Carrying a gun to school. My experience and opinion.

[Farley1324]

far out you guys are freaky.

where i live, no one has a gun. no one needs a gun. we all get along fine. if you feel you need a gun for whatever reason, you either lived in a totally ****ed up place, or are ****ed up yourself.

So where do you live?

[Mr.Goodtimes]

far out you guys are freaky.

where i live, no one has a gun. no one needs a gun. we all get along fine. if you feel you need a gun for whatever reason, you either lived in a totally ****ed up place, or are ****ed up yourself.

So where do you live?

I second this. I'm dying to know where you live...

[Turbomunkey]

So where do you live?

I second this. I'm dying to know where you live...

Parents basement

[mattprior]

guys i live in Australia, originally from South Africa.
i tell you this because i've experienced both a country that allows guns, and one where they are outlawed (virtually no one has a gun).

i completely understand the desire and need to own a gun in a country like South Africa or America, where they are easy to get and those who would use them to attack or kill others can do so, making it likely that you yourself could well need one for defense purposes some day, where it is genuinely dangerous and the threat of attack is real.

in Australia, however, people like you and i do not need firearms because the bad guys don't have them either. the safety of living in a wonderful country like this is something that I've seen change the lives of my family and myself - feeling secure and not needing a weapon has given us freedom and security.

this is an incredibly complex issue and i honestly don't have the answers, but i thought I'd give my two cents.

i think the solution would lay in a removal of firearms from EVERYONE in society through something like an amnesty, but the scale of an operation like this in America (compared to the Australian amnesty where the population is 20 million compared to your 300 - 400 million haha) would be hard to comprehend.

its also not just about taking the guns away (i know a serious concern would be that the bad guys would then be the only people who had weapons - making this solution a really stupid one haha) but there are definitely smarter people out there who must have solutions.

[Farley1324]

in Australia, however, people like you and i do not need firearms because the bad guys don't have them either.

Firearms are the great equalizer, though.

Example: My wife cannot adequately defend herself simply because her attacker probably won't have a gun. Both of them with a gun is literally 10,000 times better for her than neither of them with a gun.

Me with a gun vs a guy with a baseball bat. Me with a gun vs three guys.

Get the idea?




And I'd hate to see all civilian owned firearms done away with. Only allowing the government access to them is tyranny with no real check. Just ask China.

[Mr.Goodtimes]

guys i live in Australia, originally from South Africa.
i tell you this because i've experienced both a country that allows guns, and one where they are outlawed (virtually no one has a gun).

i completely understand the desire and need to own a gun in a country like South Africa or America, where they are easy to get and those who would use them to attack or kill others can do so, making it likely that you yourself could well need one for defense purposes some day, where it is genuinely dangerous and the threat of attack is real.

in Australia, however, people like you and i do not need firearms because the bad guys don't have them either. the safety of living in a wonderful country like this is something that I've seen change the lives of my family and myself - feeling secure and not needing a weapon has given us freedom and security.

this is an incredibly complex issue and i honestly don't have the answers, but i thought I'd give my two cents.

i think the solution would lay in a removal of firearms from EVERYONE in society through something like an amnesty, but the scale of an operation like this in America (compared to the Australian amnesty where the population is 20 million compared to your 300 - 400 million haha) would be hard to comprehend.

its also not just about taking the guns away (i know a serious concern would be that the bad guys would then be the only people who had weapons - making this solution a really stupid one haha) but there are definitely smarter people out there who must have solutions.

I'm sorry, but I cant understand you're statement. It's not just about self defense, it's about protecting our selves from our own government. The idea behind the second Amendment wasn't just to to give guns to people so we could protect our selves from each other, but to give us the power to overthrow our government should it attemt/become oppressive. We, an armed people of the United States are the ultimate and final check and balance to the system. If the American people decide our government is becoming to oppressive, we as a people are capable of overthrowing our own government through armed revolution; which unfortunately is the only way to get anything done. Just look back into history. The idea is that the government should fear the people, which obviously isn't the case anymore.

Guns will never go away. Australia still has gun crime. Now there is more knife crime. I want a gun weather an assailant is carrying a bat, knife, gun, rock.. etc, I'm not taking chances.

Quite frankly, the Australian people need to take their country back just like we do. Both of our nations are falling victim to socialists and marxists. I will never give up my gun ownership, no matter what lies some politician tries to feed me.

[mattprior]

Firearms are the great equalizer, though.

Example: My wife cannot adequately defend herself simply because her attacker probably won't have a gun. Both of them with a gun is literally 10,000 times better for her than neither of them with a gun.

Me with a gun vs a guy with a baseball bat. Me with a gun vs three guys.

Get the idea?

yeah i definitely hear that. i guess that was my point about there being so many other issues - inequality in society esp. - that leads to crimes, be they involving firearms or not. when those problems are improved or solved, the threat becomes much smaller (quality of life and level of equality in australia is nearly no.1 in the world, and the crime rates are very low.)

as i said its a very complex issue, but i did want to give another perspective, (other than the highly educated "you guys are crazy" haha)

[mattprior]

I'm sorry, but I cant understand you're statement. It's not just about self defense, it's about protecting our selves from our own government. The idea behind the second Amendment wasn't just to to give guns to people so we could protect our selves from each other, but to give us the power to overthrow our government should it attemt/become oppressive.

Guns will never go away. Australia still has gun crime. Now there is more knife crime. I want a gun weather an assailant is carrying a bat, knife, gun, rock.. etc, I'm not taking chances.

Quite frankly, the Australian people need to take their country back just like we do. Both of our nations are falling victim to socialists and marxists. I will never give up my gun ownership, no matter what lies some politician tries to feed me.

look im not pretending to have all the answers or know everything, but i'd like to think i have an open mind - how is America in a better place compared to that of Australia? (no competitive haha)

[Mr.Goodtimes]

yeah i definitely hear that. i guess that was my point about there being so many other issues - inequality in society esp. - that leads to crimes, be they involving firearms or not. when those problems are improved or solved, the threat becomes much smaller (quality of life and level of equality in australia is nearly no.1 in the world, and the crime rates are very low.)

as i said its a very complex issue, but i did want to give another perspective, (other than the highly educated "you guys are crazy" haha)

Hell I'd still want a gun even if I lived in the safest most peaceful place in the world. It only takes on ass hole to ruin things. Things aren't that bad in America, it's not like the wild west. Hell Australians should own guns for defense against foreign invasion; if nothing else. It wasn't that long ago Japan was knocking on your back door. Obviously imperial Japan isn't a threat anymore but in the future, who knows, somebody else could be. I think it would behoove the Australian people to arm them selves.

It's not paranoia, It's just being on top of your game. I'm sure we all buckle our seat belts, lock our doors, wear life jackets when were on a jet ski, and eat right so we don't die of heart disease at 50. So why not carry a gun?

[Farley1324]

look im not pretending to have all the answers or know everything, but i'd like to think i have an open mind - how is America in a better place compared to that of Australia? (no competitive haha)

You can't even legally carry a pocket knife down there in Australia.

[Mr.Goodtimes]

look im not pretending to have all the answers or know everything, but i'd like to think i have an open mind - how is America in a better place compared to that of Australia? (no competitive haha)

Were not any better off than you other than that we haven't given up our guns yet for a false sense of security. Hell we have given up some, though.

Our government has become every bit as oppressive, overbearing and power hungry as your own. I'm not going to lie, it's time for the American people to grow a pair. If we don't start making immediate, drastic changes to our government; as in a MUCH smaller government that serves the people as opposed to it self and large corporations; we will collapse within the next five to ten years at best. At worst, we will be engulfed in a second civil war.

[Birddog6424]

Parents basement

LOL, reps

guys i live in Australia, originally from South Africa.
i tell you this because i've experienced both a country that allows guns, and one where they are outlawed (virtually no one has a gun).

i completely understand the desire and need to own a gun in a country like South Africa or America, where they are easy to get and those who would use them to attack or kill others can do so, making it likely that you yourself could well need one for defense purposes some day, where it is genuinely dangerous and the threat of attack is real.

in Australia, however, people like you and i do not need firearms because the bad guys don't have them either. the safety of living in a wonderful country like this is something that I've seen change the lives of my family and myself - feeling secure and not needing a weapon has given us freedom and security.

this is an incredibly complex issue and i honestly don't have the answers, but i thought I'd give my two cents.

i think the solution would lay in a removal of firearms from EVERYONE in society through something like an amnesty, but the scale of an operation like this in America (compared to the Australian amnesty where the population is 20 million compared to your 300 - 400 million haha) would be hard to comprehend.

its also not just about taking the guns away (i know a serious concern would be that the bad guys would then be the only people who had weapons - making this solution a really stupid one haha) but there are definitely smarter people out there who must have solutions.

To that, I would say (i.e. copy and paste) this;

Law enforcement and anti-crime activists regularly claim that the United States tops the charts in most crime-rate categories, but a new international study says that America's former master -- Great Britain -- has much higher levels of crime.

The International Crime Victims Survey, conducted by Leiden University in Holland, found that England and Wales ranked second overall in violent crime among industrialized nations.

Twenty-six percent of English citizens -- roughly one-quarter of the population -- have been victimized by violent crime. Australia led the list with more than 30 percent of its population victimized.

The United States didn't even make the "top 10" list of industrialized nations whose citizens were victimized by crime.

Jack Straw, the British home secretary, admitted that "levels of victimization are higher than in most comparable countries for most categories of crime."

Highlights of the study indicated that:

The percentage of the population that suffered "contact crime" in England and Wales was 3.6 percent, compared with 1.9 percent in the United States and 0.4 percent in Japan.
Burglary rates in England and Wales were also among the highest recorded. Australia (3.9 percent) and Denmark (3.1 per cent) had higher rates of burglary with entry than England and Wales (2.8 percent). In the U.S., the rate was 2.6 percent, according to 1995 figures;
"After Australia and England and Wales, the highest prevalence of crime was in Holland (25 percent), Sweden (25 percent) and Canada (24 percent). The United States, despite its high murder rate, was among the middle ranking countries with a 21 percent victimization rate," the London Telegraph said.
England and Wales also led in automobile thefts. More than 2.5 percent of the population had been victimized by car theft, followed by 2.1 percent in Australia and 1.9 percent in France. Again, the U.S. was not listed among the "top 10" nations.
The study found that Australia led in burglary rates, with nearly 4 percent of the population having been victimized by a burglary. Denmark was second with 3.1 percent; the U.S. was listed eighth at about 1.8 percent.

Interestingly, the study found that one of the lowest victimization rates -- just 15 percent overall -- occurred in Northern Ireland, home of the Irish Republican Army and scene of years of terrorist violence.

Analysts in the U.S. were quick to point out that all of the other industrialized nations included in the survey had stringent gun-control laws, but were overall much more violent than the U.S.

Indeed, information on Handgun Control's Center to Prevent Handgun Violence website actually praises Australia and attempts to portray Australia as a much safer country following strict gun-control measures passed by lawmakers in 1996.

"The next time a credulous friend or acquaintance tells you that Australia actually suffered more crime when they got tougher on guns ... offer him a Foster's, and tell him the facts," the CPHV site says.

"In 1998, the rate at which firearms were used in murder, attempted murder, assault, sexual assault and armed robbery went down. In that year, the last for which statistics are available, the number of murders involving a firearm declined to its lowest point in four years," says CPHV.

However, the International Crime Victims Survey notes that overall crime victimization Down Under rose from 27.8 percent of the population in 1988, to 28.6 percent in 1991 to over 30 percent in 1999.

Advocates of less gun control in the U.S. say the drop in gun murder rates was more than offset by the overall victimization increase. Also, they note that Australia leads the ICVS report in three of four categories -- burglary (3.9 percent of the population), violent crime (4.1 percent) and overall victimization (about 31 percent).

Australia is second to England in auto theft (2.1 percent).

In March 2000, WorldNetDaily reported that since Australia's widespread gun ban, violent crime had increased in the country.

WND reported that, although lawmakers responsible for passing the ban promised a safer country, the nation's crime statistics tell a different story:

Countrywide, homicides are up 3.2 percent.
Assaults are up 8.6 percent.
Amazingly, armed robberies have climbed nearly 45 percent.
In the Australian state of Victoria, gun homicides have climbed 300 percent.
In the 25 years before the gun bans, crime in Australia had been dropping steadily.
There has been a reported "dramatic increase" in home burglaries and assaults on the elderly.

Cliffs................bad crime in Australia is bad.. You are a victim of your countries "all is well" propoganda.

[mattprior]

i get what you guys are saying to an extent, but im trying to show you that its possible to live in a society without firearms.

just read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_crime

[Farley1324]

i get what you guys are saying to an extent, but im trying to show you that its possible to live in a society without firearms.

It is also possible to live in a society without antibiotics.

Nobody is saying it is not 'possible'. It is not preferred though.

BTW: Did you notice the link/quote above showing how much violent crime yall have?

I knew it was only a matter of time before that was brought up.

[srsgaiz]

So where do you live?

i live in australia. yup.

in australia, crime is very minor and quite uncommon. if guns were legal, then everyone would HAVE to have them, because knowing that some crazy kids could easily get their hands on them, you would have to have one too.

australia = few people have guns = no one needs guns = less gun crimes.

america = everyone has guns = everyone needs guns = more gun crimes.

inb4 LOLNOOO THAT DUN WERK!!!

actually yes, it does. i have to say, i find alot of you american's are silly sausages.
why would you feel it necessary to take a gun to school? because your probably afraid of the other kids who bring guns to school. get rid of the guns, you get rid of the problem.

[mattprior]

haha sorry no i didn't see that til afterward :P

"Firearms are used in this threatening capacity four to six times more than firearms used as a means of protection in fighting crime. [30] "

yeah I'm definitely not saying Australia or any other country is perfect, i guess for me, i just feel safer knowing that not everyone in the street could be carrying a firearm :P each to there own, good discussion brahs

[Mr.Goodtimes]

i get what you guys are saying to an extent, but im trying to show you that its possible to live in a society without firearms.

just read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_crime

No, it's not. The world isn't some happy go lucky play ground. Man is a corrupt, malicious, disgusting animal by and large. That's why we have war, rape, murder. For every 100 good people there is always that one ******* willing to **** on the party.

You know what one of the first things Hitler did when he came to power? He disarmed the people. Think the holocaust would have happened like it did if all those Jews would have been armed to the teeth? I doubt it.

Society can never, and will never live in absolute peace. If you think that it's possible to live in a society with out firearms or weapons, you have a severe case of a false sense of safety.

[Farley1324]

i live in australia. yup.

in australia, crime is very minor and quite uncommon. if guns were legal, then everyone would HAVE to have them, because knowing that some crazy kids could easily get their hands on them, you would have to have one too.

australia = few people have guns = no one needs guns = less gun crimes.

america = everyone has guns = everyone needs guns = more gun crimes.

Too bad Australia = more violent crime

And you still can't even carry a damn pocket knife without breaking the law. I mean...how much more pussy can you get than OMG noez it's a pocket knife arrest him!!



But I wouldn't expect a 17 year old Australian kid who lives with mommy and daddy to know much about the world.

[Birddog6424]

i live in australia. yup.

in australia, crime is very minor and quite uncommon. if guns were legal, then everyone would HAVE to have them, because knowing that some crazy kids could easily get their hands on them, you would have to have one too.

australia = few people have guns = no one needs guns = less gun crimes.

america = everyone has guns = everyone needs guns = more gun crimes.

inb4 LOLNOOO THAT DUN WERK!!!

actually yes, it does. i have to say, i find alot of you american's are silly sausages.
why would you feel it necessary to take a gun to school? because your probably afraid of the other kids who bring guns to school. get rid of the guns, you get rid of the problem.

Umm, you need to read the link I put above. Crime in Australia is terrible. Of all the industrialized nations, it is the worst.

Violent crime has done nothing but go up since the 1996 gun ban. Armed robbery is up 300%. Read the article.

[dudson123]

i always carry. i carry everywhere legally allowed. I have had to use a gun in self defense before and I feel uncomfortable disarmed. Honestly if you are just carrying "because you can" and arent prepared or ready to kill someone; dont carry. With that said, i wish i was allowed to carry on campus. Best I can do is in car.

My mommy once told me that people who carry guns for self defence have no balls?

[Mr.Goodtimes]

i live in australia. yup.

in australia, crime is very minor and quite uncommon. if guns were legal, then everyone would HAVE to have them, because knowing that some crazy kids could easily get their hands on them, you would have to have one too.

australia = few people have guns = no one needs guns = less gun crimes.

america = everyone has guns = everyone needs guns = more gun crimes.

inb4 LOLNOOO THAT DUN WERK!!!

actually yes, it does. i have to say, i find alot of you american's are silly sausages.
why would you feel it necessary to take a gun to school? because your probably afraid of the other kids who bring guns to school. get rid of the guns, you get rid of the problem.

I'd neg you again but I cant.

[Farley1324]

Umm, you need to read the link I put above. Crime in Australia is terrible. Of all the industrialized nations, it is the worst.

Violent crime has done nothing but go up since the 1996 gun ban. Armed robbery is up 300%. Read the article.

It is easier to pretend otherwise and make with ad hominems.

[dudson123]

i live in australia. yup.

in australia, crime is very minor and quite uncommon. if guns were legal, then everyone would HAVE to have them, because knowing that some crazy kids could easily get their hands on them, you would have to have one too.

australia = few people have guns = no one needs guns = less gun crimes.

america = everyone has guns = everyone needs guns = more gun crimes.

inb4 LOLNOOO THAT DUN WERK!!!

actually yes, it does. i have to say, i find alot of you american's are silly sausages.
why would you feel it necessary to take a gun to school? because your probably afraid of the other kids who bring guns to school. get rid of the guns, you get rid of the problem.

will rep on recharge, from syd, lolled hard, champion!

[mattprior]

Society can never, and will never live in absolute peace. If you think that it's possible to live in a society with out firearms or weapons, you have a severe case of a false sense of safety.

i honestly don't believe that haha, because i know people who have knives and weapons, and i've seen plenty of violence. but at the same time i feel safer knowing that its very hard for someone to walk into a school, university or crowd and start killing scores of people armed only with a knife :P

[dudson123]

Too bad Australia = more violent crime

And you still can't even carry a damn pocket knife without breaking the law. I mean...how much more pussy can you get than OMG noez it's a pocket knife arrest him!!



But I wouldn't expect a 17 year old Australian kid who lives with mommy and daddy to know much about the world.

this is true, it's like how drunk crime is the most common and there are so many liquor laws, and in europe it is so easy to get access to liquor, still nowhere near as much drunk related crimes.. must agree here

[srsgaiz]

At least i can walk down my street with no fear of being shot/stabbed and i dont have to carry a gun.

yes the % of violent crimes has increased over the years. so has the amount of americans that come here.

also, % probably isnt the best thing to go by. it could of gone up by 300%, i dont doubt that. but the amount of people who commit violent crimes, even increased by 300% would still be less than what happens in america.

LOL.
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[Birddog6424]

It is easier to pretend otherwise and make with ad hominems.

Agreed.

A politician in the making......

[Farley1324]

At least i can walk down my street with no fear of being shot/stabbed and i dont have to carry a gun.

yes the % of violent crimes has increased over the years. so has the amount of americans that come here.

also, % probably isnt the best thing to go by. it could of gone up by 300%, i dont doubt that. but the amount of people who commit violent crimes, even increased by 300% would still be less than what happens in america.

Incorrect. Your violent crime rates are higher.

Though I realize you probably won't allow yourself to believe this fact.

[dudson123]

Look how many of those violent crime rates are associated with intoxication and alcohol/ drug abuse

[Birddog6424]

At least i can walk down my street with no fear of being shot/stabbed and i dont have to carry a gun.

yes the % of violent crimes has increased over the years. so has the amount of americans that come here.

also, % probably isnt the best thing to go by. it could of gone up by 300%, i dont doubt that. but the amount of people who commit violent crimes, even increased by 300% would still be less than what happens in america.

LOL.
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Now I know you are young. But I could have sworn that by the time I was 15, I could read. Maybe there is a difference in the education system.......

America is no where near as bad as Australia. As the article says, your country tops the list.

Go and read young padawan......