People being less religious=beginning of the end for society

[eyebrowbrah]

why people negging me for this. it was just an opinion u fuks

[g0time]

Excelent point. But the question remains: on what morality is that statement based on i.e. objective morality or non-objective morality?

objective morality


sam harris cam to that conclusion based on logic. the worst possible universe is where every being suffers as much as possible, so logical conclusion is one where no being suffers or suffers as little as possible

[Neceseco]

it's too late brah. you can't decide to bring back religion like that. it's collapsing. our future descendants will regard us like we do with tribal religions today.

[Jellymerlin]

silly shill. Religion has caused more pain, suffering, and killings than any disease combined. pls go snake oil salesman

[GoetheSaid]

objective morality


sam harris cam to that conclusion based on logic. the worst possible universe is where every being suffers as much as possible, so logical conclusion is one where no being suffers or suffers as little as possible

I thought "objective" meant something you could point to and measure, how do you measure suffering and how do you determine what the "worst possible universe" is?

[blckndyllw]

Global peace index

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Peace_Index



interestingly the most religious countries rank at the bottom and the least religious at the top.

[g0time]

I thought "objective" meant something you could point to and measure, how do you measure suffering and how do you determine what the "worst possible universe" is?

as far as measuring worst possible universe, can you give me an example of a universe worse than one where every being suffers as much as possible?

objective is tricky, i'll give you that. moreso I mean objective as possible

[LB63]

So you're saying that there are factors that are more important than religion which determine crime rates?

I agree!

LMAO TOUCHE! but I think in places with low quality of life, religion might be the only thing stopping mass crime. this is only speculation though

[TeddyAtlus]

The West is getting fed up with Christianity due to the hypocrisy, corruption, and exploitation of the religion. Personally, I don't think it's a bad thing. I have nothing against Christianity at its core, but there is no denying the modern corruption of the religion.

[greedyfly13]

non religion of peace

[rk1990]

while i agree and I am very religious. religion has also been the cause of destruction aka crusades by both christians and muslims

[JediRN]

agreed. religion is a must

Yup...and that's coming from an atheist.

[msayson]

Can't agree more with you on this!

Like I said, religion isn't the answer, but it isn't the problem, Human nature is the problem.

If EVERYBODY was religious and righteous, the world wouldn't have problems.

If EVERYBODY was atheist and righteous, the world wouldn't have problems.

The problem is, if you can gain power, there will ALWAYS be someone who will absolutely take advantage of somebody else, to gain POWER.

I'm not saying force equality, or force tolerance, or force anything. I'm saying, the problem cannot be fixed, and most likely will never happen. If you can force people to have equality, tolerance, or anything, there is ALREADY an unbalance, because someone can FORCE you to do something.

Human nature, morality, and righteousness... it's a paradox.

[JustiNtense]

the truth of the matter is, we have religion because it keeps people's animal instincts in order. however now that we have gotten too smart to believe in any of the religious fairy tales people are acting more and more like animals (women being sloots, gay people everywhere, people beating others for no reason). If people were reasonable and smart they would realize this and not act like such animals but because most people are dumb as rocks society will continue to degrade without religion there to keep people's morals in check

So people are "dumb as rocks" because they are starting to be less religious?

lol.


Yes, people are indeed dumb as fuk, but for other reasons.

[TrainBetter]

LMAO TOUCHE! but I think in places with low quality of life, religion might be the only thing stopping mass crime. this is only speculation though

No, you hear people in the ghetto using religion to justify their crime...Men in jail with crosses tattooed on their chest or around their neck...

Certain hate crime is often supposedly religiously justified because "god hates blacks" or "god hates gays" or "god hates redheads"...and it goes on.

[Kaybee93]

No religion = less terrorist nut jobs, less impediment to advances in science, less fanatical religious hoopla, less discrimination, smarter populace (lol, less creationism fairy tales), higher IQs

Lol. Most great scientists were religious. It's a shame you guys learn almost nothing about history or you'd know about the great advances in science brought about by the muslims.

Double lol @ smarter populace. The same enlightened *******s claiming to be atheists are the same *******s too scared to recite bloody mary 3 times in front of a mirror. Such superstition, much intelligence

Dumb people will be dumb regardless of religion. Except religion will at least give them a moral compass

[Lpenny]

Athiest here. I think religion helps hold society together TBH. If everyone was athiest, we'd probably be chittier to eachother and not nearly as unified.

[msayson]

So people are "dumb as rocks" because they are starting to be less religious?

lol.


Yes, people are indeed dumb as fuk, but for other reasons.

Is there any way I can win a mod rep? I feel like my logic and rationality needs more backing. I get ignored too much. hehe srs (no neg pls)

[daPhats]

why people negging me for this. it was just an opinion u fuks

Probably because you went full potato when people gave you facts that disproved your opinion yet you casually dismissed them without regard. It shows you're not being objective and don't want to debate anything. You're being stubborn and ignorant.

[Lpenny]

Is there any way I can win a mod rep? I feel like my logic and rationality needs more backing. I get ignored too much. hehe srs (no neg pls)

Asking a mod for reps is a good way to not get repped

[ingoodtime]

more technology = less crime

doesn't matter if we get more sociopaths, they won't last long with increasing technology.

No tanks jeff
Fuk big brother, I'll keep my privacy and take my chances wit the crime

[changkx]

Anybody that needs a bunch of made up stories to determine what is right and wrong is a potato. Unfortunately we have a lot of potato's in the world.

[ambitionforever]

Are you *******s srs? Every ******* thug I've seen believes in god, they act as if they accept jesus they can do what they want. Religion has nothing to do with morals and it's highly likely that people will care more about this life when they realize there's no after life and this is our only chance.

[Neceseco]

Lol. Most great scientists were religious. It's a shame you guys learn almost nothing about history or you'd know about the great advances in science brought about by the muslims.

Double lol @ smarter populace. The same enlightened *******s claiming to be atheists are the same *******s too scared to recite bloody mary 3 times in front of a mirror. Such superstition, much intelligence

Dumb people will be dumb regardless of religion. Except religion will at least give them a moral compass

just propaganda. at the end they were all persians or anyway their religion was irrelevant. brb Galileo does a discovery -> that's a christian discovery. brb Galileo had a beard -> that's a bearded discovery.

[BetaThanU]

Because religion has kept people in line so far..

[NZninja101]

As a non religious person, I'd like to see the outcome of a relatively unreligious world before deciding that its a worse place to be in.

[dtugg]

Lol. Most great scientists were religious. It's a shame you guys learn almost nothing about history or you'd know about the great advances in science brought about by the muslims.

LOL, Einstein certainly wasn't religious nor are most scientists today. Newton is the only scientist the equal of Einstein. He was a Christian but he also lived during a time when nobody knew chit.

Double lol @ smarter populace. The same enlightened *******s claiming to be atheists are the same *******s too scared to recite bloody mary 3 times in front of a mirror. Such superstition, much intelligence

I have no fear whatsoever of doing that. Fuk, I'd offer my soul to the devil just for the lulz. That's how sure I am that religiou is bullchit.

[VBogdanovic]

I could say that i partly agree with what OP is saying. Personally, without the notion of being religious, i myself would admit to possibly being a worse person. I could also guarantee that for a lot of my friends that are religious as well. I honestly don't see why people have such a butthurt urge to bash on other people's religious beliefs. It really serves as a strong moral compass that has led me to essentially think of others before myself, honor and respect the people i know, hold judgement, and also fire my urge to help others through charitable actions. Without my religious beliefs, quite frankly, none of those would matter to me as much if at all. From a non-biased perspective, the notion of a world without religion essentially means a world without purpose.. which many could not begin to handle. It's funny though, as much as atheists bask in their intellectual "superiority", i feel that deep down they really are clueless beings that really are nervous/bitter at the fact that someone claims they have "figured it out".

That is just my 2 cents.

[ant885]

Lol. Most great scientists were religious. It's a shame you guys learn almost nothing about history or you'd know about the great advances in science brought about by the muslims.

Double lol @ smarter populace. The same enlightened *******s claiming to be atheists are the same *******s too scared to recite bloody mary 3 times in front of a mirror. Such superstition, much intelligence

Dumb people will be dumb regardless of religion. Except religion will at least give them a moral compass

Sure most great historical scientists were religious, until science gave us a better understanding of the world than religion could ever hope to. Post 1900's or so, vast majority of physicists/biologists etc are non religious.

Triple lol @ your stupidity. Study after study has shown there is an inverse relationship between IQ/education level and religiosity. No one is afraid to say bloody mary or whatever hokus pokus nonsense - they'd just feel ridiculous doing so...

I could say that i partly agree with what OP is saying. Personally, without the notion of being religious, i myself would admit to possibly being a worse person. I could also guarantee that for a lot of my friends that are religious as well. I honestly don't see why people have such a butthurt urge to bash on other people's religious beliefs. It really serves as a strong moral compass that has led me to essentially think of others before myself, honor and respect the people i know, hold judgement, and also fire my urge to help others through charitable actions. Without my religious beliefs, quite frankly, none of those would matter to me as much if at all. From a non-biased perspective, the notion of a world without religion essentially means a world without purpose.. which many could not begin to handle. It's funny though, as much as atheists bask in their intellectual "superiority", i feel that deep down they really are clueless beings that really are nervous/bitter at the fact that someone claims they have "figured it out".

That is just my 2 cents.

The problem with claiming that the bible/Christianity is the source of your morality, is that it's fraught with contradiction. For example, the bible condones slavery, commands you to kill heretics, and claims homosexuals are abominations, and a host of other plainly immoral tenets.

Now there are also a host of good ones, such as the golden rule (which was predated by Confucius and some rabbi BTW). The thing is, you don't follow the wicked ones - if your morality was truly derived from the bible, you wouldn't know to not own slaves or to not kill the heretic.

You're cherry picking the good moral tenets out of the bible, and the moral faculty which allows you to cherry pick is derived from something that's not religion (most would say it's evolutionary instinct), otherwise you'd literally follow everything in the Bible because you simply wouldn't know better. Fortunately you do

[johndoejd54]

No, you hear people in the ghetto using religion to justify their crime...Men in jail with crosses tattooed on their chest or around their neck...

Certain hate crime is often supposedly religiously justified because "god hates blacks" or "god hates gays" or "god hates redheads"...and it goes on.

LOL WHAT? People in the ghetto mostly commit crimes for money. Where in your ass did you get that from? How many gangbangers and/or rap songs say "yeayhhhhhhh dis ones fo God" nah its "get dat moneyyyy niggga"


How many people say things like "God hates blacks" show any proof of this please

If anything religion helps people, how many athiest organizations sponsor international mission trips like tons of christians do?