related:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windso...or-border.html
Americans with guns at border use 'cultural difference' defence
Windsor, Ont., lawyer says loaded handguns 'standard additional equipment' in U.S.

Where in that article does it address the part of my post that you bolded?

[LashGordon]

dude every fukking chick ive ever known who's lived in chicago has been robbed at knifepoint or gunpoint. and chicago has strict gun laws...

Chicago does not have border controls though, so guns are still clearly easily obtained. I have had a gun put in my face in Chicago, had I been carrying or any of the girls you've mentioned been carrying would they not have been robbed at gun point?

Can you further explain what is so "herp derp" about those two points?



Source of trends, charts, comparable economy, comparable population, comparable government?

You're constitution is not under threat from communism, and even if it was, you owning a gun is not going to effect that in todays democratic society. It's not the wild west any more. Changes to constitutions and laws are made in court rooms, not by someone pointing a gun.

The bad guys have guns. This is why the police are armed, there is no need for civilians to be armed.

Trends: Take school shootings for example. Look at notable shootings section in this article. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shooting

Dude, really? Your home town is Chicago and you are saying this? Your city has the most restrictions on guns and your murder rate is through the roof. Please defend gun control some more....

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...ecord-low.html

As I stated, gun control on a city basis is useless unless surrounding states, cities etc are in the same kind, otherwise guns will still be easily accessible. Also, I'd say our high murder rate is a direct result of a rather large collection of Urban-Youths and no amount of regulation can control that.

[Uncle-Phil]

It's mainly retard foreigners who have never known the freedom of owning guns in their lifetime and don't know what they're missing. I expect this from you idiots, it's not your fault, you just don't know any better.

What's blowing my mind is how many US bro's support some form of gun ban. You *******s should be ashamed of yourselves! Do you have any education of our country's history besides what public school taught you in 7th grade? What about world history? How many times since the invention of the gun has a populace been disarmed and then had Communism or worse forced on them? The 2nd Amendment is not about hunting either you fuks, it's about being able to stand up to a tyrannical government! I literally can not wrap my head around how you could be a proponent of the government taking away yet ANOTHER of our freedoms. So 12 people died, ok. How many people were able to fend off an intruder in their home over the past year because they had the right to own a gun? 100? 200? 300? more?

Dear Diary, the Misc is approx. 50% *******s.

The End

I'm a gun owner and an immigrant, although I'm a US citizen now so I'll say that you're wrong about "foreigners" being against gun ownership. From my view, it's mostly democrats and liberals (Which do contain a large amount of equality delusional people from all places).

Most of my military buddies came from other countries and support gun ownership.

You have a good message, but it's filled with stupid right wing bigotry which completely discredits you. Srs...

[January912]

[OhioStateBucki]

The war on drugs worked! The war on terror worked! Time for a war on guns!






















waitwut

[WiggyWanka]

america needs to be insulted because it is not the perfect mecca of freedom that many people seem to think it is. i'm not insecure or jealous, i live in america

So the people need to be insulted in order for them to realize that they are not as free as they think they are but you are insulting people who are trying to preserve their 2nd amendment right to keep their freedoms? What a mind**** that is...

What am I assuming?

[Internexus]

america needs to be insulted because it is not the perfect mecca of freedom that many people seem to think it is. i'm not insecure or jealous, i live in america



i aint even mad bro. it's imaginary points on a bb forum. it just seems you can't make a valid argument

I don't believe it to be perfect at all, however on the contrary if you aren't fond of it you are more than welcome to GTFO.

[Judgment]

You're constitution is not under threat from communism, and even if it was, you owning a gun is not going to effect that in todays democratic society. It's not the wild west any more. Changes to constitutions and laws are made in court rooms, not by someone pointing a gun.

Even if it isn't, we have the 2nd amendment to be ready for when some one tries to contest that. It is important so we can defend ourselves from the tyranny of government and people.

The bad guys have guns. This is why the police are armed, there is no need for civilians to be armed.

Doesn't matter, we have the 2nd amendment. The police aren't always going to be there during an event and giving that power to only government agencies just makes tyranny easier.

Trends: Take school shootings for example. Look at notable shootings section in this article. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shooting

No matter if weapons are banned or not things like this will happen. Look at poor countries. They are armed by illegal gun runners. Why would it be any different here?

[mmaoz]

What am I assuming?

for starters you think guns are outright banned

[Internexus]

You're constitution is not under threat from communism, and even if it was, you owning a gun is not going to effect that in todays democratic society. It's not the wild west any more. Changes to constitutions and laws are made in court rooms, not by someone pointing a gun.

The bad guys have guns. This is why the police are armed, there is no need for civilians to be armed.

Are you trying to tell me that the bad guys specifically target police officers so it's okay for a civilian to be unarmed? WTF kinda logic is this, if YOU yourself were in a situation where there is a man about to break into your home and you have the option to a) have a gun or b) have nothing, you are going to choose b, because the police are armed and will save you? Interesting...

[livetobuild]

Americans I understand if you may need to protect yourselves against the government at some point. lettuce be reality your governments is more corrupt then IRAQ in terms of control over media and freedom of speech which is of course backed by there own personal agenda. listen I am not blaming you civilians here but the government and dem jews... oh man dem jews they control you nikkas like chained up dog.

However ive been looking into Ron Paul and I think he can change this.

Ron Paul 2012!!

[Metalhead44]

Not having the same view/perspective as you=idiot

That has to be one of the most ignorant things i've ever heard.Instead of saying oh if you don't believe what i believe you're an idiot,you should listen to what other people have to say to gain perspective you don't have to agree just understand where they are coming from.

[jibzz]

I used to be against Americans having guns in their homes but now I feel that it is essential. Everyman should have the right to protect themselves, and I have a feeling thatall these shootings are going to be used for he who must not be named to pass a law that breaks more constitutional rights of US citizens. Do you know how easy it would be for the authorities to stroll in and do as they please? Wih citizens armed they would think twice. The right to bear arms is fundemental. Those that haven't read the constiution should sit down and attempt to do it. They weren't put there by accident.

[Uncle-Phil]

See that is where you are wrong. ANY weapon can be used as an "assault weapon" if you think about it.
Do you think if we gave up all the AR and AK style rifles, that those who seek to disarm us would just stop? They don't want us to have any guns. Period.

They start at the "assault rifles" which is an incorrect term, as a true assault rifle is a select fire, semi and fully automatic weapon. Who cares about the facts though right? Lets make it sensational.

Bottom line is that once they ban or take away the "assault" rifles, they will go after handguns, and other long guns until there is nothing left. It's already happened in other countries and it's already happened in many places here in America.
Don't be foolish. Gun control is not about crime or safety, it's about control.

This...


According to these people seeking gun control.

This M14 is an innocent hunting rifle which is ok:






But this one should be banned because it's "scary and military style":

[ZzBrahh]

Came in expecting another dumba$$ tard OP, I was wrong as phuck. When you *******s get it through your head that nobody is taking the guns from the population of the US then the sooner you will have a damned clue. MILLIONS of us own a gun and the majority own NUMEROUS guns, there would be an endless bloodbath to try and confiscate any of the guns, including there are enough people out there that would flip their sh!t and go straight for those that tried to instill such a law in the first place.

Its already happened.


New Orleans, hurricane Katrina brah

[WiggyWanka]

for starters you think guns are outright banned

And I have been corrected to "heavily restricted". I will admit I did 0 research and used a generalization, but I believe my point is still valid.

[KRANE]

The war on drugs worked! The war on terror worked! Time for a war on guns!






















waitwut

It started with just one illegal drug back in 1875 and has grown to...well you do the math, I lost count.

The will of the people run the country, not the government, nor the feds. Never forget that. The founding Fathers know well what they were doing.

[jibzz]

Americans I understand if you may need to protect yourselves against the government at some point. lettuce be reality your governments is more corrupt then IRAQ in terms of control over media and freedom of speech which is of course backed by there own personal agenda. listen I am not blaming you civilians here but the government and dem jews... oh man dem jews they control you nikkas like chained up dog.

However ive been looking into Ron Paul and I think he can change this.



Ron Paul 2012!!

If you belivee this then you need a reality check mate. 1 man cannot change a whole system. RP can't do anything.

[RyzinEnagy]

Chicago does not have border controls though, so guns are still clearly easily obtained. I have had a gun put in my face in Chicago, had I been carrying or any of the girls you've mentioned been carrying would they not have been robbed at gun point?

And that one main reason why America is not comparable to the rest of the first world. No other first-world country has Mexico bordering it, where guns are so easily obtained by criminals.

You're constitution is not under threat from communism, and even if it was, you owning a gun is not going to effect that in todays democratic society. It's not the wild west any more. Changes to constitutions and laws are made in court rooms, not by someone pointing a gun.

The bad guys have guns. This is why the police are armed, there is no need for civilians to be armed.

Trends: Take school shootings for example. Look at notable shootings section in this article. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shooting



As I stated, gun control on a city basis is useless unless surrounding states, cities etc are in the same kind, otherwise guns will still be easily accessible. Also, I'd say our high murder rate is a direct result of a rather large collection of Urban-Youths and no amount of regulation can control that.

And that is the other main reason why America's crime rate is the highest in the first world. Not because of gun rights.

Comparing gun crime with gun laws directly and making conclusions on said gun laws based on this alone is an incredibly flawed methodology.

[Hercul3s]

On the contrary, OP is a patriot that knows his rights under the constitution. It would behoove you to...LISTEN to him. Credit OP for knowing his rights and being willing to stand up for them.

Being pro-gun control has nothing to do with patriotism. Patriotism simply means supporting your country, if you support gun control because you think it will benefit the people of your country then you are being patriotic.

And that is the other main reason why America's crime rate is the highest in the first world. Not because of gun rights.

Comparing gun crime with gun laws directly and making conclusions on said gun laws based on this alone is an incredibly flawed methodology.

But blaming a difference in crime rates due to different racial demographics is sound logic?

[FeFocus]

BRB banning guns
BRB every bad guy still has a gun
BRB zero problems solved
BRB higher taxes to pay for the war on guns which will inevitably fail

[livetobuild]

Are you trying to tell me that the bad guys specifically target police officers so it's okay for a civilian to be unarmed? WTF kinda logic is this, if YOU yourself were in a situation where there is a man about to break into your home and you have the option to a) have a gun or b) have nothing, you are going to choose b, because the police are armed and will save you? Interesting...

I choose b either way. listen if a criminal comes into my house and there could be multiple of them carrying a gun. ID RATHER NOT HAVE A GUN BATTLE IN MY HOUSE RISKING THE LIFE OF MY FAMILY AND I OVER A DAMM TV OR STEREO! sometimes you got to know when to fold your cards and step down.