Strength Standards

[jdude94]

Yes, but the numbers on a barbell are only an indication of strength; a bigger rock being lifted is also an indicator of greater strength. Everything involving lifting focuses on progression; even if it's not measured in pounds or kilograms.

so youre saying that this scale is for comparison of the average Joe, or for athletes that dont work for strength specifically? If thats the case, then yes this would be a pretty good indicator for base strength. But only if you compared athlete to athlete and Joe to Joe.

[Donkeyno9]

Yes, but the numbers on a barbell are only an indication of strength; a bigger rock being lifted is also an indicator of greater strength. Everything involving lifting focuses on progression; even if it's not measured in pounds or kilograms.

Hi, I'm #9. WTF is this?

[DanielBeauchamp]

so youre saying that this scale is for comparison of the average Joe, or for athletes that dont work for strength specifically? If thats the case, then yes this would be a pretty good indicator for base strength. But only if you compared athlete to athlete and Joe to Joe.

Well, I'm only guessing here. It would make more sense to me if that was the case.

[XxFadedxX]

Would you consider a beginner being someone who has lifted for only 7 months but consistently? If so I am over all the beginner lifts.

[Fluster]

This thread is basically the reason they took it out of PPST #2

[canuckinfuts]

Do these numbers take into consideration the weight of the bar?

[beast69]

Do these numbers take into consideration the weight of the bar?

You are lifting the bar as well, so yes.

[Boridi]

Do these numbers take into consideration the weight of the bar?

You are lifting the bar as well, so yes.

"a bar in the air weighs nothing" - DanielBeauchamp

[DanielBeauchamp]

"a bar in the air weighs nothing" - DanielBeauchamp

Yes, that's what I said.

When you explode the bar up, like in a power clean, the bar will be in the air and you will not be pulling on it; instead, you will be getting under the bar to receive it when you catch it. At that point, between the explosion and catching the bar, you will not be pulling the bar up/lifting the bar/doing anything other than getting underneath it; if your form is right.

Thus: A bar in the air weighs nothing. It's much easier to power clean that way, which is how trained Oly lifters do it, then to pull the weight up using your upper body and basically shrug/reverse curl it.

[Farley1324]

"a bar in the air weighs nothing" - DanielBeauchamp

"A loaded barbell does not stay suspended in the air for very long" - Bill Starr



This would indicate that it does stay suspended in the air for some length of time. If it is suspended in the air, does it have weight?

[DanielBeauchamp]

"A loaded barbell does not stay suspended in the air for very long" - Bill Starr



This would indicate that it does stay suspended in the air for some length of time. If it is suspended in the air, does it have weight?

Unless you are pulling on it, no. Which is what I was trying to say.

It's just one way of explaining the third pull in the power clean; that of getting under the bar. Instead of trying to bring the bar up to your shoulders, you should be getting under the bar. If you don't it will become extremely difficult to progress explosively once the weights become heavier. You explode it up, it's in the air, and you get under it. It happens very quickly.

Again, this is what I've been told by Oly lifters; not what I thought of myself.

[G20C]

In the 220 class one would need to total a minimum 1499 raw to be elite by those standards.

[SHOWTIME]

To put things into perspective. If one could hit those elite numbers, one could, in many places, possibly represent his country in weightlifting at the olympics with that kind of strength base. Taking into consideration he knows how to do the lifts of course. Just saying. Those numbers are far from laughable.

Those numbers are laughable, I have done 1 meet and it was RAW and I am close to elite in every exercise with minimal powerlifting exp. There was 18 y/o at the event who would qualify for elite in everything except bench and this was his first RAW meet and he has trained in PLing for 7 months.

These are very low numbers for a powerlifter ( The elite ones) and yes they are higher numbers than I can reach.

it also doesnt state if it is PLing rules or gym rules, like no pause on the bench, breaking parallel on squats, no hitching on deads etc

[Farley1324]

I agree that the chart seems to read high. I am advanced+ on most, intermediate+ on the clean, and I've basically only be lifting since January*.

*4 months in spring 2008, then 20 months off before this year. That's it.

[SHOWTIME]

In the 220 class one would need to total a minimum 1499 raw to be elite by those standards.

which is low, in the 100% RAW federation which only allows a belt, no wraps, no suits, no sleeve, no drugs etc has the 220 elite status at 1551 which i think is fair. ELITE should be something that is hard to achieve not something a person can get after 1 year of training. Elite should be extremely hard to get, hence "ELITE".

[Retardo-pex]

Do you guys feel the advanced strength standards are reasonable?

http://www.muscleandbrawn.com/streng...dards-men.html

I know for a fact I'm not strong amongst other lifters and I'm advanced/elite in every category for the 181. Most of those numbers in the advanced section look like what people are doing after completing starting strength.

I usually go by powerlifting total standards or even what the majority of current strongman contests are using for weight in each weight class. That chart looks pretty low at least for the 181 category.

[Farley1324]

I know for a fact I'm not strong amongst other lifters and I'm advanced/elite in every category for the 181. Most of those numbers in the advanced section look like what people are doing after completing starting strength.

I usually go by powerlifting total standards or even what the majority of current strongman contests are using for weight in each weight class. That chart looks pretty low at least for the 181 category.

I wouldn't go that far.

Well, looking at it again...something betwen inermediate and advanced, yes.

[AmericanPhysco]

Yes, that's what I said.

When you explode the bar up, like in a power clean, the bar will be in the air and you will not be pulling on it; instead, you will be getting under the bar to receive it when you catch it. At that point, between the explosion and catching the bar, you will not be pulling the bar up/lifting the bar/doing anything other than getting underneath it; if your form is right.

Thus: A bar in the air weighs nothing. It's much easier to power clean that way, which is how trained Oly lifters do it, then to pull the weight up using your upper body and basically shrug/reverse curl it.

Force of Gravity:
Fg = Gm1m2/r^2

[Farley1324]

Force of Gravity:
Fg = Gm1m2/r^2

And you are telling us this....why?

[Retardo-pex]

I wouldn't go that far.

Well, looking at it again...something betwen inermediate and advanced, yes.

Yeah you're right, but 1080 for a 181 is not exactly advanced :P

[Boridi]

And you are telling us this....why?

Newton... Maxwell...Einstein... Feynman... DanielBeauchamp and Farley1324

[mankaw]

It sure is interesting.

Sucks though, I'm near the top of intermediate now, but when I was 25, I would almost have made the elite.

[Farley1324]

Yeah you're right, but 1080 for a 181 is not exactly advanced :P

No, sounds more like somebody who somewhat recently moved to intermediate programming, maybe.

[AmericanPhysco]

And you are telling us this....why?

Hahaha.

Newton... Maxwell...Einstein... Feynman... DanielBeauchamp and Farley1324

True visionaries.

[keyboardworkout]

Here are the definitions of the terms Lon Kilgore is using.

http://www.exrx.net/Testing/WeightLi...Standards.html


Untrained

Expected level of strength in a healthy individual who has not trained on the exercise before but can perform it correctly. This represents the minimum level of strength required to maintain a reasonable quality of life in a sedentary individual.

Novice

A person training regularly for a period of 3-9 months. This strength level supports the demands of vigorous recreational activities.

Intermediate

A person who has engaged in regular training for up to two years. The intermediate level indicates some degree of specialization in the exercises and a high level of performance at the recreational level.

Advanced

An individual with multi-year training experience with definite goals in the higher levels of competitive athletics.

Elite

Refers specifically to athletes competing in strength sports. Less than 1% of the weight training population will attain this level.

[Retardo-pex]

Here are the definitions of the terms Lon Kilgore is using.

http://www.exrx.net/Testing/WeightLi...Standards.html


Untrained

Expected level of strength in a healthy individual who has not trained on the exercise before but can perform it correctly. This represents the minimum level of strength required to maintain a reasonable quality of life in a sedentary individual.

Novice

A person training regularly for a period of 3-9 months. This strength level supports the demands of vigorous recreational activities.

Intermediate

A person who has engaged in regular training for up to two years. The intermediate level indicates some degree of specialization in the exercises and a high level of performance at the recreational level.

Advanced

An individual with multi-year training experience with definite goals in the higher levels of competitive athletics.

Elite

Refers specifically to athletes competing in strength sports. Less than 1% of the weight training population will attain this level.

With these definitions I take back what I said, the numbers are pretty good. I would take the advanced athlete in this instance to be a novice/intermediate specialized trainee, as in they may have experience with the weights but are just getting into actually competing in powerlifting, bodybuilding or any other sport on a competitive level, most likely at the end or way past high school level athletics.

[johnsonb90436]

you also have to take in account that when so many strong people gather in one place (this form), they tend to have higher definitions of elite.

[Squinky]

Those numbers are laughable, I have done 1 meet and it was RAW and I am close to elite in every exercise with minimal powerlifting exp. There was 18 y/o at the event who would qualify for elite in everything except bench and this was his first RAW meet and he has trained in PLing for 7 months.

These are very low numbers for a powerlifter ( The elite ones) and yes they are higher numbers than I can reach.

it also doesnt state if it is PLing rules or gym rules, like no pause on the bench, breaking parallel on squats, no hitching on deads etc

2 of you who are elite, hundreds of others who are not.

[SHOWTIME]

2 of you who are elite, hundreds of others who are not.

I am not elite in any of those lifts. I competed at 220lbs on Saturday.

[someonefat]

incredibly low standards