Why are there so many guys at the gym who are strong but look like chit?

[nm1891]

Well that's defnitely a thing. I am saying on an even playing field. Two people will look different if someone trains for aesthetics and on trains only using functional strength exercises. You see a big difference with like college athletes and college gym rats.

Even taking cell tech out of the equation it is mainly genetics and diet that seperates physiques way more so than training method or rep ranges. In football we all lifted pretty much like powerlifters, tons of 5x5s, mainly power movments, very little high rep or hypertrophy work. And guess what? Some guys looked like fat PLs, some still didnt look like they lifted at all and some were lean and aesthetic, all doing the exact same workouts.

[arn710]

Even taking cell tech out of the equation it is mainly genetics and diet that seperates physiques way more so than training method or rep ranges.

Absolute oath

Remind me that I owe you a rep brohammer

[bobbydigitaloa]

Even taking cell tech out of the equation it is mainly genetics and diet that seperates physiques way more so than training method or rep ranges.

Preach.

[MrAWatts]

Naturally a red would make this thread. Lifting for strength =/= lifting for aesthetics. Strength training vs hypertrophy training. You don't have to be Einstein to understand this.

[devin45k]

Even taking cell tech out of the equation it is mainly genetics and diet that seperates physiques way more so than training method or rep ranges. In football we all lifted pretty much like powerlifters, tons of 5x5s, mainly power movments, very little high rep or hypertrophy work. And guess what? Some guys looked like fat PLs, some still didnt look like they lifted at all and some were lean and aesthetic, all doing the exact same workouts.

Not gonna argue that. Genetics are probably the biggest factor to how someone will look lifting.

[getout87]

Even taking cell tech out of the equation it is mainly genetics and diet that seperates physiques way more so than training method or rep ranges. In football we all lifted pretty much like powerlifters, tons of 5x5s, mainly power movments, very little high rep or hypertrophy work. And guess what? Some guys looked like fat PLs, some still didnt look like they lifted at all and some were lean and aesthetic, all doing the exact same workouts.

repped

[DesiredUserphag]

They eat to live not live to eat

This has always been me. I love trying new foods especially when I travel but other than that, food has always just been something I have to do to stay alive. Most Americans spend their day thinking and looking forward to their next meal/snack. Mix that in with not working out and you get lots of fat fuks

[StrongFella]

Because we're all powerlifters with 'stats', not about what you look like brah, its bout howmuch you deadlift and squat.

dingdingding /thread

[Lendogg]

Not everyone wants to be a bodybuilder. Wow what a concept.


If you are ego lifting to show off to others and/or getting as joocy as you can be to show off to others you're a *******. Exercise for yourself and not others.

[NMS3]

Because strength training has nothing to do with gaining muscle; gaining muscle is the secondary effect that may come with strength training, but how much muscle is gained depends on genetics, diet of every individual. I know a guy at my gym and school that’s a twig, lighter than myself yet he’s deadlifting over 450lb.

[LegalAesthetics]

Strength training and hypertrophy training are different, but have some correlation.

I finally hit 275 on bench for 6 reps (top 10% in my gym i would assume). I'm a big guy but I'm carrying a good amount of extra body fat. My physique is not as good as the aesthetic guys in my gym, but i outlift them significantly on most lifts. I'm cutting right now but if I lose too much strength i'd rather be a bit of a bloatmog than lean/ripped and small. Just a personal preference, i like being an imposing presence inside and outside of the gym.

[MNGA1]

Obviously as one poster said, genetics has alot to do with it. But I'd argue training styles makes a huge difference as well, particularly when natural.

It comes down to priorities. If you train to maximize one skill/ability, then chances are other things will suffer. If you spend 1+ hour deadlifting, squatting, benching with low reps/long rest periods in order to get as strong at those lifts as possible, you're not going to have the energy or time to improve you're 5k rowing max for ultimate vo2 max and fat burning or do 20 rep squats to failure for leg size or do lateral raise drop sets for capped shoulders or whatever it is people do to enhance cardio/aestethics/fat burning, and chances are even if you do, all those things will come into conflict with recovery and the ability to maximize top end strength. So these people who are obsessed with their DL/SQ/B maxes, usually discard all training that interferes with this objective.

So instead of doing a hard interval workout to burn off some of those love handles or throwing in some lateral raises/upright rows for capped delts, they prioritize doing an hour of 4-board presses to increase lockout strength on their bench or dynamic effort box squats or whatever, and in what world does that contribute to aestethics?

The one thing that seems to be a recurring theme with aestethic natties is the intensity of the training, not as % of numbers but as in ability to generate alot of lactic acid/pain during their workouts and keep pushing, even if dieting or low on energy.

[Techriding101]

If you can't squat 2x your body weight and find excuses to not get stronger you are a weak twink

Fact

But bubbut strength doesn't equal aesthetics. Soyboy takeover has ruined the misc

Brb squat a Max of 185...but spends an hour supersetting calf raises, leg extensions and hamstring curls

Deadlifts 225 gets kicked out of planet fitness, getting too big bro

[yoxnick]

its 2018 boyos, we stare in awe at DYEL in the gym now

[MichaelDuong]

Genetics, diet, training, and lifestyle.

It all boils down to your value system as Bobby said in an earlier comment. If you value being lean then obviously you'll see to it that you become a lean "aesthetic" brah. If you place your value towards strength and seeing progress in the gym other than the mirror - then you obviously have "strength training"

At the end of the day I don't see why any of that matters. We're all going to die eventually. Do what you love and find a balance. I realize now that for the past few months, no matter how twinkish small I am, I placed way too much value towards being shredded to **** and being "lean" for day to day life. I rarely went out, I declined to go eat out with family and friends, and my social life went to utter **** for it. My training still progressed in some way and sure I got leaner...but at the end of the day, will any of that vain **** matter?

Dieting down gives you some sort of body image issues IMO - at least it did in my case.

I think the best approach to life again is to find balance in life and do what you like. You wanna eat that donut and lift some ****in heavy ass weights? Go for it. Go out and eat - nobody will give a fuk once we're all rotting dead. There's no excuse for getting obese in the process but there's also no excuse to never progress in the gym other than staying small and shredded. Get the best of both worlds srs.

I'm maybe one of the biggest zyzz nutthugers (no homo) and truly believe in being "aesthetic" but beauty is in the eye of the beholder. A lot of guys on the misc here are cutting when they shouldn't be and following auschwitz starvation diets (myself as an example, and many other people on PSMF) when instead we should be bulking up. I also see the beauty in being a huge bear.

Fukin stop makin stupid threads and causing arguements OP and just lift and do whatever the FUK you wanna do.

Rant over.

[deltpecx]

Bottom line...

If a fluffy PLer or gym goer and I, looking as I do in my avi, are walking shirtless down the beach the average beach goer will think;

"That old fart is ripped, he must be really strong."" Not so for the fluffy PLer/gym goer.



/thread

[RonaldMcflurry]

Even taking cell tech out of the equation it is mainly genetics and diet that seperates physiques way more so than training method or rep ranges. In football we all lifted pretty much like powerlifters, tons of 5x5s, mainly power movments, very little high rep or hypertrophy work. And guess what? Some guys looked like fat PLs, some still didnt look like they lifted at all and some were lean and aesthetic, all doing the exact same workouts.

Quoted for truth, with a major emphasis on diet being the number one contributing factor to aesthetics.

Bottom line...

If a fluffy PLer or gym goer and I, looking as I do in my avi, are walking shirtless down the beach the average beach goer will think;

"That old fart is ripped, he must be really strong."" Not so for the fluffy PLer/gym goer.



/thread

Nobody will even look twice at the fluffy dude. Fat and big are pretty much synonymous in most peoples' minds anyways. Every fat guy in the world thinks that he is "big". It is pretty easy to lift heavy a few times a week and eat at buffets every day. Dieting is where the self control and discipline comes in. Big with abs/leanness is admirable, but nobody really admires a huge fat dude, they just think that he must eat a ton of food or was born "big boned".

[mikebadg3]

i am currently 182 @5'10" hovering around 14-15% bf, which is pretty much optimal for me.

I'd like to get to 185 @ 10% or less body fat, and be aesthetic, while still maintaining that strength.

wen i was 195 i was bloatmax and pretty strong for what i'm working with (1156 total) (chit genetics) but wasn't happy with the aesthetics.

I also have to run a lot which inhibits optimal gains. now i pursue aesthetics while maintaining optimal strength

[arn710]

Bottom line...

If a fluffy PLer or gym goer and I, looking as I do in my avi, are walking shirtless down the beach the average beach goer will think;

"That old fart is ripped, he must be really strong."" Not so for the fluffy PLer/gym goer.



/thread

Oddly, I live every day as the "fluffy PLer" and I get approached almost daily by strangers commenting about my size. Beach, street, all levels of clothing

Does that happen to you?

[Pigler]

Oddly, I live every day as the "fluffy PLer" and I get approached almost daily by strangers commenting about my size. Beach, street, all levels of clothing

Does that happen to you?

yeah bro nobody comes up to a random guy to compliment his size, or anything for that matter

calling ME delusional fkn lmao

[arn710]

yeah bro nobody comes up to a random guy to compliment his size, or anything for that matter

calling ME delusional fkn lmao

Happens to me all the time. Couldn't care less if you don't believe me

We went to a parade on Saturday. They had a group of Shriners in the parade as a mock cop unit. They were writing out fake tickets to viewers. I got one that says "To little".

PM me your email or cell phone number and I'll send it to you.

[Strawng]

This lifting thing is subjective and a HOBBY...

This. Fuk all this talk about training for aesthetics vs strength. Lifting is a fuking hobby for 99% of people at the gym, & for most of them without body image or eating disorders, they can't be bothered to micromanage their diets day-in & day-out or use supplements to maximize their aesthetics. This thread is like a comic book nerd who religiously reads comics asking a Batman forum why everybody who loves the movies doesn't also read all the comics.

[getout87]

Happens to me all the time. Couldn't care less if you don't believe me

We went to a parade on Saturday. They had a group of Shriners in the parade as a mock cop unit. They were writing out fake tickets to viewers. I got one that says "To little".

PM me your email or cell phone number and I'll send it to you.

fukkin lmao

[psychosylocibin]

I notice there are alot of guys with good physiques but below average in other things (short, ugly face, ethnic). far more than if I went out and hung out in a siimlar age group at a bar/club/party.

Pretty sure this is because these men realize their limitations and are trying to compensate with muscles.

[UberAlles]

"strong" by miscer standards isn't really that strong.

to be actually strong, you need to be jacked as **** (if you're not a shw) e.g.:

[WorldClassDBag]

jakes on you opie, I look like chit and i'm not even strong

this

[eod8989]

You look great bud and that's my goal physique. I think all people who have been lifting for some time have a very skewed view of what's a good physique...they think you have to be massive, have to be insanely strong and lean otherwise you arent good...IRL ppl don't think so

And I think Bobby would impress people both in the hardcore gyms as well as real life whereas you will impress ALL non lifting folks and SOME lifting folks (like me)

And I too think being lean makes a physique 2x better no matter how much muscle mass it has

It doesn't matter if you are dyel in clothes though. Anyone can be lean and skinny.

[gharlow]

In my gym, all the people doing PL routines are skinny kids between 16-22. They wear their tights, neon socks, and use a crap ton of chalk to deadlift 225. Not really mirin.

Most of the people with the best physiques lift moderate-heavy weight for 10ish reps.

Do what makes you happy.

[GrimRep_er]

Things escalated pretty fast in this thread. Just lift for yourself, it's only a hobby after all. Cat people, dog people....it doesn't really matter.

[Zackad]

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yeah bro nobody comes up to a random guy to compliment his size, or anything for that matter

calling ME delusional fkn lmao

Dude just stop, seriously. Some of your points are valid, but you are trying way too fkin hard.

i've haven't even broken 180 yet, but I've had random people in a fkin Costco come up to me and ask me for training/dieting advice. And i'm nothing impressive to look at compared to the miscers you're debating with.