Thanks, I will try to get a clump of edits at a time so as to make it a bit easier.
I think the knowledge on casein and nutrient timing in general is evolving very quickly right now. Just a few years back more people would have been very keen on using casein at night. But more and more it's becoming apparent that you can achieve similar results using such a large number of variations in diet that the actual approach seems far less important than the daily caloric and macro goals. Intermittent fasting may be responsible for this shift in attitudes as it has kind of blown the doors off the old logic that you needed to constantly eat to fuel your muscles.
I've been trying to find a good thread on this myself. There are lots of posts covering a very tiny portion of the vits or minerals by people like Peter, Neopragmatist, in10city, and even I have a few... but none are all-inclusive. Likely because you could have an entire forum dedicated entirely to vitamins if you really wanted to dig that deeply.
I'll see if I can't throw together a very simplified version for many of the most common vits/minerals and make a post on it to get feedback from others. If it turns out well we can link that here. But posts like Pinch's below are a good start for covering minerals.
Nice post Btw, reading your articles now. At least one or two of them would make good links for this thread and I'm sure there will be plenty more which deserve links in the future. If you can think of any topics that should be linked here Andy either post em up or shoot me a PM to discuss them, always really value your insight.
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03-05-2011, 04:22 PM #121
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03-05-2011, 06:53 PM #122
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Sorry, but I'm sure this has been discussed before, but in regards to the Will Brinks mixing video. I don't see how it being dissolved affects its bioavailability... Are you saying if I take a scoop of mono, throw it in my mouth and wash it down, it won't have the same effects as mixing it thoroughly and dissolving it? Wouldn't that mean it would have to bind the molecules to the water in order for you to absorb it? Kinda confused...
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03-05-2011, 07:00 PM #123
Oral L-citrulline supplementation improves erection hardness in men with mild erectile dysfunction.
Abstract
OBJECTIVES: To test the efficacy and safety of oral L-citrulline supplementation in improving erection hardness in patients with mild erectile dysfunction (ED). L-arginine supplementation improves nitric oxide-mediated vasodilation and endothelial function; however, oral administration has been hampered by extensive presystemic metabolism. In contrast, L-citrulline escapes presystemic metabolism and is converted to L-arginine, thus setting the rationale for oral L-citrulline supplementation as a donor for the L-arginine/nitric oxide pathway of penile erection.
METHODS: In the present single-blind study, men with mild ED (erection hardness score of 3) received a placebo for 1 month and L-citrulline, 1.5 g/d, for another month. The erection hardness score, number of intercourses per month, treatment satisfaction, and adverse events were recorded.
RESULTS: A total of 24 patients, mean age 56.5 ± 9.8 years, were entered and concluded the study without adverse events. The improvement in the erection hardness score from 3 (mild ED) to 4 (normal erectile function) occurred in 2 (8.3%) of the 24 men when taking placebo and 12 (50%) of the 24 men when taking L-citrulline (P < .01). The mean number of intercourses per month increased from 1.37 ± 0.93 at baseline to 1.53 ± 1.00 at the end of the placebo phase (P = .57) and 2.3 ± 1.37 at the end of the treatment phase (P < .01). All patients reporting an erection hardness score improvement from 3 to 4 reported being very satisfied.
CONCLUSIONS: Although less effective than phosphodiesterase type-5 enzyme inhibitors, at least in the short term, L-citrulline supplementation has been proved to be safe and psychologically well accepted by patients. Its role as an alternative treatment for mild to moderate ED, particularly in patients with a psychologically fear of phosphodiesterase type-5 enzyme inhibitors, deserves further research.
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03-05-2011, 07:01 PM #124
Short-term effects of l-citrulline supplementation on arterial stiffness in middle-aged men.
Ochiai M, Hayashi T, Morita M, Ina K, Maeda M, Watanabe F, Mori****a K.
Healthcare Products Development Center, KYOWA HAKKO BIO CO., LTD., 2, Miyukigaoka, Tsukuba-shi, Ibaraki 305-0841, Japan.
Abstract
BACKGROUND: Nitric oxide (NO) plays a key role in the maintenance of vascular tone, contributing to the functional regulation of arterial stiffness. Although oral l-citrulline could become the effective precursor of l-arginine (substrate for endothelial NO synthase) via the l-citrulline/ l-arginine pathway, little is known about the efficacy of l-citrulline application on arterial stiffness.
OBJECTIVE: We examined the short-term effects of l-citrulline supplementation on arterial stiffness in humans.
METHODS: In a double-blind, randomized, placebo-controlled parallel-group trial, 15 healthy male subjects (age: 58.3±4.4years) with brachial-ankle pulse wave velocity (baPWV; index of arterial stiffness >1400cm/sec) were given 5.6g/day of l-citrulline (n=8) or placebo (n=7) for 7days. baPWV and various clinical parameters were measured before (baseline) and after oral supplementation of l-citrulline or placebo.
RESULTS: Compared with the placebo group, baPWV was significantly reduced in the l-citrulline group (p<0.01). No significant differences in blood pressure (BP) were found between the two groups, and no correlation was observed between BP and baPWV. The serum nitrogen oxide (NOx, the sum of nitrite plus nitrate) and NO metabolic products were significantly increased only in the l-citrulline group (p<0.05). Plasma citrulline, arginine and the ratio of arginine/asymmetric dimethylarginine (ADMA), an endogenous inhibitor of NO synthase (arginine/ADMA ratio) were significantly increased in the l-citrulline group compared with the placebo group (p<0.05, p<0.01, p<0.05, respectively). Moreover, there was a correlation between the increase of plasma arginine and the reduction of baPWV (r=-0.553, p<0.05).
CONCLUSION: These findings suggest that short-term l-citrulline supplementation may functionally improve arterial stiffness, independent of blood pressure, in humans.
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03-05-2011, 07:02 PM #125
And finally...(I'm surprised scivation wasn't all over this one)
L-citrulline-malate influence over branched chain amino acid utilization during exercise.
Sureda A, Córdova A, Ferrer MD, Pérez G, Tur JA, Pons A.
Departament de Biologia Fonamental i Ciències de la Salut, University of Balearic Islands, Palma de Mallorca, Illes Balears, Spain.
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Exhaustive exercise induces disturbances in metabolic homeostasis which can result in amino acid catabolism and limited L-arginine availability. Oral L-citrulline supplementation raises plasma L-arginine concentration and augments NO-dependent signalling. Our aim was to evaluate the effects of diet supplementation with L-citrulline-malate prior to intense exercise on the metabolic handle of plasma amino acids and on the products of metabolism of arginine as creatinine, urea and nitrite and the possible effects on the hormonal levels. Seventeen voluntary male pre-professional cyclists were randomly assigned to one of two groups: control or supplemented (6 g L-citrulline-malate 2 h prior exercise) and participated in a 137-km cycling stage. Blood samples were taken in basal conditions, 15 min after the race and 3 h post race (recovery). Most essential amino acids significantly decreased their plasma concentration as a result of exercise; however, most non-essential amino acids tended to significantly increase their concentration. Citrulline-malate ingestion significantly increased the plasma concentration of citrulline, arginine, ornithine, urea, creatinine and nitrite (p < 0.05) and significantly decreased the isoleucine concentration from basal measures to after exercise (p < 0.05). Insulin levels significantly increased after exercise in both groups (p < 0.05) returning to basal values at recovery. Growth hormone increased after exercise in both groups, although the increase was higher in the citrulline-malate supplemented group (p < 0.05). L-citrulline-malate supplementation can enhance the use of amino acids, especially the branched chain amino acids during exercise and also enhance the production of arginine-derived metabolites such as nitrite, creatinine, ornithine and urea.
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03-05-2011, 08:02 PM #126
Love this thread
And pinch seriously motivates me to stay home and read lol srs
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03-05-2011, 10:00 PM #127
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Thanks Cooper. I'll figure out some way to get those linked. Perhaps the best method will be to actually create threads about specific topics with tons of info in them just to link to them from this thread? Kind of like NO HYPE's thread on arginine. Are there any good Citrulline threads in the science section? Those links good be added and we could link the whole thread if so.
Also I'm just posting this here for now so I can remember later, this is a good thread on the various Carnitines that I started a while back: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=121355501
I think a lot of people are dubious about the video and to just how well that sort of method would work or how important it is. But I figured it'd be better to include it just in-case. I think most people can handle creatine just fine any which way they take it. But there may be some who have real trouble with creatine and that "may" help. *shrug*Latest Reviews:
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03-07-2011, 08:35 PM #128
Awesome thread! Good idea, glad to see they made it a sticky!
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03-08-2011, 01:49 AM #129
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anything for norvaline?
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03-08-2011, 06:55 PM #131
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It would definitely be a good link to have. Same goes for Agmatine. Let me know if you find any!
Great idea, I really don't know enough about that either. Would love to hear discussion.
I'm thinking people will have to start making threads about some of these topics that ned to be added here and hopefully we can get good discussion going so they can be linked.
Thanks man. If you know of any good topics on contest prep or things of that nature they'd make good links as well. We're both into different aspects of working out, so not many of my links deal with the topics you're likely a lot more familiar with.
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03-08-2011, 09:40 PM #132
Not sure if this has been posted or not..
Recent study from the Strength and Conditioning Journal showing why it is not beneficial to perform cardio in a fasted state to lose weight. It in fact may be detrimental and lead to more lean muscle loss.
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03-09-2011, 01:40 PM #134
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Hey Shadar what are your thoughts on Con-crete? Lately i've been using one scoop (5g) of Primaforce CreaForm and mixing it with my Xtend intra workout. On days i use a pre-workout i only use half a scoop of creatine because there is already some in the pre.
But i'm running low on the CreaForm and was considering buying the Con-crete. Is it worth the switch or should i just stay using what i have."Eat food, drink food, train hard...Repeat Often!!!"
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03-09-2011, 05:09 PM #142
shadar, just noticed this made sticky good job man; you should be proud.
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03-09-2011, 06:47 PM #143
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^^^ I agree with Cooper. I personally go for creapure myself when possible, though atm I got some ultra cheap regular creatine mono on sale and it seems fine. But otherwise I'd spend the money to get creapure to play it safe.
It's generally only $2-5 more than regular mono. $30 seems excessive... it is much cheaper generally.
Great links! Added it to my list. Will be compiling a list of changes and will post up the updated lists in two posts tonight or tomorrow with better formatting this time and I'm also adding some indication if the topic is positive or negative so people can tell at a glance.
Thanks!
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03-09-2011, 07:18 PM #144
This link beats all of Shadar's links.
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You said the guy was wrong for telling people to not over-think creatine and to just mix it into their post workout shake.
You then went on to say if you mix it with protein or carbs it will pass through your body.
Etc.
That simply isn't true. So I told you 99% of people need not worry about anything. And that perhaps you have issues with creatine, but not everyone does. I stand by that completely.
This will be the only response you get in this thread as I don't wish to clutter an otherwise very informative thread with your drama. If you have an issue with me, PM me.Latest Reviews:
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Is this the Creapure your talking about?
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