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Thread: Cohen Sentenced to Three Years
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12-12-2018, 10:58 AM #121
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12-12-2018, 11:01 AM #122
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12-12-2018, 11:04 AM #123
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12-12-2018, 11:05 AM #124
yeah he could say that, and who knows, maybe the jury would believe him
but then again maybe not
its up to the jury to decide whether or not trump intended to influence the election with these payments. trump can claim he didnt intend to do it all he wants. the jury will decide if they believe him. i dont know why this is so hard for you to grasp
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12-12-2018, 11:06 AM #125
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12-12-2018, 11:07 AM #126
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12-12-2018, 11:08 AM #127
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Hurr durr, cope and delusion.
You all never actually go through the trouble of giving a counter point. Ever.
The problem is, if you were actually an informed citizen, you'd realize that everything I said is a true statement about Obama.
But you don't care. It's a lot easier to just say, "Oh man, look at this conspiracy theorist. What an idiot!"
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12-12-2018, 11:12 AM #128
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Seriously - if you buy a private plane with campaign funds and say it is solely to travel around for the campaign - and it is still going to be deemed a personal expense.
If it has any value outside of the campaign it is a personal expense. An NDA about cheating on his wife most certainly has personal value outside of the campaign.Boomer Rep Crew #1
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12-12-2018, 11:12 AM #129
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12-12-2018, 11:14 AM #130
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12-12-2018, 11:17 AM #131
just saying it doesnt make it true.
its like gravity - its there whether or not you believe in it.
3. Campaign Financing Crimes
The federal campaign financing laws are embodied within
the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971 (FECA), 52 U.S.C.
§§ 30101–30146, as amended (most significantly in 1974, 1976,
1979, and 2002).
As amended, FECA applies to virtually all financial
transactions that impact upon, directly or indirectly, the election
of candidates for federal office, that is, candidates for President
or Vice President or for the United States Senate or House of
Representatives. FECA reaches a wide range of communications
aimed at influencing the public with respect to issues that are
closelyidentified with federal candidates, referred to in the law
as “electioneering communications.”
FECA contains its own criminal sanctions, which
provide that, to be a crime, a FECA violation must have been
committed knowingly and willfully (this is intent) and, except for campaign
misrepresentations and certain coerced contributions, must have
involved at least $2,000 in a calendar year. 52 U.S.C. § 30109(d).
FECA crimes aggregating $25,000 or more are five-year felonies,
and those that involve illegal conduit contributions and
aggregate over $10,000 are two-year felonies. 5 2 U.S.C.
§ 30109(d)(1)(A), (D). Moreover, all criminal violations of FECA
are subject to U.S. Sentencing Guideline § 2C1.8, that the
United States Sentencing Commission promulgated in response to
a specific Congressional directive.
FECA violations that either: (1) do not present knowing
and willful violations, or (2) involve sums below the statutory
minimums for criminal prosecution, are handled non-criminally
by the Federal Election Commission (FEC) under the statute’s
civil enforcement provisions. 52 U.S.C. § 30109(a).
5
Finally, FECA violations that result in false information
being provided to the FEC may present violations of 18 U.S.C.
§ 371 (conspiracy to disrupt and impede a federal agency), 18
U.S.C. § 1001 (false statements within the jurisdiction of a federal
agency), 18 U.S.C. § 1505 (obstruction of agency proceedings), or
18 U.S.C. § 1519 (creation of false records in relation to or
contemplation of federal matters).
its all in cohen's sentencing memo (page 11)
https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...cing-memo.htmlLast edited by sandaltan; 12-12-2018 at 11:25 AM.
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12-12-2018, 11:20 AM #132
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12-12-2018, 11:20 AM #133
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12-12-2018, 11:25 AM #134
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12-12-2018, 11:26 AM #135
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12-12-2018, 11:26 AM #136
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12-12-2018, 11:27 AM #137
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12-12-2018, 11:28 AM #139
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12-12-2018, 11:29 AM #140
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12-12-2018, 11:30 AM #141
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12-12-2018, 11:33 AM #142
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12-12-2018, 11:34 AM #143
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12-12-2018, 11:34 AM #144
youre making a fool of yourself. thats not what the statute says, and you're either too slow to get it or youre intentionally ignoring it
there has to be an intent to influence the election, not an intent to break the law, you idiot
brb i didnt intend to break the law when i murdered!
but did you intend to kill her?
absolutely!
dumbass
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12-12-2018, 11:34 AM #145
Its not weird. He was found innocent by a jury and the DOJ dropped the case. That is by definition not a crime.
I think the closer parallel is Clinton in 1996 when people from his circle got indicted but nothing ever happened to slick willy. The Clinton's have a long line of indicted friends (and suicides, but that is another story).Stern Crew
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12-12-2018, 11:34 AM #146
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12-12-2018, 11:37 AM #147
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12-12-2018, 11:38 AM #148
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12-12-2018, 11:39 AM #149
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12-12-2018, 11:40 AM #150
no, thats just literally how your brain is interpreting it. this is something taught on day 1 of criminal law - how to read statutes, and what intent means
intent literally means intent to do the actions that = crime
intent does not mean intent to commit a crime, which would mean that literally every criminal could just say "i didnt know about the law, or i didnt know action X was a crime"
thats now how it works
did you intend to break into the house and steal that tv?
yes
did you intend to commit burglary, or know breaking into a house and stealing a tv was a crime?
nope! i did not know that was a crime!
too bad
it's really not that hard to understandLast edited by sandaltan; 12-12-2018 at 11:51 AM.
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