"Olympics why we suck" Elitefts article i found

[TAK000]

http://articles.elitefts.com/article...hy-do-we-suck/

thought i would share it here

[someonefat]

no offense to elitefts they know a lot about powerlifting but they don't know anything about olympic lifting. They suggest doing the lifts only like 10% of the time, that is ridiculous. Every country that does well in olympic lifting does pretty much the opposite which is heavy on the lifts all the time along with some squats and pulls thrown in.

[nova6868]

This article was just being discussed the other day on GoHeavy.

Clearly the author(s) is not an olympic lifter. And clearly they are not training any champion olympic weightlifters. I understand how they came to these conclusions. Anyone who has been in powerlifting can understand their logic. However, their conclusions are just that... Conclusions and conjecture. To those of us who have gone from powerlifting to olympic lifting, we understand how many of their conclusions just don't apply.

And in fact, American weightlifters in the 60s trained in a fashion somewhat alike to the article's recommendations. They did lots of power rack work, partial movements, strength exercises, etc. They were massive, muscular, and strong. Don't get me wrong, they were great athletes. However, what happened? We started getting our asses handed to us by international lifters who were faster and more flexible.

And frankly, I don't care if Chuck V. can just pick up a bar and easily muscle snatch it overhead. I mean no disrespect as he is a great powerlifter, but he is a huge strong guy on a ****load of anabolics, and that is just not the game we're playing. When he can clean out and then compete internationally in weightlifting in his respective weightclass, let us all know.

[Shaun_W]

I was with him until he started going on about the conjugate system. Then it just started to seem like some shameless self promoting and Westside worshipping.

[batmanman]

I don't Olympic lift and I found that article gay as hell

Powerlifters would like to tell you heavy lifting can allow you to excel in every athletic event

[SPFjudge]

JL (the author) is a total meathead. I read the article last week and laughed as I was reading it. All he's doing is nut hugging westside. I would like to see one westsider competing in a weightlifting competition just for the lulz. No canvas suits to wear for "support" and no box's to squat to and no boards to stuff under they're "protective" denim shirts.

[isaku900]

JL (the author) is a total meathead. I read the article last week and laughed as I was reading it. All he's doing is nut hugging westside. I would like to see one westsider competing in a weightlifting competition just for the lulz. No canvas suits to wear for "support" and no box's to squat to and no boards to stuff under they're "protective" denim shirts.

...nobody serious really claims that gear is for anything but increasing the weight you can lift.

[Squinky]

And in fact, American weightlifters in the 60s trained in a fashion somewhat alike to the article's recommendations. They did lots of power rack work, partial movements, strength exercises, etc. They were massive, muscular, and strong. Don't get me wrong, they were great athletes. However, what happened? We started getting our asses handed to us by international lifters who were faster and more flexible.

Total bull crap. This is just the evasion of the truth. You don't know the strength levels of these guys. Flexibility is one of the easiest and simplest things to acquire. What does it mean when someone is "fast"? Some weightlifters are fast, some are not. But they are all strong. And the truth is, even if there are some very strong weightlifters in the USA, I don't think I have seen any that are strong through and through like you have to be in weightlifting. Mendes for example is a strong back squatter and has pretty good pressing strength, but his front squat is weak. As a general rule, a superheavyweight lifter needs to be able to front squat over 300 kg to be able to be competitive internationally. Taranenko has been one of the few of the exceptions, barely front squatting his clean and jerk.

And frankly, I don't care if Chuck V. can just pick up a bar and easily muscle snatch it overhead. I mean no disrespect as he is a great powerlifter, but he is a huge strong guy on a ****load of anabolics, and that is just not the game we're playing. When he can clean out and then compete internationally in weightlifting in his respective weightclass, let us all know.

What is weightlifting, if not just that, huge strong guys on a **** load of anabolics?

[someonefat]

Total bull crap. This is just the evasion of the truth. You don't know the strength levels of these guys. Flexibility is one of the easiest and simplest things to acquire. What does it mean when someone is "fast"? Some weightlifters are fast, some are not. But they are all strong. And the truth is, even if there are some very strong weightlifters in the USA, I don't think I have seen any that are strong through and through like you have to be in weightlifting. Mendes for example is a strong back squatter and has pretty good pressing strength, but his front squat is weak. As a general rule, a superheavyweight lifter needs to be able to front squat over 300 kg to be able to be competitive internationally. Taranenko has been one of the few of the exceptions, barely front squatting his clean and jerk.



What is weightlifting, if not just that, huge strong guys on a **** load of anabolics?

mendes over a year ago when his bs squat was 100+lbs less was front squatting over 600lbs easily. Flexibility is not easy to achieve, neither is speed-which you get through training, your not just born fast or not lol-

Kendrick farris reps around 575 on the bs, Zhang Guozheng who snatches the same as kendrick-while being 2 weight classes less then him- has video of double with 485-or roughly 100lbs less then kendrick- Or another polish lifter who isn't as technical Bartlomiej Bonk who in video training with polish team put up 550lbs for a single yet he can snatch much more then kendrick.

Kendrick and mendes are both really strong in comparison to top intl guys, both don't put up the numbers that top intl guys do. They dont put up same numbers because strength is not the same as power, and there technique needs work.

Technique is very important in oly lifts which is why you spend the most time doing the lifts over and over.

[raffiki]

Taranenko has been one of the few of the exceptions, barely front squatting his clean and jerk.

You mean Pisarenko. Taranenko front squatted 300x3 and then didn't bother doing them anymore.

What is weightlifting, if not just that, huge strong guys on a **** load of anabolics?

Maybe that is the case in some places. In the US it isn't

[Torrtrefireto]

I couldn't believe when this article was posted.


Such terrible quality control, most of the comments were negative and then elitefts quickly made a post about they might stop allowing comments

[Squinky]

You mean Pisarenko. Taranenko front squatted 300x3 and then didn't bother doing them anymore.

No, Taranenko. He really struggled with the clean.

Maybe that is the case in some places. In the US it isn't

Don't stop...believing. Hold on that fee-eee-eeeeeliiinggg!

[Squinky]

mendes over a year ago when his bs squat was 100+lbs less was front squatting over 600lbs easily. Flexibility is not easy to achieve, neither is speed-which you get through training, your not just born fast or not lol-

Kendrick farris reps around 575 on the bs, Zhang Guozheng who snatches the same as kendrick-while being 2 weight classes less then him- has video of double with 485-or roughly 100lbs less then kendrick- Or another polish lifter who isn't as technical Bartlomiej Bonk who in video training with polish team put up 550lbs for a single yet he can snatch much more then kendrick.

Kendrick and mendes are both really strong in comparison to top intl guys, both don't put up the numbers that top intl guys do. They dont put up same numbers because strength is not the same as power, and there technique needs work.

Technique is very important in oly lifts which is why you spend the most time doing the lifts over and over.

Like I said. Mendes can't front squat 300 kg becaaaause...he can't! This much is certain. And like I said, flexibility is the easy part, and besides, you don't even need much flexibility in weightlifting. Isn't it right that Mendes doesn't stretch at all, atleast his legs? Speed = power output? That's a joke. There's strength in weightlifting. After that there is nothing. Total emptiness.

You equate the back squat to overall strength when it is not like that.

Mendes is not as strong as the other guys, ****! Kendrick, I don't know, unlikely. If he's not winning he isn't strong enough.

High technique isn't needed to win olympic gold. In almost all other events it is, so I rate the technique demands of weightlifting very low.

[someonefat]

uh like I said mendes easily front squatted 600+ a year ago when he was bs less then 700, he bs 800 now he could easily front squat probably 700lbs. His best snatch is around 180.

[Squinky]

uh like I said mendes easily front squatted 600+ a year ago when he was bs less then 700, he bs 800 now he could easily front squat probably 700lbs. His best snatch is around 180.

I don't even...I give up.

By the way, front squat and back squat have nothing in common. Front squat is an ab exercise, back squat...well, some people who like to be semi strong everywhere but not really "strong strong" somewhere enjoy that exercise.

[nova6868]

I fear we have a troll.

[NeoKantian]

No, Taranenko. He really struggled with the clean.

Well from this interview....

B.C. Do you do front squats?

Taranenko: No. I used to do front squats about twice a week, but stopped some years when I was able to do 300 kg for three reps. At that point I felt I was way beyond what I need to recover effectively from the clean. And besides, that much weight is an excessive load on the chest.

In regards to the article it seems like that what powerlifters always recommend. If I remember correctly wasn't Ripptoe saying essentially the same thing in regards to PL squat? That is, you can move more weight so it's better than an olympic style squat.

[Squinky]

I fear we have a troll.

Jesus got called a troll too. Like Jesus, I get persecuted, but always rise a few weeks later to unbannedment.

[Squinky]

Well from this interview....



In regards to the article it seems like that what powerlifters always recommend. If I remember correctly wasn't Ripptoe saying essentially the same thing in regards to PL squat? That is, you can move more weight so it's better than an olympic style squat.

Taranenko is a liar. Many weightlifters are, and weightlifting culture is a real mind **** for the brain, remember always to make your own conclusions. Use your own eyes and observe reality and you will find truth.

[raffiki]

No, Taranenko. He really struggled with the clean.

He struggled to clean 266.5 cause it was freaking heavy. He said himself that he front squatted 300 for 3 reps.

[Squinky]

He struggled to clean 266.5 cause it was freaking heavy. He said himself that he front squatted 300 for 3 reps.

Yes it was heavy for the weak liar Taranenko. Taranenko, if you read this, please come clean.

[boykid28]

Yes it was heavy for the weak liar Taranenko. Taranenko, if you read this, please come clean.

rep 300kg for 3 reps as easy as je$^$ c#r!$t can or negged.

[Heisman2]

Front squat is an ab exercise

Wow...

[olyw8lifter]

By the way, front squat and back squat have nothing in common. Front squat is an ab exercise, back squat...well, some people who like to be semi strong everywhere but not really "strong strong" somewhere enjoy that exercise.

Why are my abs never sore after Front Squatting?? And Back squat have nothing in common?? Really??

[J.L.C.]

Jesus got called a troll too. Like Jesus, I get persecuted, but always rise a few weeks later to unbannedment.

Any vids of your lifts?

[DarkByDesign]

the article kinda has a point though. for example top 69kg guys like Boevski and liao hui back squat 250-260kgs. how many 69kg oly lifters in america squat that?

[boykid28]

the article kinda has a point though. for example top 69kg guys like Boevski and liao hui back squat 250-260kgs. how many 69kg oly lifters in america squat that?

"hey..... hey you...... yeah you..... im getting there, alright?"


lol. but seriously though, give me another year or so and ill get there.

[PeonLover]

Article is horrendous, as somebody who has competed in both sports, its a completely different training style, and westside doesn't even work for natural raw powerlifting, god knows it wouldn't work for weightlifting.

[raffiki]

the article kinda has a point though. for example top 69kg guys like Boevski and liao hui back squat 250-260kgs. how many 69kg oly lifters in america squat that?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOzIXYC_ywo

[J.L.C.]

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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to raffiki again.