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10-09-2017, 06:40 PM #13231
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10-11-2017, 09:52 PM #13232
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10-12-2017, 01:41 PM #13233
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10-12-2017, 02:00 PM #13234
Imt wasn't the best looking NA team, esp bc of Cody sun. Boy did he shiet the bed though. If this was as big as NFL he would be under review for intentionally losing for profit. I think I seen him flash into the enemy team like 2-3 times atleast, onetime he used trist r to rocket a guy into xmithie who then Insta died lmao.
I was always looking at the finger pointing at
the moon. Now I'm just looking at the moon.
And there’s no me looking. There’s just looking.
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10-12-2017, 02:02 PM #13235
IMT needs to get rid of Cody Sun, I felt like he was there biggest weakness all of groups. He's so inconsistent I don't get it.
The Pick Ban against Fnatic was stupid as fuk as well. They banned out all the junglers for xmithe, EVEN I Knew they were gonna pick Rek Sai since he was one of the few last good junglers left, but he picks Ezreal Jungle. Who really offers nothing, the team comp for the 2nd game was horrible.
The first Game they blew it blowing all their Ults on Naut and Cody sun flashing into their whole team.
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10-12-2017, 02:27 PM #13236
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10-12-2017, 03:47 PM #13237
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10-14-2017, 03:39 AM #13238
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10-14-2017, 05:19 AM #13239
Just lmfao.
This TSM team is straight trash. Need a new jungle and, imo, a different coaching staff. TSMs strategy is the same every game: get to late game. it works in NA because teams are garbage tier, but they get exposed every year at worlds when teams push them early game.
Not even a Korean team in this group just lolFL IS THE GOAT STATE CREW
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10-14-2017, 06:01 AM #13240
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10-14-2017, 07:01 AM #13241
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10-14-2017, 07:08 AM #13242
drop sven -> had a chance, lost it.
drop dlift -> had a chance, lost it each worlds, ever.
drop partha -> mentally challenged with his drafts. don't give me this "oh it worked in scrims bs". the world's week 2 meta is early game snowballing and all tsm does is week1 lategame drafts. playing off meta is for GAM
they could drop bjerg too at this point considering he doesn't do jack sht at worlds the last 3 years so TSM might as well pick some rookie midwho at least has the chance of having balls and won't come up with excuses each year. id have respect for the rookie at least
If i don't deliver at my job i'd get likely fired. Performing at worlds is delivering for TSM. TSM can't deliver at their job and who are the pillarstones of TSM? bjerg and partha......or is TSM a charity club. probably is actuallyMS, Computer Science
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10-14-2017, 08:11 AM #13243
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10-14-2017, 09:33 AM #13244
A solid reddit comment:
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Amazaing in EU: Aggressive early Jungler
Amazaing in NA with Bjerg: Hes does nothing just like a ward
Santorin in EU soloQ: Nida one trick that invades a lot
Santorin in NA with Bjerg: He does nothing just like a ward
Svenskeren in EU: Agressive early Jungler
Svenskeren in NA with Bjerg: He does nothing just like a ward
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Also Bjerg wins the Dade award this tournament. Bot got trashed largely because enemy mids roamed while Bjerg sat and did nothing mid all tournament longMS, Computer Science
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10-14-2017, 09:44 AM #13245
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10-14-2017, 10:51 AM #13246
As a C9 fan, I really wanted TSM to make it out. I think they would've done really well in quarter finals. TSM's strength has always been in best of 3's or best of 5's. Seems to me this has allowed them to dominate in the NA LCS but look exposed in groups.
I also couldn't understand why the Ryze pick so many times. He was 3 of their 4 losses iirc
Oh well, last hope still in C9. Save the best for last
Good point. Does bjerg really bring THAT much value to TSM when you consider he reduces their jungler to a living ward? IMO no
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10-14-2017, 11:26 AM #13247
He's the only constant on the team over the years that has been plagued with the exact same problem every worlds.
Top: dyrus, hauntzer
jungle: amazing, santorin, sven
adc -> wt, dlift
support -> xpecial, lustboy, gleeb, yellowstar, biofrost
coach -> locodoco, weldon, parth
this year was the the first worlds i didn't have expectations and the first world that I didn't watch the matches live. I'm definitely going to take a step back from my TSM fanboying and look for other teams to support. Maybe i'll watch vods of lck since I don't watch live anymore anyways. Might as well watch the best region and see if there's any personalities/teams worth investing to there.MS, Computer Science
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10-14-2017, 11:26 AM #13248
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gotta disagree. TSM drafted and played around Double this worlds, and Sven didn't particularly favor Bjerg at all in his pathing. in fact, the problem was largely Sven's inability to read to exert pressure even when he had winning lanes or good assist. if you're thinking about the first blood where PoE roamed to kill Hauntzer, Bjerg had to recall previously from getting roamed on by the Misfits botlane.
the last draft was also awful from parth. to me he flexed the jayce because he saw how much WE destroyed them with it and figured it'd be strong top too, but bramble vest is a thing now. not a counter at all nowadays and gets outscaled hard. hauntzer also built wrong; he rushed dirk then started building BotrK when he realized he needed sustain to actually win the lane past first back. not that it would've mattered because he got camped and Sven had absolutely nothing to show for it.
also worth noting there were serious gaffes in how TSM actually laid down vision; both times Hauntzer died he had a false sense of security from having two pinks and two greens bot side but they weren't placed to cover potential gank routes. not moving the bot river bush pink is a super common soloq mistake but TSM did it too.
in general TSM got ****ed because they have no early game macro. no sven teamming up with winning lanes to lay down vision and invade; no coordinated map pressure to enable rotations/ganks, poor ability to read enemy jungler (probably due to the first two not being done), reacting to enemy moves instead of identifying what should be prioritized. even though they didn't get walked over in lane like wild card teams do they still had consistent early game deficits from just losing map control and objectives. the meta isn't the better mid solo killing the worse mid.
maybe the problem is that bjerg is trying to shotcall from mid and he can't do it properly, or that he wants to be louder than everyone else. but import junglers doing poorly is not a TSM phenomenon (hello Reignover/Chaser; nevermind Santorin-level junglers like Kirei/Proxcin/Shrimp). and insofar as individual gameplay goes Bjerg played largely as he should have.
/e yes he's the constant over the years, but NA is trash relative to the world and will never sniff a Korean team so it's not like other organizations are doing things TSM hasn't figured out. as in, dumping Bjerg because he can't make it out of group stage or stand up to the top teams of the world implies there's a mid who would get them closer to that objective. there's isn't anyone that fits that profile, not even close.Last edited by VTheKing; 10-14-2017 at 11:32 AM.
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10-14-2017, 11:37 AM #13249
I agree with you partially. I strongly think their best chances of success would be investing heavily into a world class coaching staff. hire 1-2 head coaches from korea like c9/imt did. I think bringing back weldon + some solid korean coach (same way c9 did with reapered and IMT with their korean coach). A 10/10 coach can make a bad team great. a mediocre coach will keep a good team from becoming great. c9 and imt both went from looking helpless to looking great, ignoring imt's ****ting the bed the other day. Then place parth back into being an analyst, bring in a second korean analyst, and loco back as an analyst. I think loco is/was actually great as an analyst where he has no power and only provides gametheory input
Like to provide an unrealistic exaggerated example, I bet if you put khoma on team liquid, they'd qualify for worlds (top 3 na) with their current roster. but put locodoco to coach the same roster...
It would be dope if TSM could somehow recruit some oldschool retired Starcraft player turned coach (Boxer, etc)
Will north america ever be good at worlds? I don't really care anymore so i imagine i'll not post much anymore after I get over TSM disappointing me yet again.Last edited by bartosh; 10-14-2017 at 11:44 AM.
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10-14-2017, 01:01 PM #13250
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10-14-2017, 04:38 PM #13251
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10-14-2017, 07:44 PM #13252
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10-15-2017, 03:43 AM #13253
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10-15-2017, 04:53 AM #13254
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10-15-2017, 07:37 AM #13255
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10-15-2017, 10:34 AM #13256
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10-15-2017, 11:27 AM #13257
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10-15-2017, 04:20 PM #13258
Group stage showed how underrated early game comps are, seems like every time a team went with an aggro 3 lane push strat it paid off.
C9 should go all out early. Sneaky by far did his best on Cait. Impact is best on carry tops, he should flout the control top meta and go for a snowball champ like renekton. Jensen on orianna or syndra, something he can shove lane with too. Contractz on lee. Win by 25 or lose
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10-16-2017, 07:29 AM #13259
I honestly see this as the only viable strat to win for C9. Or at least has the highest chance of wining and they have all the skill to pull it off. That's after WE that is. I think they have a good shot at beating WE even if they take it to late game. Any other team though... They don't have the macro... Proved by just letting Huni destroy their base while they had no idea what to do.
On a different note I think RNG can actually pull off a hyper aggro early game comp that can beat SKT if they were to face off against each other. Which I am assuming is the likely. RIP EU.hard to hate on a fellow wings fan but....
i need to cut... badly.
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10-16-2017, 06:43 PM #13260
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