pure DAA

[bbh90]

i think im going to be trying this product out in the next couple days

what im going to do is run it with inhibit-E and i think i will start out doing 12 on 12 off and then depending on how i feel from that i will either do another 12 on 12 off or i will go for longer than 12 days

regardless i will be doing inhibit E for 8 weeks

what do you guys think?

anyone have feedback on their results using DAA?

[THEHUGE]

The 12 days ON/12 days OFF is one of the worst BS ever. I wouldn't use DAA for any less then 6 weeks,possibly longer.

[bbh90]

The 12 days ON/12 days OFF is one of the worst BS ever. I wouldn't use DAA for any less then 6 weeks,possibly longer.

do you think its best to use it for 6 weeks at 3 grams a day?

and do you think that using inhibit E during cycle is best or lets say i do it for 6 weeks do you think it would be wise to start the inhibit e week 2 of the DAA so it extends 4 weeks after the use of the DAA to supress any possible estrogen

[THEHUGE]

do you think its best to use it for 6 weeks at 3 grams a day?

and do you think that using inhibit E during cycle is best or lets say i do it for 6 weeks do you think it would be wise to start the inhibit e week 2 of the DAA so it extends 4 weeks after the use of the DAA to supress any possible estrogen

I believe 6 weeks is the minimum cycle lenght for any test-booster if you want to see some actual improvement in strenght and body composition. I also believe 3 grams is the minimum dosage to get a decent test increase.
Last, you need estrogens alongside testosterone to increase anabolism. Focus on the T/E ratio,not total E. I wouldn't use any AI.

[Flex500]

i think im going to be trying this product out in the next couple days

what im going to do is run it with inhibit-E and i think i will start out doing 12 on 12 off and then depending on how i feel from that i will either do another 12 on 12 off or i will go for longer than 12 days

regardless i will be doing inhibit E for 8 weeks

what do you guys think?

anyone have feedback on their results using DAA?

I'd use the DAA much much longer. People get off of test boosters too quick. IF you can find one that does actually boost your testosterone you are going to need to stay on it for quite a while to really get the benefits form it.

For simplicity sake lets say your test goes from 550 to 750 free test going from 1.8% to 2.4%...you need LOTS OF TIME at that 750/2.4 amount to really get the benefits.

[bbh90]

I believe 6 weeks is the minimum cycle lenght for any test-booster if you want to see some actual improvement in strenght and body composition. I also believe 3 grams is the minimum dosage to get a decent test increase.
Last, you need estrogens alongside testosterone to increase anabolism. Focus on the T/E ratio,not total E. I wouldn't use any AI.

thanks i havnt been able to find any logs for 6 weeks cycles? have you heard much feedback on them?
also would you run nothing along side the DAA or possibly something such as l-dopa

I'd use the DAA much much longer. People get off of test boosters too quick. IF you can find one that does actually boost your testosterone you are going to need to stay on it for quite a while to really get the benefits form it.

For simplicity sake lets say your test goes from 550 to 750 free test going from 1.8% to 2.4%...you need LOTS OF TIME at that 750/2.4 amount to really get the benefits.

that makes sense do you have any experience with DAA?

[THEHUGE]

thanks i havnt been able to find any logs for 6 weeks cycles? have you heard much feedback on them?
also would you run nothing along side the DAA or possibly something such as l-dopa

DAA (Dadavit) has been extensively used in clinical settings for years in EU in 90 days cycles to improve spermatogenesis. L-dopa would work well with it to further increase LH and testosterone and prevent a possible prolactin increase.

[Flex500]

thanks i havnt been able to find any logs for 6 weeks cycles? have you heard much feedback on them?
also would you run nothing along side the DAA or possibly something such as l-dopa



that makes sense do you have any experience with DAA?

i actually have been taking it for about 6 weeks but also taking 1-2iu's hgh and hghup and fodalgia. will be posting reviews and blood work soon.

of course it throws off my review directly on daa because I am taking other things. I don't "feel" a difference since starting daa but curious to see what the bloodwork says.

[Adjusting]

If you got that 12 on/12 off from Primordial Perf. don't fall prey to their bull****. That recommendation is retarded.

I've been using DAA for almost 6 weeks now. I love the stuff and can't imagine limiting myself to a short cycle.

The 12 days ON/12 days OFF is one of the worst BS ever. I wouldn't use DAA for any less then 6 weeks,possibly longer.

Yup, yup ^

[bbh90]

DAA (Dadavit) has been extensively used in clinical settings for years in EU in 90 days cycles to improve spermatogenesis. L-dopa would work well with it to further increase LH and testosterone and prevent a possible prolactin increase.

really i didnt know that till now but how much l-dopa would you suggest?

i actually have been taking it for about 6 weeks but also taking 1-2iu's hgh and hghup and fodalgia. will be posting reviews and blood work soon.

of course it throws off my review directly on daa because I am taking other things. I don't "feel" a difference since starting daa but curious to see what the bloodwork says.

i c should be a good review even though you dont "feel" a difference have you noticed much in terms of results in the gym?

[7percent]

DAA (Dadavit) has been extensively used in clinical settings for years in EU in 90 days cycles to improve spermatogenesis. L-dopa would work well with it to further increase LH and testosterone and prevent a possible prolactin increase.

THEHUGE is this enough for L-dopa?

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/now/dopamuc.html

250mg a day, that would be 4 caps correct?

[bbh90]

If you got that 12 on/12 off from Primordial Perf. don't fall prey to their bull****. That recommendation is retarded.

I've been using DAA for almost 6 weeks now. I love the stuff and can't imagine limiting myself to a short cycle.



Yup, yup ^

thanks for the reply how have your results been so far?

[Adjusting]

thanks for the reply how have your results been so far?

Very good.

At this point I'd recommend it above anything else on the market. There are a couple close ones but DAA is my fav to date. I wouldn't be surprised if it had some sort of positive effect on mood because it's made me very energetic and happy.

[THEHUGE]

If you got that 12 on/12 off from Primordial Perf. don't fall prey to their bull****. That recommendation is retarded.

I've been using DAA for almost 6 weeks now. I love the stuff and can't imagine limiting myself to a short cycle.

LOL yep screw that non-sense.

THEHUGE is this enough for L-dopa?

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/now/dopamuc.html

250mg a day, that would be 4 caps correct?

Yeah, excellent product. 3-4 caps a day will do the trick(180-240mg/day)

[bbh90]

Very good.

At this point I'd recommend it above anything else on the market. There are a couple close ones but DAA is my fav to date. I wouldn't be surprised if it had some sort of positive effect on mood because it's made me very energetic and happy.

sounds good im getting pretty excited to start this cycle thanks for the help

LOL yep screw that non-sense.



Yeah, excellent product. 3-4 caps a day will do the trick(180-240mg/day)

cool ill pick up some l-dopa to go along with the DAA thanks for all the help definitely looking forward to starting in the next week

[THEHUGE]

sounds good im getting pretty excited to start this cycle thanks for the help



cool ill pick up some l-dopa to go along with the DAA thanks for all the help definitely looking forward to starting in the next week

I can anticipate some fun, nice stack.

[7percent]

I can anticipate some fun, nice stack.

Any reason to run piracetam or agmantine with this? Neuron mentioned that can help against possible nuerotoxicitiy? Also what are your thoughts on a 3 month cycle 3g a day?

[THEHUGE]

Any reason to run piracetam or agmantine with this? Neuron mentioned that can help against possible nuerotoxicitiy? Also what are your thoughts on a 3 month cycle 3g a day?

Isn't agmatine a NMDA antagonist? Ingesting a couple grams a day of DAA is not exactly like injecting a massive amount of NMDA directly into your brain. Once again, DAA has been widely used for years here in EU and no neurotoxicity reported(and none should be expected). 90 days is the standard administration lenght(a full spermiogenic cycle).
BTW,mucuna pruriens has neuroprotective properties.

[7percent]

Isn't agmatine a NMDA antagonist? Ingesting a couple grams a day of DAA is not exactly like injecting a massive amount of NMDA directly into your brain. Once again, DAA has been widely used for years here in EU and no neurotoxicity reported(and none should be expected). 90 days is the standard administration lenght(a full spermiogenic cycle).

Thanks man!

[THEHUGE]

Thanks man!

You're welcome.

[Ash16]

Thanks for the information the Huge.. i am a week into my DAA cycle and was dreading stopping after 2 weeks.. will def be on it for 4-6 weeks now..

already noticed slight increase in aggression.. takes almost nothing to set me off and bit better endurance in gym. no libido increase at all yet.. but i work so damn hard at work then gym then squash and baseball etc.. can too much physical activity kill libido?

also HUGE.. l-dopa a must with this stack.. how much difference would it be if i get some and add it in?

thanks heaps mate

[THEHUGE]

Thanks for the information the Huge.. i am a week into my DAA cycle and was dreading stopping after 2 weeks.. will def be on it for 4-6 weeks now..

already noticed slight increase in aggression.. takes almost nothing to set me off and bit better endurance in gym. no libido increase at all yet.. but i work so damn hard at work then gym then squash and baseball etc.. can too much physical activity kill libido?

also HUGE.. l-dopa a must with this stack.. how much difference would it be if i get some and add it in?

thanks heaps mate

Mucuna extract is not a must but definitely a valuable addition in my opinion.
Sure, overtraining can kill your libido.

[Intellectural]

Good info Huge- I have some DAA coming, I'm interested to see if it works as well as ProMax- my final review = pretty blown away by it, definitely the best test booster I've ever used and it lasted for about 2 weeks after I stopped taking pills. I was shedding pretty heavily, I'll be using spiro in the future to hopefully combat that issue. Disclaimer for anyone else reading- I am super prone to hair loss and any kind of test increase will make me drop hair.

[LOWTESTOSTERONE]

not sure OP..

[THEHUGE]

Good info Huge- I have some DAA coming, I'm interested to see if it works as well as ProMax- my final review = pretty blown away by it, definitely the best test booster I've ever used and it lasted for about 2 weeks after I stopped taking pills. I was shedding pretty heavily, I'll be using spiro in the future to hopefully combat that issue. Disclaimer for anyone else reading- I am super prone to hair loss and any kind of test increase will make me drop hair.

Thank you.

[Urban Monk]

Thank you.

Huge, do you think 250mg of 99% dopa 2x a day (morning and pre-bed) is too much?

Do you dose at the same time or does it just matter that you get the l-dopa in during the day while utilizing DAA?

Finally, I do 5 on, 2 off w/ the l-dopa. Should DAA also be 5 on/2off a week?

[canuckinfuts]

Huge,

Is it for hormonal reasons that test supps should go for a certain number of consecutive weeks?

[BIGNFIT]

The 12 day suggestion is based on mistaken reasoning. The makers of the supplement( the italian pharm company) used in the study, recommend it be taken for 90 days,12 day just happened to be the length of the study.

[JornT]

The 12 day suggestion is based on mistaken reasoning. The makers of the supplement( the italian pharm company) used in the study, recommend it be taken for 90 days,12 day just happened to be the length of the study.

It is not mistaken reasoning. It's evidence based reasoning. We kinda know what happens up to 12 days, not what happens after that. Some people probably did bloods while being longer on DAA and I think it is very unlikely that the results would diminish rapidly after 12 days, but we don't have clinical proof for it. Based on that, people have to choose for themselves if they're gonna do 12 day cycles or longer. But neither choice is either wrong or right.

I'm still worried about possible endotoxicity. Also, I'm curious to see the long term effects of DAA on various hormones. Has anyone done bloodwork on 4+ weeks that includes LH?

[cxm]

Any reason to run piracetam or agmantine with this? Neuron mentioned that can help against possible nuerotoxicitiy? Also what are your thoughts on a 3 month cycle 3g a day?

Isn't agmatine a NMDA antagonist? Ingesting a couple grams a day of DAA is not exactly like injecting a massive amount of NMDA directly into your brain. Once again, DAA has been widely used for years here in EU and no neurotoxicity reported(and none should be expected). 90 days is the standard administration lenght(a full spermiogenic cycle).
BTW,mucuna pruriens has neuroprotective properties.

Seems like the THEHUGE is right on this one, however I do not know if there is more complexity to NMDA and it's manipulation since this is above my education level.

Neurosci Res. 2005 Aug;52(4):387-92.

Effect of agmatine on heteromeric N-methyl-D-aspartate receptor channels.

Askalany AR, Yamakura T, Petrenko AB, Kohno T, Sakimura K, Baba H.

Division of Anesthesiology, Niigata University Graduate School of Medical and Dental Sciences, Niigata 951-8510, Japan.
Abstract

Endogenous polyamines like spermine are known to have four distinct effects on recombinant N-methyl-d-aspartate (NMDA) receptor channels: voltage-dependent inhibition, glycine-dependent stimulation, glycine-independent stimulation and decreased affinity to the agonist (l-glutamate). These effects are highly dependent on the constituting epsilon subunits (epsilon1-epsilon4) of the recombinant NMDA receptor channels. Agmatine reportedly inhibits native NMDA receptor channels in cultured hippocampal neurons. In the present investigation, the effects of agmatine on the epsilon/zeta heteromeric NMDA receptor channels expressed in Xenopus laevis oocytes were examined using the two-electrode voltage clamp method. Agmatine inhibited the four epsilon/zeta (epsilon1/zeta1, epsilon2/zeta1, epsilon3/zeta1 and epsilon4/zeta1) channels with similar sensitivity (an IC50 value of about 300microM at -70mV). This effect was dependent on the membrane potential and was more pronounced at hyperpolarized membrane potentials (voltage-dependent inhibition). Agmatine did not exhibit other stimulatory (glycine-dependent and -independent effects) or inhibitory (decreased affinity to l-glutamate) effects. These properties are similar to the pharmacological profile of well-characterized NMDA receptor channel blockers like phencyclidine and ********. Thus, regarding the effects on the NMDA receptor channels, agmatine is not like other endogenous polyamines rather it acts as a channel blocker.

PMID: 15982768 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15982768