**OFFICIAL** Trading and Investing Thread- Part -X-

[Kane_89]

I mean... personally the fat stack of stocks I liquidated back in August have been chilling in USD this whole time, I'm sure I'm not alone.

Thats what I told this guy earlier. Cash is a position.

Preservation of capital.

[Venom08]

Thats what I told this guy earlier. Cash is a position.

Preservation of capital.

Then how can a top EVER be set if there's so much cash on the sidelines? You really have no idea how the markets work.
All you're saying is that there will be a mad rush to buy stocks with so much cash on the sidelines.
Institutions also are likely to not stay in cash for long periods of time either. They need to be making money.

[Bar182]

Who in their right mind would invest in bonds with rising rates?

[lunchbox12]

Thats what I told this guy earlier. Cash is a position.

Preservation of capital.

Cash cash baby

Saw the writing on the wall in october when my property taxes got raised 10% on my condo and 30% on my duplex. My health insurance is also going up. My income will stay the same. I dobt think many are ready for what is coming.

[dopamine72]

Yeah it could drop even more, but once things start to bounce back there is so much cash on the sidelines right now its going to be a massive surge like venom is saying. When? Who the hell knows....Looks like it'll be a tough time for a while now.

[dopamine72]

From 3 months ago to now my portfolio is down a 30k difference....It just hit that today

Not even phased, srs

[ghostfacedup]

If you think we're hurting, talk to someone who does business in China. Talked to a chick who does tech there, and they have slowed down like crazy and the money has dried up.

Sidenote, their gov't doesn't allow them to use tinder lol.

[WhAtNoWbChSs]

Qqq has broken the Feb lows. Years of gains gone.

[WhAtNoWbChSs]

Buffet doesn't look so smart anymore with his craapl buy in february unless he dumped which he didn't.

He also fuked up buying banks a few weeks ago.

[WhAtNoWbChSs]

These bears are overstaying their welcome down here.

[ghostfacedup]

These bears are overstaying their welcome down here.

Just don't get emotional here imo. Look around the world, we are doing pretty good right now.

[peterplsss]

Looking at the markets every day like:



So fookin glad I pulled out for now and detached emotionally from my investments. Will catch you boyos back on the way up

[Venom08]

I'm salivating at the option chains on SPY and DIA. Currently eyeing the Jan and March 2020 calls. Thinking about the 290c which are currently $4.80. By the time we get to 21600 on the djia, those should be around half that. Just knowing they were ITM a few months ago is hnnnggggg. They'll prob be $60 itm by the time they expire.

I'd most like this 21600 low to come in January as opposed to now in 2018, since the timing would line up for a 19100 low in 2019 which I don't want as I've already got a decent amount of Jan 2020 calls.

[iifymbro]

I'm salivating at the option chains on SPY and DIA. Currently eyeing the Jan and March 2020 calls. Thinking about the 290c which are currently $4.80. By the time we get to 21600 on the djia, those should be around half that. Just knowing they were ITM a few months ago is hnnnggggg. They'll prob be $60 itm by the time they expire.

I'd most like this 21600 low to come in January as opposed to now in 2018, since the timing would line up for a 19100 low in 2019 which I don't want as I've already got a decent amount of Jan 2020 calls.

You sound like the guys "salivating" over the prospect of 10k btc after it topped out, lol just sayin' don't underestimate the strength of the bear after such a nice long bull run

[WhAtNoWbChSs]

Now some fed idiot comes out and tries to walk it back? How pathetic. Trump should fire all of them if he can.

[Venom08]

You sound like the guys "salivating" over the prospect of 10k btc after it topped out, lol just sayin' don't underestimate the strength of the bear after such a nice long bull run

I'm not calling for anyone to enter longs at this moment. Just watching the numbers. So far the ones Ive been posted get broken and we head to the next level. If 21600 goes, then look for 19100 in January/February which is actually the area where the Nov. 2016 elections happened.
Look at the US$ rallying today too.

[WhAtNoWbChSs]

I'm no big trump supporter as you can probably tell from my posts. But something certainly reeks.

I'm actually starting to believe the conspiracy that part of Powells mandate is to oust trump. Who the fuk downgrades their gdp forcast then hikes rates anyways then says the quantitative tightening is on autopilot? He is trying to crash the market.

Trump is royally fuked now. He tempted fate and is having his ass handed to him. He is going to be needing a deal more than china if this continues. And he doesn't have a hope in 2020 if the market doesn't come back.

[DeusExTerra]

Everyone blaming Trump about this bear market when in reality it's the Fed's fuked up fiscal policy and interest rates that send the economy tanking.

AAPL officially went into "death cross" territory today too, fuark. I sold around 30k worth of IUSG on Wednesday.. glad I'm finally out and can watch this implosion from the sidelines.

[Bar182]

I'm no big trump supporter as you can probably tell from my posts. But something certainly reeks.

I'm actually starting to believe the conspiracy that part of Powells mandate is to oust trump. Who the fuk downgrades their gdp forcast then hikes rates anyways then says the quantitative tightening is on autopilot? He is trying to crash the market.

Trump is royally fuked now. He tempted fate and is having his ass handed to him. He is going to be needing a deal more than china if this continues. And he doesn't have a hope in 2020 if the market doesn't come back.

Nov 2020 is 2 years away the market will be bottomed and going back up by then.

The Fed always hikes rates until something breaks they are more retroactive

[Venom08]

Last month it was trade. Now it's interest rates. It's actually nothing more than a cyclical panic cycle. We were overdue for one of these as the last one was in 2011. Just lol at everyone getting their bear suits on, but that's exactly what's to be expected in a bear trap condition like this.

"We are still in this obsession with interest rates and how people are completely brainwashed with respect to their impact. Wage growth picked up across America and the job market continued to strengthen. The market is still in a position to test the key support. However, keep in mind that should come cyclically in 2019. The obsession with interest rates and that a strong economy is somehow bearish for stocks is really strange logic. When the economy turns down, interest rates fall, but so do stock prices. This is very weird logic to cheer lower interest rates fear rising rates. In a normal economy that is growing, rates rises BECAUSE the demand for money rises for investment. The whole problem in Europe is that not even negative rates have helped because people see no opportunity for investment so they do not borrow. What we must remain concerned about is crossing that line in the Paradox when rising rates reflects the collapse in confidence. Then rates rise exponentially and capital flees to private assets.

The US economy continues to hold up the entire world and Asia and Europe are declining."

https://ask-socrates.com/Blog/Articles

[Bar182]

Last month it was trade. Now it's interest rates. It's actually nothing more than a cyclical panic cycle. We were overdue for one of these as the last one was in 2011. Just lol at everyone getting their bear suits on, but that's exactly what's to be expected in a bear trap condition like this.

"We are still in this obsession with interest rates and how people are completely brainwashed with respect to their impact. Wage growth picked up across America and the job market continued to strengthen. The market is still in a position to test the key support. However, keep in mind that should come cyclically in 2019. The obsession with interest rates and that a strong economy is somehow bearish for stocks is really strange logic. When the economy turns down, interest rates fall, but so do stock prices. This is very weird logic to cheer lower interest rates fear rising rates. In a normal economy that is growing, rates rises BECAUSE the demand for money rises for investment. The whole problem in Europe is that not even negative rates have helped because people see no opportunity for investment so they do not borrow. What we must remain concerned about is crossing that line in the Paradox when rising rates reflects the collapse in confidence. Then rates rise exponentially and capital flees to private assets.

The US economy continues to hold up the entire world and Asia and Europe are declining."

https://ask-socrates.com/Blog/Articles

You say it a bear trap but Asia, Europe and emerging markets will drag the US down with it

[mike.hunt]

My SPY 255 puts I sold last Friday for $6700 would have been worth over $96,000 today.

I used that 6700 to buy JNJ/UPS calls and they are down to 3100

Time for a new hobby I guess, this is brutal

[smallmeatchamp]

My SPY 255 puts I sold last Friday for $6700 would have been worth over $96,000 today.

I used that 6700 to buy JNJ/UPS calls and they are down to 3100

Time for a new hobby I guess, this is brutal

Dont give up!

[Venom08]

You say it a bear trap but Asia, Europe and emerging markets will drag the US down with it

The US will get hit last, probably in a decade. We'll see the DJIA at 70k by the time we get a bear market.

[smallmeatchamp]

The US will get hit last, probably in a decade. We'll see the DJIA at 70k by the time we get a bear market.

What do you mean by a bear market though?

[Bar182]

The US will get hit last, probably in a decade. We'll see the DJIA at 70k by the time we get a bear market.

We are almost certainly in a bear market, the Nasdaq has already gone bear, only a matter of time before the other indexes do.

Goodluck with that.

[WhAtNoWbChSs]

We are almost certainly in a bear market, the Nasdaq has already gone bear, only a matter of time before the other indexes do.

Goodluck with that.

im not sure what venom is smoking but I want some.

[iifymbro]

The US will get hit last, probably in a decade. We'll see the DJIA at 70k by the time we get a bear market.

[DeusExTerra]

Trump wants to fire Jerome Powell. Fkn RIP in peas anyone still going long in the markets if that happens next week.

[Venom08]

We are almost certainly in a bear market, the Nasdaq has already gone bear, only a matter of time before the other indexes do.

Goodluck with that.

Didn't a few indices enter a bear market during the 2011 crash? Sorry, but we're not in a bear market no matter how much you wish. This screams bear trap, there is literally no flashing warning sign pointing to anything like the dot com bubble or 2008 mortgage crisis.

This is still the most hated bull market in history. We will see a slingshot move to the upside so hard it'll turn the charts vertical.


I also see the US$ rallying to ATHs and the Euro heading towards 0. Should happen by 2022 imo.