Intra workout supps hinder gains?

[xStevenx]

i could be completely wrong, and please correct me if I am but:

But lifting weights, is a catabolic activity, the goal of lifting weights is to cause "damage" to the muscle fibers so they have to repair themselves.

but consuming a product like, xtend, for example. it helps you stay "anabolic" during your workout. thus making you less catabolic.

doesnt that in a way defeat the whole purpose of lifting, well not defeat, but you know what i mean.

i have been using xtend for a long time, but the past month i stopped drinking it during my workouts, and only having it post and for cardio and my gains have been much better than before!

[ryangomes24]

I train at 8pm and after my workout i obtain, whey and casieing protein 40 grams, and a gatorade, but my question is do i eat a full meal after since i do not get out of the gym at 930pm from training.

[xStevenx]

I train at 8pm and after my workout i obtain, whey and casieing protein 40 grams, and a gatorade, but my question is do i eat a full meal after since i do not get out of the gym at 930pm from training.

i always have a full meal after my shake regardless of the time
and isnt that a little off topic?

[AtomAnt70]

There will be muscle breakdown while you are actively lifting whether you take amino acids or not. Products with BCAA's simply limit the breakdown so you can recover fuller and faster. They also compete with free tryptophan for receptors in the brain so by increasing BCAA levels it can decrease feelings of fatigue allowing for more productive workouts.

My experience is opposite of yours because I have seen greater gains using intra-workout amino acid supplements.

[xStevenx]

There will be muscle breakdown while you are actively lifting whether you take amino acids or not. Products with BCAA's simply limit the breakdown so you can recover fuller and faster. They also compete with free tryptophan for receptors in the brain so by increasing BCAA levels it can decrease feelings of fatigue allowing for more productive workouts.

My experience is opposite of yours because I have seen greater gains using intra-workout amino acid supplements.

but wouldnt more muscle breakdown all room for more growth?

[in10city]

Check out this thread. Lots of good discussion there.

IntraWO AAs: Does Hindering Muscle Damage Limit Subsequent Muscle Growth?

Obviously there won't be one catch-all answer since the net effect of everything - supplementation, timing, dosing, diet, exercise protocol, etc... need to be added up. That thread hits upon many of the various micro-effects that can produce a macro-effect.

[AtomAnt70]

but wouldnt more muscle breakdown all room for more growth?

No because more nutrients would be needed to move from a catabolic state to an anabolic state. If you limit breakdown, more nutrients can be used to rebuild larger than before instead of bringing back to where you started from.

[QuietKhaos]

BCAA's will aid you in longer and more intense workouts because the breakdown isn't as easy or as fast or "as much"...however you want to say it. At the end of your workout, you will have been able to do more reps at the same weight you would have done before making a better workout. More intense workout equals greater strength...greater strength inturn makes for greater muscle gain.

[mrbeverage]

i may be off base on this but, creating muscle damage for repair and future growth is good, but what you want to avoid is your body breaking down muscle to simple aminos to fuel your work out, and that is where intra drinks come in handy, they kind of run roughshot during times of catabolism- keeping a constant feed stream to the muscle. that has always been my understanding.

[bloodsimple1234]

well basically they don't hinder gains.

[tonutzda2@veriz]

hmm

[Patrick Arnold]

i could be completely wrong, and please correct me if I am but:

But lifting weights, is a catabolic activity, the goal of lifting weights is to cause "damage" to the muscle fibers so they have to repair themselves.

but consuming a product like, xtend, for example. it helps you stay "anabolic" during your workout. thus making you less catabolic.

doesnt that in a way defeat the whole purpose of lifting, well not defeat, but you know what i mean.

i have been using xtend for a long time, but the past month i stopped drinking it during my workouts, and only having it post and for cardio and my gains have been much better than before!

research strongly supports the benefits of pre or intra workout nutrition.

nice theory, but reality is something else

maybe you need to moderate your intake of the stuff. drink less and make it more dilute. you don't need much, and if you are eating before you workout they are useless. sometimes these drinks can make you sluggish if you overdo them

[Patrick Arnold]

There will be muscle breakdown while you are actively lifting whether you take amino acids or not. Products with BCAA's simply limit the breakdown so you can recover fuller and faster. .

the initial breakdown happens from the simple mechanical strain on the fibers as they exhaust and tear.

after that, they can be damaged more (and not in a good way) if the metabolic environment in the muscle is not adequate to support full recovery. recovery initiates immediately after damage is done, which means pre and/or intraworkout intake of adequate amino acids and carbs is essential

what i mean by "not in a good way" is that damaged muscle is extra prone to catabolism (protein degradation and loss of other vital myocelluar components). Which way your muscles are gonna go depends on how you prepare

[Patrick Arnold]

point to remember


intra workout nutrition will not influence the extent of the damage done to your muscle fibers during exercise.

it is only after the damage that they have influence.