$550 order, lemme know what you think

[JHICKS3301]

Well this is the supplement section so we should "HOPE" that his diet is in check... But as we all know that most don't have it in check...

But as someone said as above, its his money.. You and your body is only as good as your diet..
Supplements only supplement

[Stubbs928]

I spent 165 bucks last week....i got 15lbs of protein, Primaforce BA, and ActivaTe Xtreme....i thought I was going overboard....

[eagles56]

Looks like you're just stocking up on alot of the basics..I don't see a problem with this..everyone is just looking at the overall number ($500+). Many spend well over that during an 8-12 month period. I know I do.

That's my intention.

$500 and with a goal of building mass

sadly, the whole thing is flawed

explain?

Well said. Er, I mean, X2.

My large purchases of supps help me stay motivated to train by
making sure I don't let that money go to waste sitting in my cabinets.

I've been very consistent with diet and training since I got into
supplements. I can't put a dollar value on it, but surely that's worth something.

Same. Knowing that I put money into supps makes me rethink an extra cheat meal etc and I stay on track better.

Damn, Looks like your going to have everything covered...
I agree with above. Seems like everyone is just looking at the actual number and you'll be set for a WHILE!

I've spent that over a span of a few months...

I know what you mean.

i think that's bull****. your program should be founded on the basic principles, not gimmicks.

agreed!
his comment was nothing more than an excuse to justify any shortcomings in training or nutrition

And these gimmicks are...? It's not like I'm blowing money on glutamine, test boosters, or nitric oxide products.... you sound like one of those people who thinks they're "perfect"...

i know, but i didn't want to say it

I agree with this

Agreed

Success is easy to find, it's down the street from Discipline and around the corner from Consistency.

alright... when did doubting my determination and commitment come into play? I bet your stacks are similar to mine and yet I'm getting reamed out here...

wow man. the superstore here must love you. thats alot of stuff how long does it take you to go through all of that?

haha, I'm actually new to the superstore since one jsut popped up in my area. Good prices on a lot of stuff but I still find Sobey's and Food basics to be cheaper. This stuff should last me at least half a year to a full year.

I'd say spend 50 more dollars, split up the orders into 2x300 dollars, and then put in the 40 dollar coupon savings for each order...

You'll save 80 dollars with this method...

Or split it up into a 300/250 order and save 65 dollars... Plus, you get more gifts...

I thought about it but this way shipping is narrowed down to $12 where as the other methods you'd end up paying a fair bit more.

no creatine?

already have it.

If you're looking for mass and nothing but, the only thing that is going to get you there is bulking. All of those supplements are attempting to make up for your lack of self-discipline but will get you nowhere. Look inside yourself first and correct your own flaws in your training and eating regimen before you blow $500 on stuff that isn't going to do much for you.

I am bulking. I am not relying on supplements, I'm using them in conjunction with food.

None of us even know what his diet and training are even like.Maybe he has a very solid regimen.All of those products work to some degree.A lot of them are even more for general health which is more important.Cod liver,omega 3 and vitmain c are good for everyone anytime.You cant go wrong with beta alanine so I think it looks good.Its his money.

Thanks for understanding.

Well this is the supplement section so we should "HOPE" that his diet is in check... But as we all know that most don't have it in check...

But as someone said as above, its his money.. You and your body is only as good as your diet..
Supplements only supplement

Nobody's diet and training are perfect and depending on the person methods vary. I'd like to believe that I'm doing relatively well considering I'm making linear progress.

I spent 165 bucks last week....i got 15lbs of protein, Primaforce BA, and ActivaTe Xtreme....i thought I was going overboard....

thankfully for me there's free credit. This order will last me a while.


Note to future posters: Please critique the order only. If you see that there are unnecessary products, please share your opinion. I'm open to recommendations as well.

[j_neatherlin]

And these gimmicks are...? It's not like I'm blowing money on glutamine, test boosters, or nitric oxide products.... you sound like one of those people who thinks they're "perfect"...

the basics aren't being discovered, they are well known. supplements are not the basics. training and proper diet are the foundation and they are principled. there are no new principles...only new gimmicks.

alright... when did doubting my determination and commitment come into play? I bet your stacks are similar to mine and yet I'm getting reamed out here...

from your avoidance to commit to the principles.

i am not using any supplements, so my "stack" is nothing like yours. my "stack" is proper nutrition and training

[eagles56]

the basics aren't being discovered, they are well known. supplements are not the basics. training and proper diet are the foundation and they are principled. there are no new principles...only new gimmicks.

from your avoidance to commit to the principles.

i am not using any supplements, so my "stack" is nothing like yours. my "stack" is proper nutrition and training

I understand where you're coming from but you can't deny that products such as creatine work. Would you rather take a teaspoon of powder or eat 20lbs of meat?

Props to you for proper nutrition and training. You have over 10 years more experience than I do and as we all know that this is a learning experience. I'm not trying to be ignorant, I'm always open to advice. I'm sure we both could learn from each other about some things but there's no doubt that you have more experience and therefore have a better idea of what you're doing. I'm not looking for an argument and I appreciate all input.

Reps on recharge to all who have offered helpful advice/suggestions.

[OneBetter]

This should last me almost a year for most supps. I am plenty aware that a proper diet is what really determines one's progression, however, supplements save having to spend a lot on food to get minimal amounts. My diet is relatively solid but I constantly adapt it throughout my learning experience. Here's my order;


2 X Supplement Direct L-Citrulline Malate 2:1, 250 Grams $49.98
(3g+/training day)
2 X Supplement Direct Beta Alanine, 250 Grams $29.98
(3g+/ training day)
1 X VitaMinder Food Scale, 1 Scale $6.99
(Always handy)
3 X PrimaForce BCAA, 500 Grams $86.97
(8g/training day)
1 X AccuFitness MyoTape $4.59
(beats the regular old measuring tape)
8 X Ultimate Nutrition Whey Supreme, 5 Lbs., Chocolate $183.60
(3 shakes/day, enough protein for about half the year)
2 X Supplement Direct L-Leucine, 250 Grams $29.98
(3g+/training day)
1 X Heavy Sports Heavy Grip, 100 Lbs. $15.99
1 X Heavy Sports Heavy Grip, 150 Lbs. $15.99
1 X Heavy Sports Heavy Grip, 200 Lbs. $15.99
(high rep gripper work)
2 X Ultimate Nutrition Zinc, 30mg/120 Tablets $6.50
(*homemade ZMA)
3 X NOW Cod Liver Oil, 250 Softgels $17.67
(2 gels/day)
1 X Higher Power Vitamin C 1000, 250 Capsules $10.49
(split open caps, 1/training day, half on off days)
1 X Ultimate Nutrition Flax Seed Oil, 200 Softgels $8.75
(2/pwo shake - I tried this out once and it seemed to help with recovery)
1 X NOW Magnesium Caps, 180 Capsules $5.98
(*homemade ZMA)
2 X Ultimate Nutrition Super Vitamin B-Complex, 150 Tablets $12.38
(*homemade ZMA)
1 X Higher Power Green Tea Extract, 100 Capsules $6.99
(giving it a try, 1/day)
1 X Optimum Fish Oil, 100 Softgels $3.49
(tried to round off the order, additional fish oil)
Shipping $63.99

=$549.99

Most, if not all, of the money will be from free credit.

Opinions and suggestions appreciated.



*= depending whether or not I feel ZMA actually helps with my sleep based on my previous order of Creatine Mono and homemade ZMA ingredients (which I'm still waiting to receive after ordering on JUNE 9th!).

i don't understand how so many people are giving you crap about your order. i assume you got the credit from the TOTW, what the hell else you gonna with it?

beta alanine, creatine, cit malate, BCAAs/leucine, green tea, fish oil, vit c, zinc and mag are all solid choices and products i usually run as staples in my training/life. (except the cit malate, i can't afford to run it at an effective dose)

if you like the protein and/or it's cheaper then buying 10lbers on bb.com, then go for it. lol at whoever said that the protein would go bad. he said it will take him half a year to go through it. the only thing on there i wouldn't buy personally is the flax seed, but that's really a moot point.

great list.

[OneBetter]

i am not using any supplements, so my "stack" is nothing like yours. my "stack" is proper nutrition and training

so then why even post in here if you don't use/care about supplements?

sorry to be blunt, but this is what this section is for. that doesn't mean people should overlook diet/training.

[italionstallion]

so then why even post in here if you don't use/care about supplements?

sorry to be blunt, but this is what this section is for. that doesn't mean people should overlook diet/training.

Thats what I was thinking too. He didn't ask people to make assumptions and comment on what they think his training and diet might be, just simply to critique what he is ordering.

So you've got

Citrulline Malate
Beta-Alanine
BCAA's
Leucine
Whey
Fish Oil
Flax Oil
Vitamins/Minerals
Green Tea

I don't see why everyone is freaking out so much, IMO it looks like a very solid order, why don't the people who dislike it state what is wrong about it and how to fix it.

[j_neatherlin]

so then why even post in here if you don't use/care about supplements?

sorry to be blunt, but this is what this section is for. that doesn't mean people should overlook diet/training.

i don't venture into the forum much and when i do, it's usually not to discuss supplements. the thread caught my eye when it was listed as recently posted in.

my advice was to have his training and diet down perfect if he's going to use all of those supplements. supplements aren't going to fill holes in a poor gameplan.

[italionstallion]

i don't understand how so many people are giving you crap about your order. i assume you got the credit from the TOTW, what the hell else you gonna with it?

beta alanine, creatine, cit malate, BCAAs/leucine, green tea, fish oil, vit c, zinc and mag are all solid choices and products i usually run as staples in my training/life. (except the cit malate, i can't afford to run it at an effective dose)

if you like the protein and/or it's cheaper then buying 10lbers on bb.com, then go for it. lol at whoever said that the protein would go bad. he said it will take him half a year to go through it. the only thing on there i wouldn't buy personally is the flax seed, but that's really a moot point.

great list.

Guess I should've just read your post, lol.

[j_neatherlin]

I don't see why everyone is freaking out so much, IMO it looks like a very solid order, why don't the people who dislike it state what is wrong about it and how to fix it.

who is freaking out? and where did anyone say that they dislike his order?

plain and simple. supplements are supplements. they facilitate. they are not a foundation. when using THAT many supplements, i just advised that he make sure his foundation is sound.

[italionstallion]

who is freaking out? and where did anyone say that they dislike his order?

plain and simple. supplements are supplements. they facilitate. they are not a foundation. when using THAT many supplements, i just advised that he make sure his foundation is sound.

Freaking out was probably a wrong choice, but by reading the first page of the thread and seeing nearly everypost say something negative or completely disregard the question he was asking is not constructive. I completely I agree with what you just said, and I'm sure 99.9% of the people on here do too, but it still doesnt change the fact that what people were posting didn't help him in the least in answering the question he was asking.

[j_neatherlin]

i guess i come off like a dickhead up on a high horse, but i was just trying to be constructive. i did look at his list and didn't think anything was wrong with it. i'm not all that up to date with some things, like citrulline malate...it was around when i was really "into" supplements (ie spending a lot of money on supps), but it was still relatively new and i'd never tried it myself. at least i don't remember having done so.

that said, even when i was more in the supplement loop, i always suggested that people make sure that their foundation is solid first. no point in throwing supplements on top of a less-than-stellar plan, b/c IMO, you will get better results by improving your plan alone.

i'm not saying this guy definitely has a poor foundation, but if he thinks that training and diet cannot be perfect b/c of new research etc, i just plain disagree with that. there are very minor new things that affect the principles of training and nutrition. the principles are strong and sound and have been known for a while. and maybe i'm more concerned about it, b/c in retrospect, i see the mistakes i've made and the money i've wasted in the past (or store credit in his potential case).

99% of the time when I see guys in the gym using supplements, or even gear, those guys aren't dedicated to creating a solid foundation first. for instance, i have one friend who continues to up the dosage on his "super" supplements and include more and more different types, in hopes that he will achieve what his goals. i helped him create a diet and training program, but when i walk by his car, I see fast food containers, etc littering the floor.

these people are selling themselves short and wasting their money when IMO they could achieve BETTER results through nutrition alone.

i remember the first time i went on a proper diet - i found my own magic formula...and the results were so tremendous the only thing i could think was "this must be what taking steroids is like!"

no lie bro. my gains were THAT good. and again, not trying to blow my own horn. just giving a peek into my experience. i've been training for over half my life. if i had done things right 10 years ago, i would be so much ahead of where i am today.

sorry for the thread hijack. i wish the TS and the rest of yall only the best. i'm sure you will all achieve your goals.

[JIGSAW]

2 X Supplement Direct L-Citrulline Malate 2:1, 250 Grams $49.98
(3g+/training day)
2 X Supplement Direct Beta Alanine, 250 Grams $29.98
(3g+/ training day)
1 X VitaMinder Food Scale, 1 Scale $6.99
(Always handy)
3 X PrimaForce BCAA, 500 Grams $86.97
(8g/training day)
1 X AccuFitness MyoTape $4.59
(beats the regular old measuring tape)
8 X Ultimate Nutrition Whey Supreme, 5 Lbs., Chocolate $183.60
(3 shakes/day, enough protein for about half the year)
2 X Supplement Direct L-Leucine, 250 Grams $29.98
(3g+/training day)
1 X Heavy Sports Heavy Grip, 100 Lbs. $15.99
1 X Heavy Sports Heavy Grip, 150 Lbs. $15.99
1 X Heavy Sports Heavy Grip, 200 Lbs. $15.99
(high rep gripper work)
2 X Ultimate Nutrition Zinc, 30mg/120 Tablets $6.50
(*homemade ZMA)
3 X NOW Cod Liver Oil, 250 Softgels $17.67
(2 gels/day)
1 X Higher Power Vitamin C 1000, 250 Capsules $10.49
(split open caps, 1/training day, half on off days)
1 X Ultimate Nutrition Flax Seed Oil, 200 Softgels $8.75
(2/pwo shake - I tried this out once and it seemed to help with recovery)
1 X NOW Magnesium Caps, 180 Capsules $5.98
(*homemade ZMA)
2 X Ultimate Nutrition Super Vitamin B-Complex, 150 Tablets $12.38
(*homemade ZMA)
1 X Higher Power Green Tea Extract, 100 Capsules $6.99
(giving it a try, 1/day)
1 X Optimum Fish Oil, 100 Softgels $3.49
(tried to round off the order, additional fish oil)
Shipping $63.99

=$549.99).

That would buy a TON of steaks!!!!!!!

[eagles56]

i don't understand how so many people are giving you crap about your order. i assume you got the credit from the TOTW, what the hell else you gonna with it?

beta alanine, creatine, cit malate, BCAAs/leucine, green tea, fish oil, vit c, zinc and mag are all solid choices and products i usually run as staples in my training/life. (except the cit malate, i can't afford to run it at an effective dose)

if you like the protein and/or it's cheaper then buying 10lbers on bb.com, then go for it. lol at whoever said that the protein would go bad. he said it will take him half a year to go through it. the only thing on there i wouldn't buy personally is the flax seed, but that's really a moot point.

great list.

Thank man.

Thats what I was thinking too. He didn't ask people to make assumptions and comment on what they think his training and diet might be, just simply to critique what he is ordering.

So you've got

Citrulline Malate
Beta-Alanine
BCAA's
Leucine
Whey
Fish Oil
Flax Oil
Vitamins/Minerals
Green Tea

I don't see why everyone is freaking out so much, IMO it looks like a very solid order, why don't the people who dislike it state what is wrong about it and how to fix it.

Glad to hear someone else is on the same page as me.

who is freaking out? and where did anyone say that they dislike his order?

plain and simple. supplements are supplements. they facilitate. they are not a foundation. when using THAT many supplements, i just advised that he make sure his foundation is sound.

foundation is solid but there are always possible upgrades.

i guess i come off like a dickhead up on a high horse, but i was just trying to be constructive. i did look at his list and didn't think anything was wrong with it. i'm not all that up to date with some things, like citrulline malate...it was around when i was really "into" supplements (ie spending a lot of money on supps), but it was still relatively new and i'd never tried it myself. at least i don't remember having done so.

that said, even when i was more in the supplement loop, i always suggested that people make sure that their foundation is solid first. no point in throwing supplements on top of a less-than-stellar plan, b/c IMO, you will get better results by improving your plan alone.

i'm not saying this guy definitely has a poor foundation, but if he thinks that training and diet cannot be perfect b/c of new research etc, i just plain disagree with that. there are very minor new things that affect the principles of training and nutrition. the principles are strong and sound and have been known for a while. and maybe i'm more concerned about it, b/c in retrospect, i see the mistakes i've made and the money i've wasted in the past (or store credit in his potential case).

99% of the time when I see guys in the gym using supplements, or even gear, those guys aren't dedicated to creating a solid foundation first. for instance, i have one friend who continues to up the dosage on his "super" supplements and include more and more different types, in hopes that he will achieve what his goals. i helped him create a diet and training program, but when i walk by his car, I see fast food containers, etc littering the floor.

these people are selling themselves short and wasting their money when IMO they could achieve BETTER results through nutrition alone.

i remember the first time i went on a proper diet - i found my own magic formula...and the results were so tremendous the only thing i could think was "this must be what taking steroids is like!"

no lie bro. my gains were THAT good. and again, not trying to blow my own horn. just giving a peek into my experience. i've been training for over half my life. if i had done things right 10 years ago, i would be so much ahead of where i am today.

sorry for the thread hijack. i wish the TS and the rest of yall only the best. i'm sure you will all achieve your goals.

No problem, I knew where you were coming from and can't blame you due to the amount of people who think supplements and hours in the gym will get them a terminator body.

That would buy a TON of steaks!!!!!!!

once again... store credit.



thanks all, those who earned it will get their reps