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08-17-2023, 03:49 PM #31
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08-17-2023, 04:02 PM #32
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08-17-2023, 04:47 PM #33
You only need to go full carnivore if you have food allergies.
I don’t. But eat:
Meat
Chicken
Seafood
Fruit
Honey
White rice
Haven’t eaten vegetables in years. They make me bloated/feel like crap.
Don’t like being in Ketosis and I prefer my performance on carbs.
Bread/grains , potato, vegetables and oils are all not necessary.
Also my blood work is good as well.
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08-18-2023, 07:35 AM #34
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08-18-2023, 07:54 AM #35
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08-18-2023, 08:00 AM #36
Pretty hard to justify the beef prices right now. I eat steak on the reg, but no way I'd pay beef prices and go 100% beef. I fill in the rest with fruit, bread, and bacon. Even then, it's hard to hit the calories I need. Doesn't seem realistic unless you hunt.
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08-18-2023, 08:09 AM #37
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08-18-2023, 08:11 AM #38
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08-18-2023, 08:15 AM #39
Its great for cutting, because honestly its hard to get the calories in and it ups the protein content too.
Honestly feel better with some carbs, Im just selective with my sources. Im mostly dairy, some fruit and then occasional rice and potatos on days I lift. I feel a ton better, I have just thrown veg out for the most part.
Also I dont worry about the timing of the carbs or any of that gay chit, I tend to just eat them at night. Find it helps my sleep, deals with cravings, keeps energy levels consistent. Maybe a bit of fruit after lunch.
Basic meals
Breakfast (I skip some days) -
1. 6-8 scrambled eggs, parmesan cheese
2. Milk, greek yogurt, 3 egg omlette
3. Small steak, eggs
Lunch
Meat (any), a bit of cheese, chit like avos, olives, fruit on days Im in the gym
Dinner
Meat, then some rice or potatos, sweet or white, pumpkin, yams, that sort of thing. Fruit again if I feel like something sweet.
Occasional carb heavy days Ill go nuts on sushi, occasional cheeseburger, pizza, ice cream, etc. Always at night. Keeps me sane.
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08-18-2023, 08:21 AM #40
Carnivore diet is eating only meat right? It sounds like the most retarded diet plan ever TBH.
First your body cannot absord all that protein you eat optimally and since protein is slowly absorbed get ready for some Elvis experience in the toilet. It is also bad for your hearth, kidneys, liver
Also you need potassium for recovery and energy levels at the gym.
Overall it is absolute bro-science BS. Eat your healthy carbs and fat
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08-18-2023, 08:49 AM #41
100% this. I've basically realized to get into good shape all you need to do is:
1. Eat less - be it through IF or sheer willpower. Unless you're an elite athlete competing, you simply don't need that much food period
2. Eat enough protein. You don't need an insane amount of protein, but you need way more than the retarded diet guidelines currently posted. 0.7g per lb of bodyweight is usually a sufficient minimum IME
3. Eat less processed foods. The more ingredients on the box, especially ones you can't pronounce, the worse it is
4. Goes hand-in-hand with 3 - eat nutrient dense food. This will naturally happen as you reduce your intake of junk
That's pretty much it. People want a silver bullet diet that'll let them engorge themselves on a food/food group they like eating, but that doesn't exist.
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08-18-2023, 09:01 AM #42
another good point to bring up is don't try to cut as fast as possible
when you realize it's a slow and steady process you'll get better results
essentially try to milk out the smallest deficit you can aslong as you can. start with a 200 - 33 cal deficit and reassess after 2 weeks. If the weight is slowly going leave it be. if you stall than it's time to make a small change
if you go yolo with a 1500 cal deficit your metabolism will slow the **** down and you will have no where left to goStats: 6 foot, 240 pounds
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08-18-2023, 09:05 AM #43
It's another fad diet, like Atkins, gluten-free, paleo, etc.
If there was any advantage of carnivore you would see more top tier athletes/bodybuilders doing it. Most professional athletes that depend on their body to perform are eating a balance of protein/carbs/fats with calories tailored to requirements.
There's probably an advantage of goal-setting/accomplishment but there's other ways to do that.
Remember the most famous promoters of the carnivore diet are not top-tier athletes. They're salesmen. Joe Rogan, Jordan and Mikayla Peterson, Shawn Baker, are not top tier athletes.
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08-18-2023, 12:27 PM #44
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08-18-2023, 12:48 PM #45
Within a week or two the diarrhea ends and digestion/poops are the GOAT.
Not sure why when you eat carnivore you get diarrhea. Kind of funny though because anyone hears about the diet and they automatically assume everyone is constipated because no fiber in the diet. Quite the opposite actually. Hershey squirts for a week or two then regular/perfect poops.
The promoters of the diet are people with food allergies that need to remove certain foods from their diet. There are literally thousands of people that swear different allergies/issues have been completely reversed/healed by going carnivore. There are also people that have been full carnivore for 10+ years with excellent health markers that swear their medical issues have been healed and they have no intentions on going back.
You only hear from the influencers/big names but if you really check around on the groups. There are hundreds of thousands of people that report the diet works for them/cured their issues.
If you don't have some kind of food allergy. Then yeah, its pretty stupid to go full carnivore.
Assuming you shop local markets and/or find places with sales, beef really isn't that expensive man. I can find ground beef/certain cuts of beef for 3.99 a pound. And if you find the right places steaks as cheap as 7.99/lb.
Assuming you wanted to go full carnivore you can probably eat for $12-15 a day with no issues assuming 2.5-3lb of meat per day. So $450 a month or less for all of your meals. That's cheap.
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08-18-2023, 01:33 PM #46
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08-18-2023, 03:27 PM #47
The thing is, im not trying to be a pro-athlete. Most of us arent training 4-8 hours a day. I get how carbs will improve your athletic performance but at the same time i dont need to be the best in the world at anything. My physique is pretty much perfect as it is as well, so im not doing it for looks either. Also, many of those pro athletes complain that they feel like **** often, and being the best at anything and taking your body to such extremes really mess them up.
Its for health reasons. Mainly to see for myself whats up. Its one month, it wont hurt to try. That way i wont have to listen to joe rogan/jordan peterson/miscers on their opinions about it. Btw tons of doctors are on this diet as well, plenty of regular ass people too that have changed to it. What they gonna sell you, meat? Its not a money thing for them.
The way i see it, thats how humans ate since the beggining of time. There wasnt a 7 eleven on every corner or a chick fil a 3 minutes from work. They ate meat and fruits, and thats it.
Yeah thats a common theme ive seen. First two weeks are basically toilet city, after that your body adapts and thats when you start feeling the positives.
Broscience is what you are saying brah 100% srs. The diet isnt even that high in protein, its supposed to be around 70% calories from fat and the other 30% from protein, which in a 3k calorie diet (my case), it would be only 225 grams of protein which is pretty damn basic for a person that lifts and has my physique.
Meat isnt bad for your hearth/kidney/liver. Ive probably seen dozens of videos of Chad doctors laughing at arguments like these and proving them wrong. Those myths are similar to the "dont eat carbs at night" bull**** lol, its completely disproven by now."The flowers bloom, then wither... The stars shine and one day become extinct. This earth, the sun, the galaxies and even the big universe, someday will be destroyed. Compared with that, the human life is only a blink, just a little time. In that short time - people are born, laugh, cry, fight, are injured, feel joy, sadness, hate someone, love someone. All in just a moment. And then, are embraced by the eternal sleep called death."
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08-18-2023, 03:29 PM #48"The flowers bloom, then wither... The stars shine and one day become extinct. This earth, the sun, the galaxies and even the big universe, someday will be destroyed. Compared with that, the human life is only a blink, just a little time. In that short time - people are born, laugh, cry, fight, are injured, feel joy, sadness, hate someone, love someone. All in just a moment. And then, are embraced by the eternal sleep called death."
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08-18-2023, 03:41 PM #49
What state you in bro? Costco has decent quality meat but can be fairly pricey. I did just buy 3lb of ground beef from them for 3.99/lb though which is a fair price.
I get a bunch of sales papers from all the local grocery stores sent to my house 1x a week in the mail. Its annoying AF but there are tons of deals at local grocery stores. I've seen brisket for as cheap as 1.99/lb. Sirloin steak for as cheap as 5.99/lb. Ribeye/t-bone for 9.99/lb. And other skirt steak for around 7.99/lb. Unless you live in an extremely small town. There should be well over a dozen different smaller grocery stores in your area.
People go to Walmart, Target, Costco, etc. and pay a ton for marked up beef (and eggs). Local stores typically have higher prices but frequently run deals (sometimes just a deal of the day) that are awesome...
I buy a 40lb slab of Brisket fairly frequently for just $85ish.
If you must shop at Costco the ground beef is like $3.99/lb and the ground Bison is like $7 a pound or something like that. Comes in 3lb packs.
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08-18-2023, 03:41 PM #50
Tried to transition form keto to carnivore and couldn't do it since I was pissing out my azz for 4 days. We were busy at work so I had to stop because I couldn't keep sitting on the toilet all day haha.
I want to try it at some point as well. Just need to get over the first week hump of chitting everything out.
The problem is that meat is expensive now. If I were to do it I would eat mainly ribeyes for the fat/protein ratio, then add tallow, butter and eggs. But ribeyes are expensive af right now. So what I would do is get chuckeye steak instead because they are just a tougher cut version of ribeyes and much cheaper. Then I'd marinate them overnight to help break them down a bit, and then reverse sear cook them. Otherwise you could slow cook them in a crock pot. Then I'd try to find 80/20 grass fed ground beef. Maybe slow cook some pork belly for a fatty snack when I feel like eating leaner cuts of red meat certain days. Only get pasture raised eggs or local eggs.
I've tried most diets at this point and realized that diets are just tools. They all have a purpose. I think carnivore is a great tool for a sort of reset for the body and want to give it a go.
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08-18-2023, 03:47 PM #51
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08-18-2023, 03:49 PM #52
Im close friends with a meat seller/producer, so i think im set there. I just dont think his animals are grass fed, but i cant do everything perfect at first lol
You just described pretty much the basic carnivore diet lol. Most people eat pretty much everything you posted and thats it.
Im not planning on going super hardcore tho, im just gonna 100% commit at first to see really whats up, just as ive done with pretty much every popular diet. One thing i did try that seemed retarded at first was IF, and i stuck by it and thats probably the biggest difference ive ever felt from a change in eating habits. I remember going a bit crazy for not eating any protein whatsoever until 4pm, i thought i was going to lose tons of muscle mass, yet i achieved the best physique of my life instead.
Thats when something clicked and i thought "oh... maybe what everyone does or says is not always the correct/best way to do things".
For whatever reason i have a feeling that this may be legit. Ive always felt like we are being slowly poisoned by the food industry, and honestly i dont eat the best way either, im a big guy that loves sugar, so thats not a good combination.
Ill try it for a month, see how i feel, then if i really like it, maybe try to reintroduce things like fruits, nuts, etc with the ocassional cheat meal. I mean we only live once right"The flowers bloom, then wither... The stars shine and one day become extinct. This earth, the sun, the galaxies and even the big universe, someday will be destroyed. Compared with that, the human life is only a blink, just a little time. In that short time - people are born, laugh, cry, fight, are injured, feel joy, sadness, hate someone, love someone. All in just a moment. And then, are embraced by the eternal sleep called death."
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08-18-2023, 03:58 PM #53
Yea you nailed it. My huge thought change on diets was keto. IF was amazing for cutting and for time management, but keto was something else. I did a very strict keto for 3 months and literally felt like what I think ******** (addy or ritalin. not sure why that's censored) would feel like. Clearest my mind has ever been, amazing digestion health (pooped maybe once a day and never farted or burped), and never had food cravings or ever snacked. It's just not a diet to do as a lifestyle though, similar to everything else because it does have eventual issues.
I think my plan right now is to give carnivore a 30 day try as well but not until post xmas when I have off time haha. Then just as you said you would do, I would then shift to sort of the "animal-based" diet that dr. paul saladino does to try that. Then go from there.
I always try all these diets to see what works best for me, what each one does, and what it can offer to me so that I can use these diets as tools for if anything happens in life or ever have some dietary restrictions or physical goals or something.
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08-18-2023, 04:13 PM #54
Yeah, i think im starting on september. I have a beach trip next weekend so its probably not a good idea to start now lol. Imma bump this thread or create a new one with my starting blood test results and maybe some pics and just update it there so you or others can see my experience with it.
The main thing that is currently bothering me is a lack of energy/drive in the mornings, general lack of interest on everything, bad sleep, and see if im carrying some inflammation that im unaware of."The flowers bloom, then wither... The stars shine and one day become extinct. This earth, the sun, the galaxies and even the big universe, someday will be destroyed. Compared with that, the human life is only a blink, just a little time. In that short time - people are born, laugh, cry, fight, are injured, feel joy, sadness, hate someone, love someone. All in just a moment. And then, are embraced by the eternal sleep called death."
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08-18-2023, 04:18 PM #55
Yea definitely make a thread and update it. I'm curious and will comment. I'm on keto now fully so I'm already noticing less inflammation and a much sharper mind. The energy gets better over time and my sleep is finally almost completely uninterrupted. Also don't even need to sleep as much tbh. Curious to see how carnivore would be with those things. I always figured it would be like an even better version of keto in terms of the positives.
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08-18-2023, 04:21 PM #56"The flowers bloom, then wither... The stars shine and one day become extinct. This earth, the sun, the galaxies and even the big universe, someday will be destroyed. Compared with that, the human life is only a blink, just a little time. In that short time - people are born, laugh, cry, fight, are injured, feel joy, sadness, hate someone, love someone. All in just a moment. And then, are embraced by the eternal sleep called death."
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08-18-2023, 04:42 PM #57
Yea keto you eat vegetables and up to about 50g carbs at most throughout the day. Some people go a little more mediterranian diet and some more more "ketovore" closer to carnivore.
I guess it's the fact that you still utilize vegetables for some fiber intake as your mechanism for helping your bowel movements. I still eat some nuts, raw milk cheese, some raw milk, extra virgin olive oils, usually low fodmap veggies, etc with the meat/eggs. I keep my carb intake at about 40g most days now.
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08-18-2023, 04:44 PM #58
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08-18-2023, 04:45 PM #59
Yeah, that sounds way easier to follow, other than most doctors pro-carnivore diet absolutely hate the idea of eating anything with any kind of oil or any veggies whatsoever.
I refuse to believe we live in a world where white rice, organic potatoes, nuts, berries etc are bad for you lol. Im just not buying that one"The flowers bloom, then wither... The stars shine and one day become extinct. This earth, the sun, the galaxies and even the big universe, someday will be destroyed. Compared with that, the human life is only a blink, just a little time. In that short time - people are born, laugh, cry, fight, are injured, feel joy, sadness, hate someone, love someone. All in just a moment. And then, are embraced by the eternal sleep called death."
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08-18-2023, 04:50 PM #60"The flowers bloom, then wither... The stars shine and one day become extinct. This earth, the sun, the galaxies and even the big universe, someday will be destroyed. Compared with that, the human life is only a blink, just a little time. In that short time - people are born, laugh, cry, fight, are injured, feel joy, sadness, hate someone, love someone. All in just a moment. And then, are embraced by the eternal sleep called death."
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