HOLY CHIT that UPS truck chase

[LoveMyDog]

Lmfao okay cupcake. Damn you are fukking pathetic

Yea I'm pathetic that's why I have 30,000 + posts on an internet forum and buy my clothes at target

[dhawkeye1980]

Yea I'm pathetic that's why I have 30,000 + posts on an internet forum and buy my clothes at target

We all know your main account was banned troll which is why you had to create a new one

I prefer ross actually, or tj maxx. Usually just order off amazon tho. Im not sure why you think thats an insult? Its better than your good will hand me downs you wear

[Johnez]

This was a failed hostage rescue done by officers on the fly during a chit hitting the fan situation. There were bad tactics and questionable tactics, but acting like the police purposely shot the hostage to get a paid vacation is idiotic.



Pursuit with gunfire and a hostage are a little different than your average pursuit. This is something 99.99% of cops will never experience and probably 99% don't ever get training on, specifically. But you would want to follow this pursuit closer to get more eyes inside the vehicle and be able to react and go into hostage rescue quicker, if needed. General practice is you want to stay as close to the hostage(s) as possible.

Obviously you're not supposed to use civilians as shields. Most of the training these cops have done though probably has taught them to advance while utilizing cover/concealment. When you're in a firefight, you resort to your training, this was just muscle memory and training. Can almost guarantee the cops at the time were just advancing from one cover/concealment to another. They were not "using civilians as shields", that's just hindsight coming into play, they were using the vehicles to try and gain an advantage in the shooting. Now sure, you can argue that those two things are the same, and the only difference is how they're framed, and you'd have a fair point, but they're both also totally different depending on your mindset.

Well thought out post.

[LoveMyDog]

We all know your main account was banned troll which is why you had to create a new one

I prefer ross actually, or tj maxx. Usually just order off amazon tho. Im not sure why you think thats an insult? Its better than your good will hand me downs you wear

Yea Ross and TJ Maxx where they sell all the stuff no quality retail stores will sell.. Usually something with a manufactures defect.. Yea Ross and TJ maxx where everyone shops for their clothes on the floor because everything is literally on the ground in piles. You probably broke your back shopping for a pair of jeans bending down to look for size xxxxxxxl.

[dhawkeye1980]

Yea Ross and TJ Maxx where they sell all the stuff no quality retail stores will sell.. Usually something with a manufactures defect.. Yea Ross and TJ maxx where everyone shops for their clothes on the floor because everything is literally on the ground in piles. You probably broke your back shopping for a pair of jeans bending down to look for size xxxxxxxl.

You need therapy. Its obvious you have mental illness ill have LASO standing by to take you for a 5150. I hope you get the help you need

[Rojoh]

Yea Ross and TJ Maxx where they sell all the stuff no quality retail stores will sell.. Usually something with a manufactures defect.. Yea Ross and TJ maxx where everyone shops for their clothes on the floor because everything is literally on the ground in piles. You probably broke your back shopping for a pair of jeans bending down to look for size xxxxxxxl.

Heh, the gay guys are chatting fashion. Stereotypical.

[Rojoh]

You need therapy. Its obvious you have mental illness ill have LASO standing by to take you for a 5150. I hope you get the help you need

Ex cop LARPing as a cop on a miscellaneous bodybuilding forum. Christ this place is a pit of despair.

[LoveMyDog]

You need therapy. Its obvious you have mental illness ill have LASO standing by to take you for a 5150. I hope you get the help you need

hmmm that's funny I have a parent that works for LA county as a psychiatrist If I want I could have you looked into and taken in for a 5151 then we could hold you for 72 hours on a 5150. LASO lmao they are nobody in the grand scheme of things I could have your whole record checked out in 24 hours. I come from a family of lawyers and doctors with connections deep in L.A. county. I could flip your whole life around if I wanted to..

[Johnez]

Yea it's no wonder you're divorced and banging teenage girls when you're 30 + years old sick phuck fat donut eater. You probably came home after a long day of eating donuts and sitting in your car all day and beat your wife didn't you.. Yea I recognize a wife beater when I see one..

Negged. Imagine sitting at a bar discussing this with the guy. You're coward ass wouldn't but imagine that. Would you treat any human being like this in real life. You wouldn't. You're a fukkin bitch.

[dhawkeye1980]

hmmm that's funny I have a parent that works for LA county as a psychiatrist If I want I could have you looked into and taken in for a 5151 then we could hold you for 72 hours on a 5150. LASO lmao they are nobody in the grand scheme of things I could have your whole record checked out in 24 hours. I come from a family of lawyers and doctors with connections deep in L.A. county. I could flip your whole life around if I wanted to..

Lmfao yea im sure your trailer park family sure runs LA

No one believes you

[Rojoh]

hmmm that's funny I have a parent that works for LA county as a psychiatrist If I want I could have you looked into and taken in for a 5151 then we could hold you for 72 hours on a 5150. LASO lmao they are nobody in the grand scheme of things I could have your whole record checked out in 24 hours. I come from a family of lawyers and doctors with connections deep in L.A. county. I could flip your whole life around if I wanted to..

The internet equivalent of "my dad could beat up your dad" The level of discourse has bottomed out now. You can do better, maybe critique his clothes again.

Lmfao yea im sure your trailer park family sure runs LA

No one believes you

Instead of taking the adult route and ignoring this obvious chitpost, our heroine has taken the semen-laden bait.

[LoveMyDog]

Negged. Imagine sitting at a bar discussing this with the guy. You're coward ass wouldn't but imagine that. Would you treat any human being like this in real life. You wouldn't. You're a fukkin bitch.

buddy i don't go to bars... bars are for lowlife trash like yourself. I don't need to discuss anything with a peabrain like yourself.. It's apparent to me you're just another divorced cuck who pays alimony and child support every month just to see your kids for 2 weekends a month with your wife and her new hubbies permission. Oh and negged ? lmao you really think an imaginary number with a green dotted line next to a name matters ?

oh you did.. oh i'm sorry for you.

[LoveMyDog]

Lmfao yea im sure your trailer park family sure runs LA

No one believes you

You don't have to believe me all i have to do is show 30,000+ posts of evidence of a clearly violent unstable man who needs to be psychologically evaluated and placed on heavy levels of anti-psychotics. Only after he's received his initial lobotomy though just for safety reasons.

[Johnez]

buddy i don't go to bars... bars are for lowlife trash like yourself. I don't need to discuss anything with a peabrain like yourself.. It's apparent to me you're just another divorced cuck who pays alimony and child support every month just to see your kids for 2 weekends a month with your wife and her new hubbies permission. Oh and negged ? lmao you really think an imaginary number with a green dotted line next to a name matters ?

oh you did.. oh i'm sorry for you.

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My bad, you don't "go" to bars, you're probably the bartender trying to work off them student loans on your useless degree. I guess I shouldn't have engaged with such a well connected upper crust individual like yourself, surrounded by doctors and lawyers. Bet they tip well. Must be a fulfilling life you lead playing with alt accounts and chit on your break. Don't worry, your main's green dots are safe.

[dhawkeye1980]

You don't have to believe me all i have to do is show 30,000+ posts of evidence of a clearly violent unstable man who needs to be psychologically evaluated and placed on heavy levels of anti-psychotics. Only after he's received his initial lobotomy though just for safety reasons.

You wont show anything to anybody because you are literally lower than a flea on a stray dogs ass. Only one violent and unstabke is you who needs to create multiple fake accounts on a bodybuilding forum like a psycho

[dhawkeye1980]

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My bad, you don't "go" to bars, you're probably the bartender trying to work off them student loans on your useless degree. I guess I shouldn't have engaged with such a well connected upper crust individual like yourself, surrounded by doctors and lawyers. Bet they tip well. Must be a fulfilling life you lead playing with alt accounts and chit on your break. Don't worry, your main's green dots are safe.

He doesn't have any student loan debt. He dropped out before HS. He is drinking his $2 7-11 malt liquor in his trailer stealing his neighbors wifi

[Rojoh]

Now there's three pathetic kunts attacking each other with ad hominem in a thread about the police killing two innocent civilians in a shootout with criminals on the miscellaneous section of a bodybuilding forum.

I'm pretty much done with the running commentary. I think you garbage people will continue with this for hours and I'm just not that interested anymore. Maybe take a long look at yourselves, I don't care.

[dhawkeye1980]

Now there's three pathetic kunts attacking each other with ad hominem in a thread about the police killing two innocent civilians in a shootout with criminals on the miscellaneous section of a bodybuilding forum.

I'm pretty much done with the running commentary. I think you garbage people will continue with this for hours and I'm just not that interested anymore. Maybe take a long look at yourselves, I don't care.

The troll is legit amusing with his stupidity

[samsbolton]

I generally dont insult until ive been insulted

The misc is full of anti cops that come out in everyone of these threads. Did you notice its mostly the same individuals responding to me? Go back into any thread about cops and they will be there spouting the same thing. When my facts and reason completely annihilate them then they start the personal attacks. Its like clock work

You’re completely wrong here. Hardly anyone on this board is fanatically anti cop, they are anti stupid cop.

They didn’t HAVE to engage, and I don’t recall the last time that happened when civilians and a hostage were in the line of fire. (Munich hostage taking 40 plus years ago?).

Claiming they could have taken more hostages is Monday morning quarterbacking at its finest.

Who gave the order to engage? That’s where this starts and ends, because this just looks like a bunch of sophomore cops who have watched Heat too many times.

[Johnez]

You seem a little on edge have you taken your medication today? Yea I think you have something to hide in that file of yours... you are one bad apple boy.. Oh and to get into your file all I would need is your name and a couple phone calls. Go ahead tell me your name if you got the balls...

Next "you pussy you wouldn't dare pming me your last 4 on your social, DOB, and mother's maiden name!" Lulz. ID thieving for apple gift cards, that your MO?

[LoveMyDog]

lol Got him he's scared.. that's why he's deleting his posts frantically

who's pathetic now...

[Johnez]

Claiming they could have taken more hostages is Monday morning quarterbacking at its finest.

Isn't that what this thread is all about...?

I get the outrage of the citizens in danger chit, but these guys on the ground probably acted exactly as they were trained and were directed.

[dhawkeye1980]

You’re completely wrong here. Hardly anyone on this board is fanatically anti cop, they are anti stupid cop.

They didn’t HAVE to engage, and I don’t recall the last time that happened when civilians and a hostage were in the line of fire. (Munich hostage taking 40 plus years ago?).

Claiming they could have taken more hostages is Monday morning quarterbacking at its finest.

Who gave the order to engage? That’s where this starts and ends, because this just looks like a bunch of sophomore cops who have watched Heat too many times.

So getting shot and they should just hang back and let them keep shooting? They did indeed have to engage. Active shooter training is you stop the threat. Continuing to allow the threat to continue to shoot puts more lives at risk. Im not the one monday morning quarterbacking bro

[dhawkeye1980]

lol Got him he's scared.. that's why he's deleting his posts frantically

who's pathetic now...

Only posts im seeing deleted are yours. I havent deleted a single one.

[samsbolton]

So getting shot and they should just hang back and let them keep shooting? They did indeed have to engage. Active shooter training is you stop the threat. Continuing to allow the threat to continue to shoot puts more lives at risk. Im not the one monday morning quarterbacking bro

Let’s keep it really simple.

Who were they firing at?

1. Cops (when they got close in pursuit)
2. Random pedestrians/motorists in a kill crazy rampage.

If the answer is 1, then I’m reasonably sure that as they have a hostage, you pull back and do not engage. There is a recognised hostage negotiation procedure. Is this correct?

If the answer is 2, I guess you neutralise the threat. I’m sure you can link me to the bit of the video of them on this spree killing (NOT the robbery itself or when they were cornered)

Waiting.

[samsbolton]

Isn't that what this thread is all about...?

I get the outrage of the citizens in danger chit, but these guys on the ground probably acted exactly as they were trained and were directed.

I’m seriously doubting this was trained procedure

[dhawkeye1980]

Let’s keep it really simple.

Who were they firing at?

1. Cops (when they got close in pursuit)
2. Random pedestrians/motorists in a kill crazy rampage.

If the answer is 1, then I’m reasonably sure that as they have a hostage, you pull back and do not engage. There is a recognised hostage negotiation procedure. Is this correct?

If the answer is 2, I guess you neutralise the threat. I’m sure you can link me to the bit of the video of them on this spree killing (NOT the robbery itself or when they were cornered)

Waiting.

No they dont pull back. Im not sure where you guys keep seeing this from

So they pull back and someone gets killed and you bitch

They engage and someone gets killed and you bitch.

Nothing is right for you guys after the fact. Cops are damned if they do, damned if they dont. The suspects were a danger to the cops and civillians so they had no choice but to engage

[Johnez]

I’m seriously doubting this was trained procedure

Yeah, I can't imagine this being as common an occurrence as pulling drinks over or breaking up domestic disputes.

I'm talking about using cars as cover. People flipping their chit over that....but that's exactly what they're trained to do. With regards to rushing him, I'm assuming 20+ guys didn't decide to do that on their own, it was probably ordered from above. Dhawkeye has a point in asking what everyone expected the cops on the ground to do. It seems decisions out of the cops on the ground's hands were what fukked this up. The cops on the ground didn't get to decide where to stop the truck, nor when to rush, but when they rushed, obviously they needed cover. Clusterfuk, but you're in a group of 20 guys, you going be the one guy thats like " hey let's stop and think about this first, hold on guys" and huddle up or what?

[envisu]

initially thought dhawkeye was just a dumb kunt

100% convinced he is a troll now, fkin lol

[samsbolton]

No they dont pull back. Im not sure where you guys keep seeing this from

So they pull back and someone gets killed and you bitch

They engage and someone gets killed and you bitch.

Nothing is right for you guys after the fact. Cops are damned if they do, damned if they dont. The suspects were a danger to the cops and civillians so they had no choice but to engage

Jesus

If you engage, everyone including the hostage dies.
If you don’t, a hostage negotiation specialist takes over. If you’re the hostage, that’s what you’d prefer I’m sure.