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    Another game I couldn't stand. I hate hard games where enemies don't follow the same rules as you do. Nioh had the same problem.
    True for Nioh, not true for Elden Ring. Anything the boss can do, you can also do, given a high enough level of course.
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    The real question is: can a casual gamer beat Sekiro.

    Playing sekiro is a lot like playing a fighting game. You have to be frame-perfect for long periods of times and memorize attack patterns.

    I wouldn't recommend it to casuals. Although they could probably get through it slowly and painstakingly. I have yet to beat the final boss but I've heard he's the hardest fromsoft boss.
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    Originally Posted by jimmybobjim View Post
    The real question is: can a casual gamer beat Sekiro.

    Playing sekiro is a lot like playing a fighting game. You have to be frame-perfect for long periods of times and memorize attack patterns.

    I wouldn't recommend it to casuals. Although they could probably get through it slowly and painstakingly. I have yet to beat the final boss but I've heard he's the hardest fromsoft boss.
    I stayed in my seat for 2 hours because I couldn't convince myself to take a break and ry him later.
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    Originally Posted by jimmybobjim View Post
    The real question is: can a casual gamer beat Sekiro.

    Playing sekiro is a lot like playing a fighting game. You have to be frame-perfect for long periods of times and memorize attack patterns.

    I wouldn't recommend it to casuals. Although they could probably get through it slowly and painstakingly. I have yet to beat the final boss but I've heard he's the hardest fromsoft boss.
    I did not enjoy Sekiro for this reason. Demanding almost frame-perfect play from players for minutes at a time was not fun to me. It’s not a bad game, just not for me. I applaud From for trying something new though.
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    Originally Posted by MrBourbon View Post
    I did not enjoy Sekiro for this reason. Demanding almost frame-perfect play from players for minutes at a time was not fun to me. It’s not a bad game, just not for me. I applaud From for trying something new though.
    Where did you get stuck? If you beat the first few bosses, you probably have it in you to beat the whole game (so i've been told).

    It can be a brutal experience for sure, definitely a casual-filter kind of game. Like Ninja Gaiden.
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    Originally Posted by jimmybobjim View Post
    Where did you get stuck? If you beat the first few bosses, you probably have it in you to beat the whole game (so i've been told).

    It can be a brutal experience for sure, definitely a casual-filter kind of game. Like Ninja Gaiden.
    If you can beat Genichiro, you can beat the game
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    I'd consider myself a casual gamer. Hated all DS games because I got nuked right away in all of them, couldn't get past the first boss. Repeat and get frustrated, delete game.

    Finally thought I'd give a shot to Bloodborne. Did some research, started getting better at mechanics. Still died a lot, frustrated, but then I beat the first boss. And I started to sort of...get it. Understood that it isn't like spam buttons and have great gear, you actually have to have strategy and the right build. Went back and started working through DS3 and got fairly far. Sekiro I hated because it was TOO technical and the parry mechanics drove me nuts. Dodging and timing I understand.

    Have been on Elden Ring since December and absolutely love it. Do I scream at my screen? Hell yes. Do I suck? Yup. But it's a simple thing to level up, take on a boss and then on the 6th time you manage to pull out that one hit that kills them before you quaff your last flask and fist pump. And the story is awesome. Variety of enemies is great. Different regions is mindblowing. Length is also incredible. So I'd highly recommend it to any casual gamer with a notation that you need to be super patient and learn what you're doing.
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    Originally Posted by Muzzlrpress View Post
    If you can beat Genichiro, you can beat the game
    Bumping because I beat sword saint isshin a few days ago. Took me maybe 3-4 hours of learning before I beat that azz. I only play Sekiro on the weekends so my routine was wake up really early and make 5-10 attempts, no more. I didn't want to beat my head against the wall so I kept myself motivated and fresh from session to session, basically treating each session like a workout.

    I didn't use any cheesey strats like the hitting and running which I've seen a lot on youtube. But I did use youtube to learn how to counter his most annoying attacks. I was pretty surprised when I beat him finally because at that point I was still dying a lot to him in his second phase. The only time I had gotten to his third phase I got wasted by his lightning, because I forgot how to time the reversal. Also, I would randomly get wasted by Genichiro who IMO is way more annoying than ISS's first phase, because he has more mix-ups.

    Definitely a hard boss, possibly the single hardest boss I've ever beaten in any game. I would almost say that he's a bit TOO hard. I actually had to relearn the game, and he's the final boss. Oh well. 8/10 game overall. Onto Elden Ring.
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    Originally Posted by jimmybobjim View Post
    Bumping because I beat sword saint isshin a few days ago. Took me maybe 3-4 hours of learning before I beat that azz. I only play Sekiro on the weekends so my routine was wake up really early and make 5-10 attempts, no more. I didn't want to beat my head against the wall so I kept myself motivated and fresh from session to session, basically treating each session like a workout.

    I didn't use any cheesey strats like the hitting and running which I've seen a lot on youtube. But I did use youtube to learn how to counter his most annoying attacks. I was pretty surprised when I beat him finally because at that point I was still dying a lot to him in his second phase. The only time I had gotten to his third phase I got wasted by his lightning, because I forgot how to time the reversal. Also, I would randomly get wasted by Genichiro who IMO is way more annoying than ISS's first phase, because he has more mix-ups.

    Definitely a hard boss, possibly the single hardest boss I've ever beaten in any game. I would almost say that he's a bit TOO hard. I actually had to relearn the game, and he's the final boss. Oh well. 8/10 game overall. Onto Elden Ring.
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    Originally Posted by Muzzlrpress View Post
    If you can beat Genichiro, you can beat the game
    Genichiro is a bitch. The sword saint is straight up BS though.
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    Originally Posted by Godfrd824 View Post
    Genichiro is a bitch. The sword saint is straight up BS though.
    Just don't hesitate

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    I think about going back to Sekiro every now and then but I never do. Last boss I beat was guardian ape and then I just stopped playing. Outside of fishing for parries in Bloodborne, I never parry in From games. It’s just not a play style I enjoy.
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    I think about going back to Sekiro every now and then but I never do. Last boss I beat was guardian ape and then I just stopped playing. Outside of fishing for parries in Bloodborne, I never parry in From games. It’s just not a play style I enjoy.
    You're not missing out on that much tbh. Sekiro is basically an action/boss-rush game. You play it for the boss battles. There's no RPG elements, no huge detailed beautiful maps, or anything extraneous.

    I'm playing elden Ring now and IMO it's a much more well-rounded game. Just lots of things to do, basically a constant dopamine rush generator. Sekiro was basically anti-dopamine: the game.
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    Originally Posted by jimmybobjim View Post
    You're not missing out on that much tbh. Sekiro is basically an action/boss-rush game. You play it for the boss battles. There's no RPG elements, no huge detailed beautiful maps, or anything extraneous.

    I'm playing elden Ring now and IMO it's a much more well-rounded game. Just lots of things to do, basically a constant dopamine rush generator. Sekiro was basically anti-dopamine: the game.
    Killing Isshin felt better than every nut I've had since the first raw one.
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    Originally Posted by Muzzlrpress View Post
    Killing Isshin felt better than every nut I've had since the first raw one.
    honestly I felt relief. It's like stabbing yourself in the nuts everyday for a week and then finally quitting cold turkey. It's pure bliss, a weight off your chest. That's what I felt after beating Geni/ISS.

    don't get me wrong the game is good it's just brutal.
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    Originally Posted by Muzzlrpress View Post
    Killing Isshin felt better than every nut I've had since the first raw one.
    The whole fight, if you're fighting him head on and not running away is like 12 minutes long. The adrenaline as you get closer and closer to beating him is crazy.

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    You're not missing out on that much tbh. Sekiro is basically an action/boss-rush game. You play it for the boss battles. There's no RPG elements, no huge detailed beautiful maps, or anything extraneous.

    I'm playing elden Ring now and IMO it's a much more well-rounded game. Just lots of things to do, basically a constant dopamine rush generator. Sekiro was basically anti-dopamine: the game.
    Sekiro is From's best game. It's literally perfect. Elden Ring is great, but I was disappointed that certain mechanics didn't make it from Sekiro.
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    You could argue that casual gamers wouldn't look up guides, but that's their choice, it'd make the experience easier. And some "quests" are confusing AF without a guide.
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    Originally Posted by obmas View Post
    You just have to grind Grace and level up so bosses don't kill you in two hits. If the input lag on dodge rolls wasn't ****, the game wouldnt even be that hard. But you are forced to time your dodges almost an entire second before getting hit because thats how long it takes for the input command to register.
    Are you using "game mode" on your TV? That would help with input lag.
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