How could communism and Marxism actually work?

[Paul Kreul]

Von Mises - lol

Doesn't change the fact that individual liberty/freedom is a primary tenet of Marxism.

Can you give an example of that in practice?

[J.L.C.]

Can you give an example of that in practice?

Have you read any Marx?

[~Hades~]

Sounds kinda like capitalism...

Are you really comparing the murders and deaths under communist and socialist dictators to any deaths under capitalism?

[Paul Kreul]

Have you read any Marx?

I asked for an example in practice

[J.L.C.]

I asked for an example in practice

I know.

[J.L.C.]

Are you really comparing the murders and deaths under communist and socialist dictators to any deaths under capitalism?

Nop

[Paul Kreul]

I know.

Can you provide any?

[J.L.C.]

Can you provide any?

I can't think of any historical manifestations of Marxism.

[Paul Kreul]

I can't think of any historical manifestations of Marxism.

Oh..so stating.."individual liberty/freedom is a primary tenet of Marxism". Is just here-say since we have never seen this in practice

[J.L.C.]

Oh..so stating.."individual liberty/freedom is a primary tenet of Marxism". Is just here-say since we have never seen this in practice

Well no. It's what Marx wrote, so not hearsay.

[Paul Kreul]

Well no. It's what Marx wrote, so not hearsay.

that would be hear-say


"Here-say refers to information that you have heard but do not know to be true. It is unverified, unofficial information gained or acquired from another and not part of your direct knowledge. Here-say can be in the form of rumors, gossip, or second-hand information that has not been confirmed or verified."

[~Hades~]

Nop

lol yes you were. And now lying about it when it’s clear as day.

[Gainzzz]

Marx was a fat smelly Jew lol

[J.L.C.]

that would be hear-say


"Here-say refers to information that you have heard but do not know to be true. It is unverified, unofficial information gained or acquired from another and not part of your direct knowledge. Here-say can be in the form of rumors, gossip, or second-hand information that has not been confirmed or verified."

Well no.

Marxism is outlined in Marx's works. There's no need to hear it from anyone else - it's all freely available for you to read for yourself.

[Paul Kreul]

Well no.

Marxism is outlined in Marx's works. There's no need to hear it from anyone else - it's all freely available for you to read for yourself.

You are reading it second-hand, it is not demonstrated in practice..that makes it hear-say

Cannot claim.. "individual liberty/freedom is a primary tenet of Marxism"....if you cannot give evidence for it in practice

[Bodhy]

that would be hear-say


"Here-say refers to information that you have heard but do not know to be true. It is unverified, unofficial information gained or acquired from another and not part of your direct knowledge. Here-say can be in the form of rumors, gossip, or second-hand information that has not been confirmed or verified."

Referring to Marx's original writings is what academia would call a "primary source", it's not hearsay, lol.

[Paul Kreul]

Referring to Marx's original writings is what academia would call a "primary source", it's not hearsay, lol.

That's still hearsay..read the definition again dum dum. The only person that could read his hand-writing was Engles..and again no examples in practice

[J.L.C.]

You are reading it second-hand, it is not demonstrated in practice..that makes it hear-say

Cannot claim.. "individual liberty/freedom is a primary tenet of Marxism"....if you cannot give evidence for it in practice

No, I'm reading it first-hand. Are the dictionary and Constitution hearsay?

Read his work.

Just lol

[Paul Kreul]

No, I'm reading it first-hand. Are the dictionary and Constitution hearsay?

Just lol

Really..you can read Marx's handwriting? Can you post it for us?

[J.L.C.]

Really..you can read Marx's handwriting? Can you post it for us?

He published the work.

Just lol

[Paul Kreul]

He published the work.

Just lol

Engles published..you can't read Marx lol




That would be hearsay

[J.L.C.]

Engles published..you can't read Marx lol




That would be hearsay

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/



"First Published: in German in 1867;
First Published in English: 1887;
Source: First English edition of 1887 (4th German edition changes included as indicated) with some modernisation of spelling;
Publisher: Progress Publishers, Moscow, USSR;
Translated: Samuel Moore and Edward Aveling, edited by Frederick Engels"

Just lol

[Paul Kreul]

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/



"First Published: in German in 1867;
First Published in English: 1887;
Source: First English edition of 1887 (4th German edition changes included as indicated) with some modernisation of spelling;
Publisher: Progress Publishers, Moscow, USSR;
Translated: Samuel Moore and Edward Aveling, edited by Frederick Engels"

Just lol

What’s that last line…”Translated: Samuel Moore and Edward Aveling, edited by Frederick Engels;”

So you can’t provide Marx’s own writings…which makes the above hearsay. LMAO

[J.L.C.]

What’s that last line…”Translated: Samuel Moore and Edward Aveling, edited by Frederick Engels;”

So you can’t provide Marx’s own writings…which makes the above hearsay. LMAO

You quoted the picture of the published (typed!) book.

It's truly hilarious how you double down on nonsense.

[CrimsonSteel]

Well, first you brainwash a bunch of morons into believing there's a chance for a perfect utopian society where everyone is morally sound and willing to share the stuff they worked hard for with other people who might not even work at all. You get them SO invested in this idea, it becomes part of their personality. You galvanize them against the bourgeoisie to a point of genocidal hatred. Note: in modern Cultural Marxism, the bourgeoisie is white people, masculine men, Christian / Catholics, boomers, right wingers; pretty much anyone that isn't a sniveling little commie chithead. These are your useful idiots. Note: In modern Cultural Marxism, they are called Useful Retards.

So the Useful Idiots are radicalized and then used to destabilize nations, sway / force public opinion, struggle session opponents, essentially bully anyone who isn't part of the cult. They undermine individualism, force totalitarian "comradeship," they burn books, they snitch on their neighbors and even on their own friends and family. It is a political cult - all loyalty must flow back to the cult. So much so, that one of their primary goals is to infiltrate and destroy traditions and cultures. Useful Retards take it a step further and try to destroy not only traditions of western society, but also attempt to "subvert" objective reality itself.

"Math is racist, stop using it. Music theory is rooted in white supremacy, what are you, a bigot? Gender is a social construct, you can be whatever you want...well, besides a masculine white man, of course."

Historically, the Useful Idiots are unceremoniously lined up against brick walls and shot dead once the dictatorship has taken full root. From there it's all about killing the most people and pretending it's for "progress" or for a "cultural revolution." The dictatorship is in power, but the mask never really comes off. Mao will kill millions of his own people through gross incompetence...or maybe the incompetence is manufactured as an excuse to commit mass genocide? Who knows. But at the end of the day, in every single nation poisoned by this cancerous, exceedingly selfish ideology, millions upon millions of people die.

What we're seeing now draws from many different things. It's Marxism, it's Communism, it's Maoism, it's Rules for Radicals, it's Critical Theory, it's Post-Modernism, it's a blend of a dozen different retarded theories that should be used as an exercise in college courses, not a basis of education, society, and culture.

tl;dr - It doesn't work and people who think it can are brainwashed ph@660ts who would slit your throat for disagreeing with even 5% politics if they think it'd get them brownie points with other cult members.

[Paul Kreul]

You quoted the picture of the published (typed!) book.

It's truly hilarious how you double down on nonsense.

Really..so tell us what that picture says..lol

[J.L.C.]

Really..so tell us what that picture says..lol

Read it in German, if that's you're preference. But at least read it before critiquing or making claims regarding the philosophy.

Original works are not hearsay.

If you're of the opinion that subsequent editions and translations deviate markedly from the original German 1st edition, prove It

[Paul Kreul]

Read it in German, if that's you're preference. But at least read it before critiquing or making claims regarding the philosophy.

Original works are not hearsay.

If you're of the opinion that subsequent editions and translations deviate markedly from the original German 1st edition, prove It

You did not recite it..even if you could read German..you can’t read that handwriting..what you read of Marx is second sourced..hearsay

[J.L.C.]

You did not recite it..even if you could read German..you can’t read that handwriting..what you read of Marx is second sourced..hearsay

He didn't publish his hand written notes.

The books he wrote were published by a publisher and typed, obviously. What a ridiculous red herring.

Just lol

Regardless, individual liberty for all, is a primary/foundational tenet of Marxism.

[Paul Kreul]

He didn't publish his hand written notes.

The books he wrote were typed and published by a publisher, obviously. What a ridiculous red herring.

Just lol

Marx did not type his own books.