Clean Eating is a SCAM!

[hooked4life]

Once 'clean' is defined, and for whom, then i will provide a clear argument why it is bad.. OR i'll provide one why it isn't. I'm indifferent on the issue. In fact, I hate either/or's and may argue neither, but I'm unable to do that at this point

No, you're making my point. "Dirty" means that it's bad to eat. For anyone, regardless of their goals. It's relegated to cheat day only style. Meaning it's still bad, you're just going with it once in a while.

I'm not trying to be vague or a douche, I'm trying to say that 'clean' is a meaningless term. Clean and dirty is how much you eat in relation what what your nutritional needs are [credit to Dr. Horse for that one]. That's it. I'm asking why pizza is, unto itself, dirty. Answer would be like 'the bread is a simple carb,' 'it's high GI,' 'the fat makes you fat.' Or those kind of things which are, of course, all wrong.

Two years ago I would have gotten all those, people seem to be learning now - which is cool. However, the 'dirty' and 'clean' terms have remained. That's a shame, for a LOT of reasons.

[energenetic]

No, you're making my point. "Dirty" means that it's bad to eat. For anyone, regardless of their goals. It's relegated to cheat day only style. Meaning it's still bad, you're just going with it once in a while.

live by this everyday eating clean in a MUST for the proper physique u want. enjoy the foods u want 1-2x per week and live happy

If that's true, then i feel sorry for poor MAX.MAREK, because I don't think he interpreted your position as such, let alone the rest of the 'cleantards' ITT. In fact, I think the truly obsessive are a very low percentile group who abide by the 'clean' rule, whatever that may be for them, because:

A) They started out with this the day they decided to turn their life around and, big surprise, it's worked for them.

B) They are simply obsessive-compulsive and it fits their lifestyle and their need to obsess over things in their life.

Group A is the only one you'll likely ever get to open up to your argument. However, for some of them, such a change could be detrimental because perhaps it could lead to a slippery slope scenario. I've fallen victim to this numerous times. Add a tub of Dulce de Leche ice cream in the freezer and one night, a few spoonfuls will turn into half the container. We've all been there, and this is why many adhere to strict diets. Will a little 'dirty' hurt? The answer is specific to the individual, not the group.

[energenetic]

to be fair, there's also this third group:

C) The newbs who seek the advice of the the accomplished to learn. They are sponges and if you tell them hemp and pepper will make them big and strong, they'll buy it in bulk and consume it unquestionably. It's human nature and they can't be faulted for that. It's a matter of explaining to these individuals what their options are and let them make their own decision as they'll either fall into the other two groups, or find contentment with the rest.

[hooked4life]

If that's true, then i feel sorry for poor MAX.MAREK, because I don't think he interpreted your position as such, let alone the rest of the 'cleantards' ITT. In fact, I think the truly obsessive are a very low percentile group who abide by the 'clean' rule, whatever that may be for them, because:

A) They started out with this the day they decided to turn their life around and, big surprise, it's worked for them.

B) They are simply obsessive-compulsive and it fits their lifestyle and their need to obsess over things in their life.

Group A is the only one you'll likely ever get to open up to your argument. However, for some of them, such a change could be detrimental because perhaps it could lead to a slippery slope scenario. I've fallen victim to this numerous times. Add a tub of Dulce de Leche ice cream in the freezer and one night, a few spoonfuls will turn into half the container. We've all been there, and this is why many adhere to strict diets. Will a little 'dirty' hurt? The answer is specific to the individual, not the group.

I just read and re-read that and I'm honestly floored.

[energenetic]

I just read and re-read that and I'm honestly floored.

ok? how so?

[MAX.MAREK]

WILL THIS EVER END?! lol

[MrMcCarthy]

Hey Max can you do us all a favor and get out of this thread? Thanks.

[MAX.MAREK]

Hey Max can you do us all a favor and get out of this thread? Thanks.

go play ur boyfriends skinflute then go make love to your right hand mr.fatty. just make sure to not sprain your wankhand...itll interfere with your training.

[MrMcCarthy]

go play ur boyfriends skinflute then go make love to your right hand mr.fatty. just make sure to not sprain your wankhand...itll interfere with your training.

You're 30 years old? Wow.

[hooked4life]

ok? how so?

I just don't see how I can be more clear.

[seanb1979]

anyone for a game of tic tac toe?


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[ilove2run]

anyone for a game of tic tac toe?


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[seanb1979]

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fml

[JValjean724]

Two years ago I would have gotten all those, people seem to be learning now - which is cool. However, the 'dirty' and 'clean' terms have remained. That's a shame, for a LOT of reasons.

The times they are a changing.

I honestly believe that this thread helped numerous people on the sidelines question what they have been told and open their minds. At least I hope it did

fml

Hey man cheer up, its better than a cat game. Nobody likes a cat game

[desslok]

Ok, so let me see if I understand.

Group A eats healthy most of the time with occasional junk food.
Group B eats occasional junk food and healthy foods the rest of the time.

Neither can agree who is right or wrong.
Some argue in extremes making no sense.
Got it.

[MattyH7688]

Let me begin by challenging anyone to hit their macros on burgers, fries, shakes, & soft drinks. It won't happen. Hitting your macros is almost a self-regulating "diet cleaner". Getting some variety across the food groups helps, especially if you plan on getting enough fiber to crap with any comfortable level of regularity. I also think that making a conscious effort (not a neurotic one) to have a variety of foods hedges your bets in the direction of long-term health. In practice, roughly 10-15% of your total calories (daily or weekly - your choice) coming from whatever you damn well want does not significantly hamper progress, and in many cases actually helps. I'll write a long-winded article about it for WBB soon. Bless those guys for their patience in waiting for articles from me.

significance is relevant to who you are talking to.....................

160lb kid who will never step on stage versus jay cutler.. tell me whats significant then


I forgot no one here competes and most barely workout or have been working out for less than three years. So of course I often forget, even though this is bodybuilding.com, 99.999999999% here are beginners and almost no one here is an actual bodybuilder. Its a shame we can't have relevant discussion to actual bodybuilders here at BODYBUILDING.com

[alan aragon]

significance is relevant to who you are talking to.....................

160lb kid who will never step on stage versus jay cutler.. tell me whats significant then


I forgot no one here competes and most barely workout or have been working out for less than three years. So of course I often forget, even though this is bodybuilding.com, 99.999999999% here are beginners and almost no one here is an actual bodybuilder. Its a shame we can't have relevant discussion to actual bodybuilders here at BODYBUILDING.com

So, in order to have a discussion about the physiology of the body, you have to be a competitive bodybuilder? Strong logic there.

[seanb1979]

significance is relevant to who you are talking to.....................

160lb kid who will never step on stage versus jay cutler.. tell me whats significant then


I forgot no one here competes and most barely workout or have been working out for less than three years. So of course I often forget, even though this is bodybuilding.com, 99.999999999% here are beginners and almost no one here is an actual bodybuilder. Its a shame we can't have relevant discussion to actual bodybuilders here at BODYBUILDING.com

Isn't that why they made a pro section?

[eriram]

I honestly believe that this thread helped numerous people on the sidelines question what they have been told and open their minds. At least I hope it did

And really isn't that the point? These threads do come up quite frequently but I think there is something we can all agree on. Most newbs don't use the search function. So these threads will continue to be useful.

[JValjean724]

And really isn't that the point? These threads do come up quite frequently but I think there is something we can all agree on. Most newbs don't use the search function. So these threads will continue to be useful.

Yes, with that logic I can see how the obviously provocative title would be useful, instead of just purposely trying to create a flame war as I originally thought your intention was. But putting it that way it would definitely catch someones eye who was learning

[Dr. Horse]

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[JValjean724]

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I love how your humor comes through even when you are just copy and pasting

[alan aragon]

lmfao, right now Matty's bikini briefs are on fire with all this information, motivation, & supplementation.

[Dr. Horse]

Just sayin', is all.

[hooked4life]

Anyway, it's a really poor argument - we've all seen the Ronnie Coleman videos of him scarfing down Chilies three meals a day. Not that this is the prime reason it's a poor argument or anything... just that the assertion itself doesn't support itself.

[hooked4life]

significance is relevant to who you are talking to.....................

160lb kid who will never step on stage versus jay cutler.. tell me whats significant then


I forgot no one here competes and most barely workout or have been working out for less than three years. So of course I often forget, even though this is bodybuilding.com, 99.999999999% here are beginners and almost no one here is an actual bodybuilder. Its a shame we can't have relevant discussion to actual bodybuilders here at BODYBUILDING.com

So why is a slice of pizza everyday going to hurt your goals. Exactly. Please don't give a speech about taking it seriously, or how I'm wearing too many clothes for your taste.

You want that kind of discourse - fire off.

And yes, I'm aware I sound like a broken record and it's probably getting annoying. However, it still boggles my mind how nobody can answer this question - but still all know it's true.

[alan aragon]

So why is a slice of pizza everyday going to hurt your goals. Exactly. Please don't give a speech about taking it seriously, or how I'm wearing too many clothes for your taste.

You want that kind of discourse - fire off.

And yes, I'm aware I sound like a broken record and it's probably getting annoying. However, it still boggles my mind how nobody can answer this question - but still all know it's true.

A slice of pizza is going to hurt your goals because it's not in Jay Cutler's diet plan. In & Out burger, on the other hand...

[desslok]

I forgot no one here competes and most barely workout or have been working out for less than three years. So of course I often forget, even though this is bodybuilding.com, 99.999999999% here are beginners and almost no one here is an actual bodybuilder. Its a shame we can't have relevant discussion to actual bodybuilders here at BODYBUILDING.com

Breaking news! You can build your body without having to compete. Shocking I know. In related news adults not in the MLB seen playing softball at the same park with non-NBA basketball players, police were called to the scene.

[hooked4life]

A slice of pizza is going to hurt your goals because it's not in Jay Cutler's diet plan. In & Out burger, on the other hand...

Pretty much. For some stupid reason I keep clinging to the notion that if people understand they are following a food dogma they can't explain they might think critically about it.

I am however expecting a comment instructing me to get nakkid' to prove myself.

[seanb1979]

Pretty much. For some stupid reason I keep clinging to the notion that if people understand they are following a food dogma they can't explain they might think critically about it.

I am however expecting a comment instructing me to get nakkid' to prove myself.

you best be droppin dem drawers boy, if'n you know whats good fer yer