Alternative Excersizes for Pull Ups

[kimlin85]

Seriously.

You made a comment like this regarding deadlift grip:



in response to someone who is MUCH more knowledgeable than you giving you helpful advice.

Now think about that in the context of someone training for 6 months. It sounds like a 14 year old kid justifying smoking by saying his 18 year old brother smokes cigarettes and doesn't have lung cancer...therefore smoking doesn't cause lung cancer.

i didn't go into that thread ASKING for advice, actually i complimented the OP for how much she DLs. i personaly haven't noticed any imbalances, but the post AFTER mine was pretty eye opening. did i agrue with it? nope!!

[nads786]

thats fine, ill take your word on that one. if he's knowledgeable then i can absolutely respect that, which seems to be the case if everyone says so. the ONLY reason i argued with him is because he started off attacking. i dont research everyone in here before posting.

thatz your problem your posting too much, post less, give less advice, ask more questions

you dont know much, dont give your opinion

[SquatTilYouDrop]

i dont think time is the best measure for knowledge in all cases. there are people who do something improperly for years, does this mean they know more than someone who is newer?

Experience is key in a discipline like bodybuilding. It's individualistic and always a work in progress.

After you've been lifting for a few years..Had a couple injuries...Progress has had it's ups and downs....Your cocky know it all attitude will change. This is meant to be constructive criticism....Not an attack!

[Defiant1]

thats fine, ill take your word on that one. if he's knowledgeable then i can absolutely respect that, which seems to be the case if everyone says so. the ONLY reason i argued with him is because he started off attacking. i dont research everyone in here before posting.

Attacking? I made a general post.

Nothing is worse on this F*CKING site than someone who just started working out making blanket statements like they know what's up.

Do you see your name mentioned anywhere?

yet this was the response:

LOL you have no idea when i started working out.

[tropo]

I know many people who are your size and have NO PROBLEMS at all doing pullups. I also do lat pulldowns. I think they compliment pullups very well.

My problem with your original statement was......It sounded like you were making blanket statements for all people who are 200Lbs + with long arms....They should not do pullups because physiologically they are not designed to do them.

I just think that's a load of horse ****!....Did I read that wrong??

Yes, you read that wrong.

My original statement was this:

"How beneficial pull ups are has a lot to do with bodyweight and how many reps people can do in perfect form when they start out."

After that I was giving my own personal experience with pullups.


And maybe you do know some heavy guys who have no problems with pullups, but there's a lot more who do. They are not the best movement for heavy guys. Perhaps thats why you don't see too many pros doing pullups in their training videos...because they have trouble doing them well.

The only pro who I saw (on video) doing pullups recently was Victor Martinez, and he was doing a partial pullup with his chin nowhere near the bar. Go back and check out Lee Haney doing them...not easy either.

Let's take Jay Cutler for example. He weighs around 300 lbs or more off season. He uses the full stack on lat pulldowns at 300 lbs with cheating (swinging) form. How many pullups in good form do you think he could do?

[Turco]

[kimlin85]

im really trying to be open minded and listen/take advice here. squattillyoudrop i see what you're saying, but nads and defiant i really don't want to just go back and forth arguing over pointless crap. the topic is getting totally derailed and that was not my intent. ill say for the third time i shouldn't have made a blanket statement. does that help?

[jdmalm123]

Hey, kids...stop everything, I think Kyo is working on something new!!

[Defiant1]

im really trying to be open minded and listen/take advice here. squattillyoudrop i see what you're saying, but nads and defiant i really don't want to just go back and forth arguing over pointless crap. the topic is getting totally derailed and that was not my intent. ill say for the third time i shouldn't have made a blanket statement. does that help?

no.

[Defiant1]

sorry, couldn't resist.

[RU4A69]

Hey, kids...stop everything, I think Kyo is working on something new!!

I almost pissed my pants laughing..............

[kimlin85]

Hey, kids...stop everything, I think Kyo is working on something new!!

umm.. hmmm.... the hell is that?

[DiamondDelts]

MOAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jdmalm123]

umm.. hmmm.... the hell is that?

It's proof that you haven't been around that long...



I like you but, that, and a $4.50, will buy you a latte.

[kimlin85]

Yes, you read that wrong.

My original statement was this:

"How beneficial pull ups are has a lot to do with bodyweight and how many reps people can do in perfect form when they start out."

After that I was giving my own personal experience with pullups.


And maybe you do know some heavy guys who have no problems with pullups, but there's a lot more who do. They are not the best movement for heavy guys. Perhaps thats why you don't see too many pros doing pullups in their training videos...because they have trouble doing them well.

The only pro who I saw (on video) doing pullups recently was Victor Martinez, and he was doing a partial pullup with his chin nowhere near the bar. Go back and check out Lee Haney doing them...not easy either.

Let's take Jay Cutler for example. He weighs around 300 lbs or more off season. He uses the full stack on lat pulldowns at 300 lbs with cheating (swinging) form. How many pullups in good form do you think he could do?

ok im straight up asking, are there certain bodytypes, weights, or heights that have an advantage in pullups? or is it just an excuse people use when they don't want to do them? (not saying you tropo). i've heard so many people tell me that since im so short its easier to do them.

[nads786]

Hey, kids...stop everything, I think Kyo is working on something new!!

is this video really made my him?

[jdmalm123]

ok im straight up asking, are there certain bodytypes, weights, or heights that have an advantage in pullups? or is it just an excuse people use when they don't want to do them? (not saying you tropo). i've heard so many people tell me that since im so short its easier to do them.

strength to weight ratio is often greater in smaller-framed individuals

plus smaller lever arms...

[jdmalm123]

is this video really made my him?

no, no, I was just trying to break up the cat fight...

[SquatTilYouDrop]

Yes, you read that wrong.

My original statement was this:

"How beneficial pull ups are has a lot to do with bodyweight and how many reps people can do in perfect form when they start out."

After that I was giving my own personal experience with pullups.


And maybe you do know some heavy guys who have no problems with pullups, but there's a lot more who do. They are not the best movement for heavy guys. Perhaps thats why you don't see too many pros doing pullups in their training videos...because they have trouble doing them well.

The only pro who I saw (on video) doing pullups recently was Victor Martinez, and he was doing a partial pullup with his chin nowhere near the bar. Go back and check out Lee Haney doing them...not easy either.

Let's take Jay Cutler for example. He weighs around 300 lbs or more off season. He uses the full stack on lat pulldowns at 300 lbs with cheating (swinging) form. How many pullups in good form do you think he could do?

I'll bet you three fitty that pros no pullups.

[tropo]

ok im straight up asking, are there certain bodytypes, weights, or heights that have an advantage in pullups? or is it just an excuse people use when they don't want to do them? (not saying you tropo). i've heard so many people tell me that since im so short its easier to do them.

You'll never see 200 lb guys winning pullup competitions. You'll never see heavy champion rock climbers either. The big guys will have more absolute strength, but in strength to weight ratios the small guys will always win.

Sure, you'll find some gifted heavyweight freaks of nature who will do plenty of pullups, but they'll never beat the good lightweight guys.

[mAssholio]

I'll bet you three fitty that pros no pullups.

[kimlin85]

You'll never see 200 lb guys winning pullup competitions. You'll never see heavy champion rock climbers either. The big guys will have more absolute strength, but in strength to weight ratios the small guys will always win.

Sure, you'll find some gifted heavyweight freaks of nature who will do plenty of pullups, but they'll never beat the good lightweight guys.

makes sense. are we talking endurance here? as in more reps for lighter or smaller people. do they still have an advantage when it comes to weighting them?

[tropo]

I'll bet you three fitty that pros no pullups.

Nice chatting! Enjoy your pullups!

[mAssholio]

You'll never see 200 lb guys winning pullup competitions. You'll never see heavy champion rock climbers either. The big guys will have more absolute strength, but in strength to weight ratios the small guys will always win.

Sure, you'll find some gifted heavyweight freaks of nature who will do plenty of pullups, but they'll never beat the good lightweight guys.

http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/ExtremistPullup/

5'11" 200lbs

[SquatTilYouDrop]

MOAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Did you put extra butter on that popcorn??

Hey, kids...stop everything, I think Kyo is working on something new!!

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lmao....The standing ab plow

strength to weight ratio is often greater in smaller-framed individuals

plus smaller lever arms...

An ant can lift something like 10 times their own body weight.

[tropo]

Great back! I counted 7 pullups. Not exactly record breaking is it?

[mAssholio]

Great back! I counted 7 pullups. Not exactly record breaking is it?

I'm eagerly waiting on a response to my post that came after that

[tropo]

http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/ExtremistPullup/

5'11" 200lbs

I've watched all his videos. He's very strong at pullups but he's not in any pullup contest.

There are no pullup contests for weighted pullups, they're all for reps. How would you judge a weighted pullup contest? Added weight, or total weight?

[SquatTilYouDrop]

Great back! I counted 7 pullups. Not exactly record breaking is it?

The point is they do them for BACK DEVELOPMENT....not Guinness endurance records....The numbers are irrelevant. Results are all that matters.

BTW...The form they demonstrated looked solid to me!

[R_Bid]

I'm eagerly waiting on a response to my post that came after that

the wikipedia link showing Extremist Pullup might just ice that cake.