You gotta be kidding me.
Segal FTW.
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12-12-2012, 02:47 PM #31
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12-14-2012, 08:24 AM #32
Yeah, my understanding is that long before he even entertained the notion of becoming an action film badass, Seagal was such an elite martial arts instructor that lots of international law enforcement agencies were sending their folks to Seagal's dojo in Osaka for training. Like, the CIA. Seriously. He was a legit lethal weapon long before he became a movie star.
...of course, since that was ~30 years ago, I don't know that I'd put my money on him today.
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12-14-2012, 08:28 AM #33
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12-14-2012, 08:45 AM #34
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I always thought this as well... but apparently he competed pretty heavily in full-contact karate and kickboxing for a good number of years before he ever got to Hollywood.
I've heard this too. I definitely buy that you wouldn't have wanted to mess with him 25 years ago.Last edited by nvrstopworking; 12-14-2012 at 08:52 AM.
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12-14-2012, 09:35 AM #35
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12-14-2012, 09:58 AM #36
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12-14-2012, 10:25 AM #38
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"Do you think SH actually felt like that was a sxual thing he was doig? She's like. Only an actual p3do would thik that she thought he was groping her, too."
"Not that it's impossibl to touch a minor inapproriately, but it is true that a 6 year old girl will not recognie someone putting a hand on their chest as groping, whether it is inappropriat or not."
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12-14-2012, 03:16 PM #39
Corbi, you are absolutely correct, sir.
Yes, Segal is goofy.
But guys, MMA is a sport. It has rules, just like boxing, and any other "combat sport".
What happens when you take away the rules?
My opinion is.....it will take a combination of brains, charisma, strength, and stamina to be a winner.He which hath no stomach to this fight, let him depart.
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12-14-2012, 03:41 PM #40
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12-14-2012, 03:54 PM #41
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"Do you think SH actually felt like that was a sxual thing he was doig? She's like. Only an actual p3do would thik that she thought he was groping her, too."
"Not that it's impossibl to touch a minor inapproriately, but it is true that a 6 year old girl will not recognie someone putting a hand on their chest as groping, whether it is inappropriat or not."
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12-14-2012, 04:08 PM #42
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12-14-2012, 04:18 PM #43
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12-14-2012, 04:29 PM #44
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Actually no, they didn't.
There were no time limits, no weight classes, no biting or eye gouging, and that's about it.. What, exactly, are you calling "early?"
Emergence of stricter rules
Although UFC used the tagline "There are no rules!" in the early 1990s, the UFC did in fact operate with limited rules. There was no biting, no eye gouging, and the system frowned on (but allowed) techniques such as hair pulling, headbutting, groin strikes and fish-hooking."Do you think SH actually felt like that was a sxual thing he was doig? She's like. Only an actual p3do would thik that she thought he was groping her, too."
"Not that it's impossibl to touch a minor inapproriately, but it is true that a 6 year old girl will not recognie someone putting a hand on their chest as groping, whether it is inappropriat or not."
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12-14-2012, 04:56 PM #45
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saw an early UFC fight with no weight class variance, had this big but kinda slow dude against this skrawny dude who jumped and flipped around the octagon like a damn monkey, once the big dude grabbed monkey man it was all but over. he body slammed the dude and then used his elbow to knock the guy out with about 3 shots to the head.
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12-14-2012, 05:06 PM #46
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12-14-2012, 05:09 PM #47
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"Do you think SH actually felt like that was a sxual thing he was doig? She's like. Only an actual p3do would thik that she thought he was groping her, too."
"Not that it's impossibl to touch a minor inapproriately, but it is true that a 6 year old girl will not recognie someone putting a hand on their chest as groping, whether it is inappropriat or not."
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12-14-2012, 11:50 PM #48
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I am disappointed in seeing how much Segal has let himself go and for me that would the biggest hindering factor for Segal. Couture has made his place in MMA to which there is no doubt. Fighting with rules and fighting without rules are two totally seperate games. Who would win I won't even say.
I will say that all of you who count Segal out are a bit hasty because he never was just a 'hollywood star fighter'. Look into the record books and you will see that Segal was the very first white guy to 'be allowed' to open a dojo in Japan. He also holds a distinction that Bruce Lee & Chuck Norris share with him and that is a #1 in the World ranking as the best martial arts instructor in the world. That was no small feat for anyone and not lightly handed out. Steven truly knows his stuff and I personally think that his conditioning is the only thing that stands against him in a all or nothing fight.
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12-15-2012, 01:57 AM #49
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12-15-2012, 03:16 AM #50
I can't remember which magazine interviewed his Japanese wife (If they were truly married), but she was pi**ed that he left her and starting spilling the beans (or making up stories of her own, who knows). She said it was actually her mother's Dojo and that the so-called "Challenge Fights" over there were pretty embelished. She quieted up pretty quick, but that was @ the time he was actually making big movies and no doubt $$ also. Same article looked into the claims made about him training some special forces. One of the guys was quoted as saying that S.S. "Screamed like a little girl." cause he was having trouble getting back into a life raft somewhere, I believe, in the Gulf of Mexico during a training excercise. There were other things in there that basically made him out to be a turd. But who knows, they might've been turned down for an interview with him and decided to blast him. I think it was a magazine called "Spy" or something like that. Could be BS, the truth, or somewhere inbetween. Not saying he wasn't a bada** back in the day, but let's be real about his conditioning. He'd gas after a minute, minute and a half tops.
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12-15-2012, 03:46 AM #51
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12-15-2012, 10:17 AM #52
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Yeah, Yeah. but on that note, I doubt that the only Style Seagal knows is akido. I knew an instructor who got his black belt at 19 an went out thinking he was all badass. Well some street fighter took issue with that and kicked the crap out of him. The solution was to broaden his fighting techniques. Bruce Lee did the same thing, one style is not complete enough. Watching some of the clips where Segal instructs MMA fighters shows us that he is a more rounded martial artist master than some want to give him credit for.
Once again, while I believe Segal has the tools to fight Couture, I think that the good life has removed too much for Seagal to really back up a 'any time anywhere' invitation. To fight Couture Seagal needs to get back into serious training and not for a week or two either.
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12-15-2012, 01:32 PM #53
You guys have been watching too many action movies. Couture was an Olympic wrestler and was champion in two weight divisions in UFC. Seagal is a TV fighter ... We don't even know if Seagal has ever been in a fight. Plus, he is now a fat old man.
Joe Rogan on Seagal
It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man.
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12-15-2012, 03:25 PM #54
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Try reading this article and see a bit of Seagal's own legacy in martial arts,
http://www.blackbeltmag.com/daily/ma...ry-in-america/
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12-16-2012, 05:48 AM #55
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"Do you think SH actually felt like that was a sxual thing he was doig? She's like. Only an actual p3do would thik that she thought he was groping her, too."
"Not that it's impossibl to touch a minor inapproriately, but it is true that a 6 year old girl will not recognie someone putting a hand on their chest as groping, whether it is inappropriat or not."
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12-16-2012, 05:58 AM #56
Often, the solution is have some more realistic [applicable, if you prefer] training, not necessarily broader, per se. A boxer is always dangerous. As is a wrestler. A wrestler who can hit hard and fast as well? Goodnight, vast majority of "martial artists" out there. Heh. Actually, in many cases, the solution is to drop the ego, and stop getting into fights, before permanent damage is suffered.
Props also to muay thai guys, and some kickboxers. The ones that get it right, are like boxers with more options. Ouch. Telling, that mauy thai has adopted boxing strikes along the way, mind you. It's what you'd expect, if you're wanting the best striking system in the world (which is what they often claim).
And so on. Broader =/= better. Better = better.
Once again, while I believe Segal has the tools to fight Couture, I think that the good life has removed too much for Seagal to really back up a 'any time anywhere' invitation. To fight Couture Seagal needs to get back into serious training and not for a week or two either.
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12-16-2012, 08:11 AM #57
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12-16-2012, 02:31 PM #58
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Well, he WAS good at running into Juan's fist. Props fer that...
(The Pac is STILL a great fighter in my book).
At any rate, when they talk about Seagal being an aikido master, that part I believe. When he was younger he was probably very good at doing aikido and more than likely picked up other martial arts skills as he went along. The dojo stuff came around because he was sleeping with his sensei's daughter, I believe. (Could be wrong about this). Their daughter, Ayako Fujitani (she took her mother's maiden surname) is an actress, starring in the Gamera movies of the 90's. (Very pretty girl when she was young and still nice looking...no, she doesn't look like her father).
Now, as to the stories about the fights Seagal was involved in, not sure. As someone said, maybe embellished or not...probably somewhere in-between. But if Seagal couldn't whip an older man like LeBelle, a man who was physically past his prime in the nineties (although still a badass) then how could he beat Couture who has a legit grappling background plus a ton of experience kicking butt in the MMA rings PLUS other skills? I'm very sure Seagal still knows his aikido well; those skills don't disappear overnight. But Couture is a more well-rounded fighter, IMO.
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