5 Secrets we don't want you to know about Losing Fat <<<{(LF CHAT)})>>>

[earthshieldlol]

>Clobbers the weight room this morn due to self-coined elite mini-bulk phase
>feelsbetter_mang.bitmap

and on that day, all was right in the world.

the end.

[Ammex]

FWIW, i still look the same despite being 10 lbs heavier, everything is slightly bigger but i dont look like crap or anything except after packing down a few thousand calories which is to be expected. If i were to cut id be done in like 3 weeks. The key is to having a moderate surplus so you dont spend months cutting...cutting is stupid.

We both started bulking at the same time - and I guess we won't really be able to compare since I stopped bulking and lifting lots and am now maintaining/cutting and doing mostly cardio and body weight - but I made some pretty solid gains with a big surplus and still have blurry abs. My love handles are the only things that really don't look good.

I'd much rather see my lifts skyrocket and have people tell me how much size I've put on then "still look the same despite being 10lbs heavier".

[matman1813]

How big was your surplus Ammex? I'm starting to agree with earthshieldlol that lean bulking just doesn't produce results.


http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=149905393

Is this guy for reals or trolling?

> Has unnaturally elevated heart rate because he is ingesting copious amounts of caffeine.
> Doesn't want to stop taking pills and consults a forum rather than a doctor.

[earthshieldlol]

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=149905393

Is this guy for reals or trolling?

> Has unnaturally elevated heart rate because he is ingesting copious amounts of caffeine.
> Doesn't want to stop taking pills and consults a forum rather than a doctor.

ventured out into the main forum a bit this morning and came across a couple gems from him. honestly i think he's just young and stupid. seems to be open to advice though so hopefully he'll learn a couple things here at least. the thing about the egg yolks though... when i read it i lost it lololol.

[BradKemp]

With some stuff that's already like 45% off, the cyber Monday promo is actualy pretty good. $36 for SizeOn, never see it less than like $65 in stores here. MyoFusion for like $38. Lots of brands apply.

Did you end up buying the sizeon? If you find any other steals let me know.. gonna be a work most of the day.

[BradKemp]

brad, you actually look really solid and not that fat at all. quit being a girl and keep bulking. you could put on a lot more muscle in another couple months and really could put on so much more fat before you even start looking fat imo.

The pic I took was the best one of like 30. I had some that made me look terrible. I was also drunk last night from a grey cup party (Canadian super bowl). Woke up today 4 pounds heavier than normal @ 198

[cunfewzed]

We both started bulking at the same time - and I guess we won't really be able to compare since I stopped bulking and lifting lots and am now maintaining/cutting and doing mostly cardio and body weight - but I made some pretty solid gains with a big surplus and still have blurry abs. My love handles are the only things that really don't look good.

I'd much rather see my lifts skyrocket and have people tell me how much size I've put on then "still look the same despite being 10lbs heavier".

are you maintaining all of your gains now that you're cutting again?

[earthshieldlol]

The pic I took was the best one of like 30. I had some that made me look terrible. I was also drunk last night from a grey cup party (Canadian super bowl). Woke up today 4 pounds heavier than normal @ 198

i wouldn't sweat it too much. it's november, you're allowed to get a little fat this time of year imo as long as you're training hard enough for it to be worthwhile.

[Ammex]

How big was your surplus Ammex? I'm starting to agree with earthshieldlol that lean bulking just doesn't produce results.

Big. Bigger than I'll go again. I blame the dirtiest part of the bulk on being away for a month on course, and on knowing I had to cut it short. I definitely bulked too dirty at the end. I started off gaining about .5-.8 pounds a week and it was fine.

Did you end up buying the sizeon? If you find any other steals let me know.. gonna be a work most of the day.

Did buy the SizeOn but won't be shopping too much today. Spent so so so much money this weekend already. If I do look for cyber Monday deals I doubt it will be on supplements.

[Ammex]

are you maintaining all of your gains now that you're cutting again?

I'm not lifting really at all right now. Cardio and body weight because its what I need to be good at come January. No one is going to test me on my deadlift. So I have no idea where my strength is at. I'm cutting slow so all my size is staying. All that is going to shrink much is my waist anyway. Everything else is still vascular and slightly striated.

[matman1813]

Big. Bigger than I'll go again. I blame the dirtiest part of the bulk on being away for a month on course, and on knowing I had to cut it short. I definitely bulked too dirty at the end. I started off gaining about .5-.8 pounds a week and it was fine.

Fair enough, when I'm in a position to I was planning on aiming for 1lb a week. I've got a big frame and since it will be my first bulk I'm hoping there will be potential for some good gains.

[justanothagirl]

Sup guys? I just went around a few places to look for an internship place. Anyways, I was really stressed out and in city center, so I decided to go shopping to relax. I actually look a lot better than I thought and really not fat when I saw myself in the mirrors. I got a few qt things but not too much since I can buy nicer things on the internet usually.

My new roommate said the same thing, that I'm really not fat (when I told her I started my cutting diet), she's actually really cool. I helped her put together some furniture last night and we chilled a bit. She wants to maybe start training too cos she's really skinny and wants to gain some weight.

[Serpentarius]

Will post tomorrow.

While I realize that cutting is pretty stupid, I find it incredibly hard to put on any amount of muscle without my abs disappearing first. It is incredibly frustrating, and I figured that if I am to be serious about bulking up, I should (at least for a period) be okay with not having a flat stomach for these six months. I am hoping that by end of February, I have enough muscle mass that I can cut and look good, and future bulks would be better.

I can still see mine just fine, IMO you are probably "fatter" than you think you are, i had the same thing happen to me a year ago but i THOUGHT i was fat free but wasnt...just used to seeing a fatter me. You CAN have abs and bulk, i cannot remember your specific history but if you never bulked before this then id say that you probably dont have enough mass yet but you dont have to have any kind of stomach at all.

[bullrider_IL]

Did chest today. 315x6 decline bench. Fck yeah. All my lifts are up after a weekend of eating. DB incline pressed 80x12 and had no trouble getting them off my shoulders. May do some flat bench next week just cuz lol

[z71kris]

what a weekend...Thursday like many of you, I did not track a damn thing, and eat what I wanted when I wanted, and not a single fuark was given that day. Woke up @ 236, and went to bed at 247(is this real life.pdf?) The rest of the weekend, I used portion control, but still ate what wanted up until my calorie limit, and then I pie and ice cream on top of that every night of the weekend, until I ate it all, so it was gone and out of my house I would not eat any more of it as I get back to a normal eating style this week. Was a good weekend...anybody have any good cliffs?

[z71kris]

- got new phone
- took 28 pics
- look disgusting in every one.

Bulk officially over.

keep bulking!

[z71kris]

Just got back, felt so out of place, nobody to talk to, nothing in common with the common folk.
All ive had all day is 12oz of turkey and 7oz of steak so around 900 cals and still need to meet 3400 today and im so sleepy.


edit just had 7 pop tarts. there goes my gains.

lol

[Serpentarius]

We both started bulking at the same time - and I guess we won't really be able to compare since I stopped bulking and lifting lots and am now maintaining/cutting and doing mostly cardio and body weight - but I made some pretty solid gains with a big surplus and still have blurry abs. My love handles are the only things that really don't look good.

I'd much rather see my lifts skyrocket and have people tell me how much size I've put on then "still look the same despite being 10lbs heavier".

i mean body composition, it shouldnt change much at all. i still look the same because i have no fat on me and mentioned everything is slightly bigger. the key is minimal surplus so a cut is only a month long since lifts will go up anyhow over time.
how you look for girls > lifts and fat

[cunfewzed]

how you look for girls > lifts and fat

[cnh57811]

Been cutting for 6 weeks with no supps. Time to activate ec.

[krete77]

Slowly getting back into the gym..ran a mile n' a half today for the first time in 6 months.. 15mins..gonna hit 12min next time.. just needed to get back into it. shot some hoops for an hour, then did some light lifting. man its amazing what not hitting the gym for a month can do.

oh yea i am down to 181...not happy bout it

[justanothagirl]

Fuark, ketchup in my hair. But no time to wash it if I want to get a decent workout in at the gym before closing time. So not going to wear my new coat I guess since I don't want it to stain.

@Krete, good for you for getting back in there, keep it up!

[cunfewzed]

Been cutting for 6 weeks with no supps. Time to activate ec.

Thinking about doing the same. What are you taking?

[Ammex]

how you look for girls > lifts and fat

You suggesting we compare womenz?

[cnh57811]

Thinking about doing the same. What are you taking?

Exactly what is recommended on hotnfit. Working up to 25mgE & 200mgC, 3xday. CVS caffeine pills and bronkaid.

Edit: worked great for me last time i took it as an appetite suppresant.

[Serpentarius]

You suggesting we compare womenz?

being noticed by girls i should say, nothing feels better than thin, average and athletic girls actually checking you out

[Voxmusculus]

I can still see mine just fine, IMO you are probably "fatter" than you think you are, i had the same thing happen to me a year ago but i THOUGHT i was fat free but wasnt...just used to seeing a fatter me. You CAN have abs and bulk, i cannot remember your specific history but if you never bulked before this then id say that you probably dont have enough mass yet but you dont have to have any kind of stomach at all.

Oh absolutely. I know I am actually pretty "fat" right now. But at 143 (yeah, weighed myself first thing this morning on the new scale, with no food), I still have no real muscle mass to speak of. I still look better than I did at 137 (which was basically skinny with love handles and mostly flat stomach), and while the pudge in my midsection is unfortunate, I have very little fat elsewhere.

I started out at ~160lbs, did two cycles of P90X, and came down to 137. But I looked pretty bad because I just had no muscle mass, and it was recommended that I bulk. So, early September, I started my bulk with All Pro's. Right now, my plan is to keep at this through February (6 months).

Here's a picture from last night. Two caveats:

1. First, this pic was taken after I'd eaten food during the course of the day, and my evening protein shake. But I wanted a pic that showed me how I was naturally, not without any food etc.
2. I am not holding anything in -- pretty relaxed. If I tense, of course, I look much better.



While I have made decent progress, I think APs is pretty slow, and I could push myself some more. So, I am thinking of upping protein and doing more than just APs (I've already added some lifts based on feedback from y'all -- deadlifts, lat pulldowns, DB chest flys, cable crossovers).

And I am more than open to suggestions to tweak my workout and diet based on any feedback from you folks.

[bullrider_IL]

Legs tonight's DDDDDDDD-:

[phoenixr2]

being noticed by girls i should say, nothing feels better than thin, average and athletic girls actually checking you out

Can think of quite a few feels better than simply be checked out. Just saying.......

I do understand your point though when its not something you are familiar with.

[moore93]

I want this jacket.

What are your feels.