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[jerzyfit]

The CEH and Sec+ are proprietary exams and the books you buy prep you to pass those exams.

You don't need to pass the CEH/Sec+ or study for them to learn about computer security. You read CEH/Sec+ books to learn how to pass the test.

Like I said, you can learn all about computer security for free by using the web. There's hundreds, if not thousands, of videos out there explaining it all. There are blogs out the ass.

It's like wanting to learn *Nix and someone tells you to pass the Red Hat exam. Sure, you could do that, but it's not required to learn *Nix. You can learn it for free by installing it and going through some online tuts. Hands on is how you learn in IT. You can read 100 books on Python, but if you never bust out your interpreter and write some code, you haven't learned ****.

Getting your CEH/Sec+ is good for employment and I would recommend getting those certs, but the only thing you'll really learn is how to pass the exams. Exams aren't real life. I know too many retards with certs to ever trust them as a sole reason to hire somebody.

I agree that you don't have to take the test, but I think you should still read books and watch videos. Yeah, you can learn Security without reading the Sec+, but it'll help. It'll show you the kinds of things you'll be working with and to learn some basics. IDS, IPS, basic encryption, basic networking, ect. Just like reading over the MCSA book. Will it show you how to do your job? No, because things are always different. Will it give you a good understanding of the Sysadmin world? Absolutely.

[JayC24]

Just got back from my interview, felt like I killed it. Had a good answer for every technical question. Seen 6 people that signed in before me in the lobby already today that had "interview" as the reason also though, I knew I wasn't the only one being interviewed of course but it was an "aw fuk" moment when I seen it lol.

Hiring manager said I should hear something back either way next week.

just got a formal job offer, contingent on background and drug test.

fuk yes. excited as all hell.

[jerzyfit]

just got a formal job offer, contingent on background and drug test.

fuk yes. excited as all hell.

My bruh! Hell yeah. You should just the Groupme man. I wanna hear about that job.

[jerzyfit]

For whoever wants to join the misc IT chat: https://app.groupme.com/join_group/14306732/qGC2LX

Just download the app on your phone and join.

[Meekajahama]

For whoever wants to join the misc IT chat: https://app.groupme.com/join_group/14306732/qGC2LX

Just download the app on your phone and join.

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[sknot1454]

This a handy reference book that actually goes into some real life pen testing tactics. The "lateral pass", "special teams", "The screen", and "quarterback sneak" are all fairly up to date.

http://www.slideshare.net/Riju_Rocks...&from_search=1

It's not much on Amazon, so I'd still buy it as a desk reference.

[Meekajahama]

Anyone here a member of an OWASP local chapter? I'm thinking about attending a meeting but I'm not sure if they are well regarded.

[jerzyfit]

Anyone know of any good Network Security books that cover beginner to somewhat advanced?

[sknot1454]

Anyone know of any good Network Security books that cover beginner to somewhat advanced?

Do you want theory or books focusing on specific tools, etc?

[jerzyfit]

Do you want theory or books focusing on specific tools, etc?

Specific things I'm doing on my own time. Going to do a Snort setup on a Linux VM sometime soon to learn that.

I really need something as a starting point. I was thinking about reading over the Security+? What do you think? I also found this book as well. Let me know if this book is good or just a Security+ book
http://www.amazon.com/Network-Securi...twork+security

[sknot1454]

Specific things I'm doing on my own time. Going to do a Snort setup on a Linux VM sometime soon to learn that.

I really need something as a starting point. I was thinking about reading over the Security+? What do you think? I also found this book as well. Let me know if this book is good or just a Security+ book
http://www.amazon.com/Network-Securi...twork+security

It's hard to say given I really don't know your experience level with stuff like network design, TCP/IP, protocol awareness, the 3 way hand-shake, etc

Here are some awesome books to get you started if you have a basic understanding of Network+ type material.


http://www.amazon.com/Practice-Netwo...sion+detection

http://www.amazon.com/Applied-Networ...H50FY542PGACE4

http://www.amazon.com/Practical-Pack...H50FY542PGACE4

Chris Sanders, the author of two books above, also wrote a bunch of articles for windowsecurity.com, which is another good resource.

http://www.windowsecurity.com/articl...html?uid=50384

I know him personally from working on DoD projects together and he's a smart cat.

The stuff may seem "outdated", but the info is still pretty relevant since most corporate environments are still running win 7/2008.

Here's a site for all things windows event log security

https://www.ultimatewindowssecurity.com/Default.aspx

When I get home, I'll make a list of all of my bookmarks and **** I have going into my RSS feed and will post them up.

[DLM012]

So I got a call and email from a technical recruiter yesterday. I followed up and spoke with her today and I think I did really well answering her questions directly but I'm not sure I'm interested in the opportunity.

Same pay and I'd be starting from scratch getting to know new people and processes for the same pay through a new contracting agency and client. I'm leaning towards turning it down but it's worth at least checking out I guess and keeping my interview skills up to par.

[kundalinii]

So I got a call and email from a technical recruiter yesterday. I followed up and spoke with her today and I think I did really well answering her questions directly but I'm not sure I'm interested in the opportunity.

Same pay and I'd be starting from scratch getting to know new people and processes for the same pay through a new contracting agency and client. I'm leaning towards turning it down but it's worth at least checking out I guess and keeping my interview skills up to par.

yea don't do it

interview skills.. good vibrations.. all good but doesn't seem like a step forward

[jerzyfit]

yea don't do it

interview skills.. good vibrations.. all good but doesn't seem like a step forward

Why not go for the interview for practice? It's absolutely a good idea. Practising interviews and being able to do them good is a big part of getting a job. Definitely do the interview!

[jerzyfit]

It's hard to say given I really don't know your experience level with stuff like network design, TCP/IP, protocol awareness, the 3 way hand-shake, etc

Here are some awesome books to get you started if you have a basic understanding of Network+ type material.


http://www.amazon.com/Practice-Netwo...sion+detection

http://www.amazon.com/Applied-Networ...H50FY542PGACE4

http://www.amazon.com/Practical-Pack...H50FY542PGACE4

Chris Sanders, the author of two books above, also wrote a bunch of articles for windowsecurity.com, which is another good resource.

http://www.windowsecurity.com/articl...html?uid=50384

I know him personally from working on DoD projects together and he's a smart cat.

The stuff may seem "outdated", but the info is still pretty relevant since most corporate environments are still running win 7/2008.

Here's a site for all things windows event log security

https://www.ultimatewindowssecurity.com/Default.aspx

When I get home, I'll make a list of all of my bookmarks and **** I have going into my RSS feed and will post them up.

Sweet bruh. I have so much stuff to review now, so this is pretty cool. Thanks for all the help brotha. I found a sick lab manual, so I have to pick that up as well.

[jerzyfit]

Bought these two books yesterday, my body is ready.

[martoch]

IT dude here coming in to nerd out with you *******s.

[JayC24]

Went in this morning to fill out my pre-employment paper work, drug screen, etc. Had a chat with the IT Manager and another technician afterwards, place seems really chill and laid back. Excited to start Monday.

IT Manager told me I beat out 9 help desk employees they have on staff that all applied for the position, so if I get some bad looks from them to not worry about it. Should be fun lol.

[jerzyfit]

IT dude here coming in to nerd out with you *******s.

uw0m8

What do you do in IT?

[jerzyfit]

Went in this morning to fill out my pre-employment paper work, drug screen, etc. Had a chat with the IT Manager and another technician afterwards, place seems really chill and laid back. Excited to start Monday.

IT Manager told me I beat out 9 help desk employees they have on staff that all applied for the position, so if I get some bad looks from them to not worry about it. Should be fun lol.

Awesome bruh. Just wear a youw0m8 shirt the first day so everyone knows the deal.

[IawI]

Got paid to study for my A+ for about 6 hours today. There was nothing to do so I just sat in the back and read. A good portion of my day is spent studying during the times between tickets.

I got my first paycheck as well. Man it feels good to have a real job that has no problems giving out overtime. It's a very basic position, but with no degree, certs or experience, it's hard to beat. Hopefully I can get my A+ soon and then start working on my Net+ after that. If I get my A+, then I can get 6 credits for school and skip two of the core classes. Man, I love IT. I wish I would have realized this sooner.

[jerzyfit]

Got paid to study for my A+ for about 6 hours today. There was nothing to do so I just sat in the back and read. A good portion of my day is spent studying during the times between tickets.

I got my first paycheck as well. Man it feels good to have a real job that has no problems giving out overtime. It's a very basic position, but with no degree, certs or experience, it's hard to beat. Hopefully I can get my A+ soon and then start working on my Net+ after that. If I get my A+, then I can get 6 credits for school and skip two of the core classes. Man, I love IT. I wish I would have realized this sooner.

Happy for ya bro, keep it going!

[JayC24]

Got paid to study for my A+ for about 6 hours today. There was nothing to do so I just sat in the back and read. A good portion of my day is spent studying during the times between tickets.

I got my first paycheck as well. Man it feels good to have a real job that has no problems giving out overtime. It's a very basic position, but with no degree, certs or experience, it's hard to beat. Hopefully I can get my A+ soon and then start working on my Net+ after that. If I get my A+, then I can get 6 credits for school and skip two of the core classes. Man, I love IT. I wish I would have realized this sooner.

Congrats bro. I am in the same boat, I have a degree but zero certs and VERY little experience from 5+ years ago that I felt like might as well not even be on my resume with such a large gap of time in between. Feel extremely lucky to just get my foot in the door with how competitive it is out there, srs.

[jerzyfit]

Congrats bro. I am in the same boat, I have a degree but zero certs and VERY little experience from 5+ years ago that I felt like might as well not even be on my resume with such a large gap of time in between. Feel extremely lucky to just get my foot in the door with how competitive it is out there, srs.

What's the position for?

[JayC24]

What's the position for?

IT Technician is my title along with 2 others and an IT Tech Lead, but we have 12 help desk employees that work 8-5 with us and at least 4-6 NOC technicians that work rotating 8 hour shifts around the clock so I'm not quite 100% sure what's to be expected of me as far as day-to-day just yet. My "job expectations" that were on the job listing were incredibly broad, anywhere from tier 1 help desk stuff to network and system admin stuff it sounded like. If I get to do a little bit of everything that'd be great.

I'm shadowing the IT Lead for the next 2 weeks and supposedly getting my feet wet starting Monday so I'll know more in a week or so.

[jerzyfit]

IT Technician is my title along with 2 others and an IT Tech Lead, but we have 12 help desk employees that work 8-5 with us and at least 4-6 NOC technicians that work rotating 8 hour shifts around the clock so I'm not quite 100% sure what's to be expected of me as far as day-to-day just yet. My "job expectations" that were on the job listing were incredibly broad, anywhere from tier 1 help desk stuff to network and system admin stuff it sounded like. If I get to do a little bit of everything that'd be great.

I'm shadowing the IT Lead for the next 2 weeks and supposedly getting my feet wet starting Monday so I'll know more in a week or so.

Nice man. Hopefully the salary is decent considering you'll be doing a bunch of different things.

[JayC24]

Nice man. Hopefully the salary is decent considering you'll be doing a bunch of different things.

Not exactly, I was really more concerned with getting in and kinda low balled myself a little since

1) huge gap on resume and very little experience, didn't feel like I had any leverage really.
2) next to zero opportunity for entry level stuff around here.
3) next closest city is an hour and 15 minutes away, that commute would blow so hard. This job is literally less than 5 minutes from my apt, I can get to it without hitting any major traffic lol.

But the benefits are pretty good. health, dental, and vision are all top notch. 401k 50% match to first 6%, pension plan, long term and short term disability premiums are paid for by company, free gym membership, discount off cell phone bill, life insurance policy premium paid by company, 8 holidays plus 1 extra of my choice, after 1 year of service I can go back to school for my masters and they'll pay all tuition costs at my university here, vacation and sick leave etc.

They're also big about promoting within so after a couple years if something opens up I'll be ready to negotiate something. I also still have my marketing on the side so overall I'm sitting pretty well.

[jerzyfit]

Not exactly, I was really more concerned with getting in and kinda low balled myself a little since

1) huge gap on resume and very little experience, didn't feel like I had any leverage really.
2) next to zero opportunity for entry level stuff around here.
3) next closest city is an hour and 15 minutes away, that commute would blow so hard. This job is literally less than 5 minutes from my apt, I can get to it without hitting any major traffic lol.

But the benefits are pretty good. health, dental, and vision are all top notch. 401k 50% match to first 6%, pension plan, long term and short term disability premiums are paid for by company, free gym membership, discount off cell phone bill, life insurance policy premium paid by company, 8 holidays plus 1 extra of my choice, after 1 year of service I can go back to school for my masters and they'll pay all tuition costs at my university here, vacation and sick leave etc.

They're also big about promoting within so after a couple years if something opens up I'll be ready to negotiate something. I also still have my marketing on the side so overall I'm sitting pretty well.

Good to hear man

[sknot1454]

www.irongeek.com

Adrian goes around to pretty much every major security-con around the world and records the talks.

It's a ****ing goldmine of free info.

[jerzyfit]

www.irongeek.com

Adrian goes around to pretty much every major security-con around the world and records the talks.

It's a ****ing goldmine of free info.

Sweet. I ordered that one book you recommended and ordered a lab manual as well.