this reminded me about my wife's sister. She nearly died on operation table. She had a what they call a clinical death, heart stopped and doctors running around and all. Apparently anesthesiologist hammered her with way too big of a dose for her weight and nearly killed her. Operation was supposed to be a gall bladder removal. Investigation that followed, revealed that her liver has been also accidentally punctured by doctor's initial incision (whatever the term is). And then further it was established that she was misdiagnosed and gall bladder need not to be removed at all.
But vaccine, man, isn't like that. It is very benign infection by genetically modified virus which supposed to protect you from natural, organic virus.
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Thread: Will you get vaccinated?
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04-05-2021, 07:40 AM #961
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04-05-2021, 08:28 AM #962
Coated in a proprietary and non-disclosed lipid nanoparticle that serves the purpose to protect the fragile mRNA inside, as well as trick your body's natural protection against foreign mRNA from entering your body.
Just four years ago the same technology needed a "hail mary" to get the dosing right.
https://www.statnews.com/2017/01/10/...-trouble-mrna/
So apparently they did .. for the short term.And that's great! Vaccinate the high risk people, leave our kids alone. The kind of technology driving this has legitimate, long-term risks with cancer and auto-immune disease especially as they scramble to deal with variants and immunity escape of the virus. By keeping the vaccinations to the population where it is actually necessary to protect hospital capacity and morbidity rates, we are able to save lives, get long term data, and open things back up without experimenting on a huge proportion of the population and throwing an enormous variable into the global evolutionary system.
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04-05-2021, 08:31 AM #963
No, individual reactions vary. Some have no symptoms others get symptoms similar to the actual virus but shorter duration. I wonder if there is any relevance to post infection immunity (even if an asymptomatic case) followed by getting vaccinated. It would seem logical that if you already had circulating antibodies from post infection immunity, then injected mRNA that is coded for the antigen you might have a higher chance of a reaction. But I never dived that deep into immunology most of my micro was more focused on the agents that cause the disease and the disease itself rather than the minutia of the immune response. Plus nobody knows anyway with a new vaccine for a "new" to us virus.
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04-05-2021, 08:35 AM #964
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04-05-2021, 08:39 AM #965
I mean I wonder if there is a correlation with people with post infection immunity having an adverse reaction to the vaccine. I just hired a girl who was in patient safety in the covid wing at a hospital - surely would have been exposed many times doing that work. Although she never got sick from covid, she had symptoms from the Pfizer vaccine when she got it earlier in the year while still working at the hospital. Young healthy 27 YO.
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04-05-2021, 08:43 AM #966
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04-05-2021, 09:32 AM #967
That's exactly what my daughter was telling me. She works in a hospital ICU, often with Covid patients, and got vaccinated early on. She was saying that if you have a strong reaction to the first shot, that means you've been exposed to Covid. If you have no reaction to the first (I didn't) and a strong reaction to the second, that means you didn't have much exposure. She was in the latter group, btw.
I'll ask her where she heard that.
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04-05-2021, 09:37 AM #968
That would make the most sense to me. Your body would be "primed" for a reaction to the antigen with post exposure immunity. Being administered the vaccine would allow what "appears to the body" to be an antigen delivered at a higher dose/level than what should be encountered naturally thereby resulting in a more pronounced reaction. Probably why second dose reactions are more common with the two dose vaccines (both Pfizer and Moderna)
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04-05-2021, 11:08 AM #969
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04-05-2021, 11:23 AM #970
It wasn’t until 23 years later in 1931 that virologist Richard Shope discovered that influenza was caused by the Orthomyxoviridae family of viruses. When the public came into contact with these germs, the person caught the flu virus and became ill.
A couple of short years later, scientists discovered three main strands of the virus caused influenza. This breakthrough helped Thomas Francis and Jonas Salk to develop the first vaccine in 1938.𝓐𝓲𝓻 𝓕𝓸𝓻𝓬𝓮 𝓥𝓮𝓽𝓮𝓻𝓪𝓷 1976 - 1999 - 𝓒𝓪𝓷𝓷𝓪𝓫𝓲𝓼 𝓔𝓷𝓽𝓱𝓾𝓼𝓲𝓪𝓼𝓽 𝓼𝓲𝓷𝓬𝓮 𝓽𝓱𝓮 1960'𝓼
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04-05-2021, 08:53 PM #971
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Everyone wants to talk about the Pfizer and Moderna 2 shot vaccines but not a lot is discussed regarding the Johnson & Johnson / Janssen version, why is that? Hell they make No More Tears shampoo so has to give them some credibility for at least caring?
"You know that little thing in your head that keeps you from saying things you shouldn't? Yeah, well, I don't have one of those."
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04-05-2021, 08:58 PM #972
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04-05-2021, 10:04 PM #973
Got JJ vaccine last week - all that was available. Would have preferred 2 dose but it is what it is. Was sick for 3 days. It felt like someone was cutting my veins from inside + plus temperature. Day 4 no issues. Will do it again. My reasoning = science + personal experience with diphtheria.
Lord Jesus, I missed on that vaccine in Russia and got it when I was 13 (I was a healthy 13 yo and got diphtheria). I was in the hospital for over a month, receiving ****@y Russian healthcare and penicillin in my butt daily. That feeling when you can’t breathe, there is nothing like that. No thank you. Vaccine every day all day long.
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04-05-2021, 11:08 PM #974
I hate that you went through that but glad I have someone that can relate, this is the first I've heard of an experience as ch!tty as mine.
Correct. But there was some worn out scientist in a lab at 3:14 in the morning who noticed something in a test tube/petri dish was finally doing what they wanted it to do and they realized they could save millions of lives.
Would be pretty cool to be on that team.Don't put that on me Ricky Bobby, don't you ever put that on me.
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04-05-2021, 11:49 PM #975
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04-06-2021, 12:46 AM #976
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04-06-2021, 02:50 AM #977
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04-06-2021, 04:16 AM #979
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Oof. I hadn't heard of any side effects like that from the JJ. 24hrs after the shot I felt like I had the flu for about 5hrs then nothing. My wife had zero issues.
I don't know the answer but if one had had C19 already would they experience side effects at all from the vaccine? We are pretty confident my wife had it last Feb.
Right? Science is great and thank gosh for all of those who spent so much time on this only to have some on the internet play virologist and dismiss the efforts based on pseudo information.Last edited by Jtbny; 04-06-2021 at 04:23 AM.
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04-06-2021, 04:51 AM #980𝓐𝓲𝓻 𝓕𝓸𝓻𝓬𝓮 𝓥𝓮𝓽𝓮𝓻𝓪𝓷 1976 - 1999 - 𝓒𝓪𝓷𝓷𝓪𝓫𝓲𝓼 𝓔𝓷𝓽𝓱𝓾𝓼𝓲𝓪𝓼𝓽 𝓼𝓲𝓷𝓬𝓮 𝓽𝓱𝓮 1960'𝓼
ᖇᗴ丅Ꭵᖇᗴᗪ ᗩ丅 40 ᑕᖇᗴᗯ - ᔕᗝᑕᎥᗩᒪ ᗪᎥᔕ丅ᗩᑎᑕᎥᑎǤ ᗴ᙭ᑭᗴᖇ丅 - ᒪᎥᐯᎥᑎǤ 丅ᕼᗴ ᗪᖇᗴᗩᗰ
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04-06-2021, 05:37 AM #981
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04-06-2021, 07:32 AM #982
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04-06-2021, 07:45 AM #983
DOMS happens when you stimulate the muscle in a way(angle) that it has not been stressed regularly.
1.That is why when you paint your ceiling, you experience Doms in your traps/neck/ upper back/shoulders.
2. i do biceps regularly and never have doms, as soon as i change the angle/range of motion, doms.There is an unspoken thing, we are iron brothers and sisters, we are to support each other and...It is our duty to support our brothers and sisters in the iron game!
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04-06-2021, 08:26 AM #984
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04-06-2021, 09:04 AM #988
Last edited by mtpockets; 04-06-2021 at 09:23 AM.
𝓐𝓲𝓻 𝓕𝓸𝓻𝓬𝓮 𝓥𝓮𝓽𝓮𝓻𝓪𝓷 1976 - 1999 - 𝓒𝓪𝓷𝓷𝓪𝓫𝓲𝓼 𝓔𝓷𝓽𝓱𝓾𝓼𝓲𝓪𝓼𝓽 𝓼𝓲𝓷𝓬𝓮 𝓽𝓱𝓮 1960'𝓼
ᖇᗴ丅Ꭵᖇᗴᗪ ᗩ丅 40 ᑕᖇᗴᗯ - ᔕᗝᑕᎥᗩᒪ ᗪᎥᔕ丅ᗩᑎᑕᎥᑎǤ ᗴ᙭ᑭᗴᖇ丅 - ᒪᎥᐯᎥᑎǤ 丅ᕼᗴ ᗪᖇᗴᗩᗰ
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𝕀 𝕕𝕠𝕟'𝕥 𝕒𝕝𝕨𝕒𝕪𝕤 𝕒𝕘𝕣𝕖𝕖 𝕨𝕚𝕥𝕙 𝕥𝕙𝕖 𝕞𝕖𝕞𝕖𝕤 𝕀 𝕡𝕠𝕤𝕥
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04-06-2021, 09:08 AM #989
My understanding is that it seems those who already had covid will have worse side effects from the vaccine to the point that in Europe they are contemplating giving these people only 1 dose instead of the usual 2.
I have been reading about Novavax, which doesn't use any DNA or RNA in your cells, it just injects the protein directly into your arm together with something that will cause a bit of inflammation just to alert your immune system. Antibodies get to the site of injection, find the protein there and start fighting it. Seems to have very good results with less side effects, but it's still in progress and may hit the market in May, which means it's even less tested over large numbers than Pfizer or J&J.
Still holding out on getting any vaccine though. Unless I am going to be forced to take it for work, or if I have to fly back to Europe for family emergency, or other pressing reasons I am going to wait this out another bit.Follow my 2018 competition prep here:
https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=175566421&p=1547462721#post1547462721
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04-06-2021, 09:10 AM #990
Are you fuking really serious, a delay is a fuking delay it could be 10 fuking 10 minutes, but in exercise 10 minutes would be considered acute, but not 10 faking hours, or even several hours. DOMS can start after several hours be minimal, it gradually becomes more soreness within the next 24-48 hours, all depends.
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