***OFFICIAL Sports Ent Sea Thread** -Where you MUST BOLIEVE and you can't be a LEMON

[chucksmanhood]

Jericho > Brock

Oi, pussyole. You wanna be the new MOD in this section?

Ive relinquished ma duties, aint ever going back.

[BallGameFan]

Oi, pussyole. You wanna be the new MOD in this section?

Ive relinquished ma duties, aint ever going back.

Welcome back.. u lickle mad or something that u giving up your duties?

[chucksmanhood]

Welcome back.. u lickle mad or something that u giving up your duties?

The other MODs are nowt but nasty bullies and big meanies (likely get cucked by Jamal and Tyrone IRL). Never showed me any respec', never paid me my due. I got out, had had enough.

[Deathstroke]

The other MODs are nowt but nasty bullies and big meanies (likely get cucked by Jamal and Tyrone IRL). Never showed me any respec', never paid me my due. I got out, had had enough.

I am Namean btw. Always was.

[chucksmanhood]

I am Namean btw. Always was.

Yeah, and im hung like Ole Ron.

[Deathstroke]

George Bush lost all 3 debates in 04 and still was reelected. By me included.

[BallGameFan]

Cucksmanhood banned again????

[BallGameFan]

Resetting members with >150K reps back to 150K. Reps are serious business.

[BallGameFan]

Slow sea

[Deathstroke]

Slow sea

YOU are slow fool!

[RoccoTanno123]

George Bush lost all 3 debates in 04 and still was reelected. By me included.

Oh, so you're partly to blame for that atrocious 2nd term.

He lost all the debates? Must've been narrow losses. I remember him not doing well in the first debate--almost all sitting presidents outside of Clinton--have a bad first one, but the others were closer? Obama's was a disaster, but he tied or won the ones after. If the polling numbers are accurate, Trump's performance was more like Obama and GHWB's than Bush 2. But there's still 2 more to go.

[Deathstroke]

Rocco I was a Bush supporter in 04, and I couldn't help but cringe in embarrassment for him during the first debate. First debate he got his ass whooped, dead srs. Go back and read about it if you must. It was like a professor debating a cowboy.

Second one, Bush lost but he didn't blow it or make it obvious that he was getting owned. Basically he was not visibly stumped to which republicans including myself then said, "Thank God"...still not a win.

Third Kerry won by a hair.

The sit down VP debate was about even between Cheney and that pretty boy Edwards. Shame I thought Cheney took some cheap shots and low blows as he was the most intelligent man in the entire race, could've beaten him.

[tnel00]

George Bush lost all 3 debates in 04 and still was reelected. By me included.

Kerry just came across like an elitist douche. Kinda like Hillary...

Trump listened too much to his advisors not to attack too much and come off as boisterous. Bad advice IMO. With Hillary as the opponent, his strategy should have been to deflect her nonsensical attacks and go right back to attacking her record and character. Tough to do that though when you're debating two people at once.

[RoccoTanno123]

Kerry just came across like an elitist douche. Kinda like Hillary...

Trump listened too much to his advisors not to attack too much and come off as boisterous. Bad advice IMO. With Hillary as the opponent, his strategy should have been to deflect her nonsensical attacks and go right back to attacking her record and character. Tough to do that though when you're debating two people at once.

Debating who? The moderator? A registered Republican? Trump should've picked his battles smarter than trying to deny he initially supported the Iraq War, when he's on record not doing that. Pretty clear, imo, he was underprepared. Anybody with half a brain surely told him to take shots at the Clinton Foundations, emails, and to use the dog whistle of Benghazi, but he hardly did any of those.

I'm not even a Trump supporter and I could've interweaved talking point attacks and dog whistles on answers better than he did. It seemed to me like he fared fine on the trade stuff early on, then just started to fade steadily as the debate went on and on and Clinton didn't take the bait, but he'd take hers and would engage more on her turf.

[tnel00]

Debating who? The moderator? A registered Republican? Trump should've picked his battles smarter than trying to deny he initially supported the Iraq War, when he's on record not doing that. Pretty clear, imo, he was underprepared. Anybody with half a brain surely told him to take shots at the Clinton Foundations, emails, and to use the dog whistle of Benghazi, but he hardly did any of those.

I'm not even a Trump supporter and I could've interweaved talking point attacks and dog whistles on answers better than he did. It seemed to me like he fared fine on the trade stuff early on, then just started to fade steadily as the debate went on and on and Clinton didn't take the bait, but he'd take hers and would engage more on her turf.

That wasn't my point, because I pretty much agreed with all of that. Trump wasn't well prepared, and he should have been on the offensive.

However, the types of questions asked and the disparity of interruptions by the moderator between Trump and Clinton clearly showed bias. What party he's registered with honestly doesn't matter in this election. This isn't a republican vs. democrat election. It is an establishment vs. anti establishment election. I mean GHWB is voting for Clinton and most of the Republican elitists hate Trump.

[RoccoTanno123]

That wasn't my point, because I pretty much agreed with all of that. Trump wasn't well prepared, and he should have been on the offensive.

However, the types of questions asked and the disparity of interruptions by the moderator between Trump and Clinton clearly showed bias. What party he's registered with honestly doesn't matter in this election. This isn't a republican vs. democrat election. It is an establishment vs. anti establishment election. I mean GHWB is voting for Clinton and most of the Republican elitists hate Trump.

Questions asked, I could see that argument, considering no Clinton Foundation questions and some other things. Interruptions? He mostly interrupted to correct obvious falsehoods from Trump. Or to ask them to respect time limits and not interrupt eachother. I can understand the latter completely. And face facts, Trumpt interrupted Clinton far more frequently than vice-versa. As for the former? Trump insisted on peddling his fiction that he always opposed the Iraq War, just like he's insisted he always opposed Libya, when it's been out for awhile that that isn't true. He asked for it. I've got no problem with moderators fact-checking candidates when it's not a matter of opinion. Trump walked straight into it, and he should've known he was doing that too.

[tnel00]

Questions asked, I could see that argument, considering no Clinton Foundation questions and some other things. Interruptions? He mostly interrupted to correct obvious falsehoods from Trump. Or to ask them to respect time limits and not interrupt eachother. I can understand the latter completely. The former? Trump insisted on peddling his fiction that he always opposed the Iraq War, just like he's insisted he always opposed Libya, when it's been out for awhile that that isn't true. He asked for it. I've got no problem with moderators fact-checking candidates when it's not a matter of opinion. Trump walked straight into it, and he should've known he was doing that too.

Interruptions was something like 46 to 6...where was the fact checking on Clinton? Don't try to say she didn't lie during the debate.

Again, Trump could have played this differently to control the debate narrative better after the first 30 minutes or so (which he won handedly), but whether it was bad advice from his advisers or him not being prepared, he didn't for the last hour and a half. But this entire election has turned into one candidate (Trump) running against both another candidate and a shill media. There's a reason the media has approval ratings as low as congress now, and it's because their bias has been showing non-stop over the last couple months.

Can't wait for more Assange leaks. Guy is making it his mission to bring down crooked Hillary and I just hope her assassins don't get to him first.

[RoccoTanno123]

Interruptions was something like 46 to 6...where was the fact checking on Clinton? Don't try to say she didn't lie during the debate.

Got any examples of egregious I say X, the truth is not X, like Trump did? I think the media has been cautious about moderator callouts ever since Romney, Obama, and Crowley, so for the most part there are only ever going to be callouts if the moderator already has the candidate dead to rights, and Lester had Trump on that one. Plus, it was one that he got a complete pass on from Matt Laurer before and everyone was up in arms with it before, so they had to know he'd walk into it if he insisted on it. Personally, I'd prefer if they enforced timelimits and the rules harder, and cut people off, but maybe I'm just a hardass about rules are rules when it comes to something like debates.

Again, Trump could have played this differently to control the debate narrative better after the first 30 minutes or so (which he won handedly), but whether it was bad advice from his advisers or him not being prepared, he didn't for the last hour and a half. But this entire election has turned into one candidate (Trump) running against both another candidate and a shill media. There's a reason the media has approval ratings as low as congress now, and it's because their bias has been showing non-stop over the last couple months.

NBC might have had some pressure because they gave Trump more favorable treatment in that forum, and maybe overcorrected some with the topics for this one. I was pretty surprised there wasn't an immigration topic either, considering that's probably Trump's biggest issue and there's a big contrast there. But I don't think Trump received unfair treatment in terms of just moderator treatment. If one guy interrupts a lot more and exagerrates a lot more to make his points and won't admit he's doing that, he's going to get burned more. That's just the way it is and probably should be. As for the rest of the media, I'll leave that alone outside of agreeing that the coverage has left quite a lot to be desired.

Can't wait for more Assange leaks. Guy is making it his mission to bring down crooked Hillary and I just hope her assassins don't get to him first.

I'd guess there will be mroe, but lol'd at assassins. Trump's campaign has been a carnival, but they've got a much better lid on leaks and preventing hacks.

[tnel00]

Got any examples of egregious I say X, the truth is not X, like Trump did? I think the media has been cautious about moderator callouts ever since Romney, Obama, and Crowley, so for the most part there are only ever going to be callouts if the moderator already has the candidate dead to rights, and Lester had Trump on that one. Plus, it was one that he got a complete pass on from Matt Laurer before and everyone was up in arms with it before, so they had to know he'd walk into it if he insisted on it. Personally, I'd prefer if they enforced timelimits and the rules harder, and cut people off, but maybe I'm just a hardass about rules are rules when it comes to something like debates.

1) Already illegal to pay women less than men for the same work. Although what hillary actually said she wanted during the debate was women to be paid the same as men if they performed less work...
2) Hillary was a champion of TPP, despite her lies that she wasn't.
3) Every time she brought up "fair share"...like all Democrats when it comes to Taxes, they don't seem to understand the concept of fairness
4) She stated that Trump's tax plan wouldn't change corporate tax rates. Blatantly false.
5) Claimed that her Iran nuclear deal puts an end to their nuclear weapons research.
6) Her defense of her emails being a mistake, even though multiple private servers were set up and every gov't employee knows what she did was wrong
7) She claimed Trump invited Russia to hack us. Totally false.

[tnel00]

I'd guess there will be mroe, but lol'd at assassins. Trump's campaign has been a carnival, but they've got a much better lid on leaks and preventing hacks.

You can "lol" at assassins, but I don't put anything past the Clinton's. A few weird deaths surrounding them, yeah, that's just nut job conspiracy theories. But 50+??

Where there is smoke there is fire. If the Clinton's have not been involved or had knowledge, then they it is the largest coincidence in history that so many with dirt on them just suddenly die. I'm legit worried for Assange and Trump. First we get a supposed dead man trespassing in Trump tower with a silenced pistol, then we get a man scaling the wall of the Ecuadorian embassy in London where Assange is in hiding. Too many connected to the Clintons have died in unusual circumstances. Suicides by being shot in the back of the head are not normal.

[jimbob007]

So is Trump going on trial for these child sex/rape allegations?

[Deathstroke]

Yup, and I'm going to the WWE as a Superstar.

[RoccoTanno123]

1) Already illegal to pay women less than men for the same work. Although what hillary actually said she wanted during the debate was women to be paid the same as men if they performed less work...
2) Hillary was a champion of TPP, despite her lies that she wasn't.
3) Every time she brought up "fair share"...like all Democrats when it comes to Taxes, they don't seem to understand the concept of fairness
4) She stated that Trump's tax plan wouldn't change corporate tax rates. Blatantly false.
5) Claimed that her Iran nuclear deal puts an end to their nuclear weapons research.
6) Her defense of her emails being a mistake, even though multiple private servers were set up and every gov't employee knows what she did was wrong
7) She claimed Trump invited Russia to hack us. Totally false.

1. there's plenty of debate around this subject, and clinton has made calls for more legislation and reforms. not a clear contradiction.
2. yes, she's reversed her position from when the agreement was in "outline form" or whatever. She could've gotten called out for that, at least for a tough followup.
3. totally different than what I'm talking about. that's a whole opinion and philosophical debate, not a fact check.
4. Sure, but then you get into a big semantics and back and forth about the extent it really changes tax rates, just like how Romney got into the back and forth with Crowley about when and how Obama responded to Benghazi, except even squishy because it all comes down to number crunching and how you model things, etc.
5. I don't recall her making that strong a statement, though she did defend the deal.
6. not a fact check again.
7. she did this at the debate? Trump did have that strange joke some months back about russian hacking, so again she's got some fallback for argument.

So is Trump going on trial for these child sex/rape allegations?

I doubt it, but there's not enough info to really know. It'd be a complete mess if they did, considering Trump could be haled into court while he was president.

[jimbob007]

Yup, and I'm going to the WWE as a Superstar.

I'm goin to rasslin baby.

[tnel00]

So is Trump going on trial for these child sex/rape allegations?

The one that has been refiled 3 times now by an anonymous source who gave an abandoned property as her address with a wrong phone number? The one supposedly 22 years ago, well outside the statute of limitations - so it can only be brought through civil court - with no physical evidence or non-anonymous witnesses? The one that only came up after Trump was in the drivers seat for running for President - even though he's been rich and in the public eye for decades? The one that is being funded and pushed by two anti-Trump bigwigs?

Yeah, political smear jobs typically don't make it to court.

1. there's plenty of debate around this subject, and clinton has made calls for more legislation and reforms. not a clear contradiction.
2. yes, she's reversed her position from when the agreement was in "outline form" or whatever. She could've gotten called out for that, at least for a tough followup.
3. totally different than what I'm talking about. that's a whole opinion and philosophical debate, not a fact check.
4. Sure, but then you get into a big semantics and back and forth about the extent it really changes tax rates, just like how Romney got into the back and forth with Crowley about when and how Obama responded to Benghazi, except even squishy because it all comes down to number crunching and how you model things, etc.
5. I don't recall her making that strong a statement, though she did defend the deal.
6. not a fact check again.
7. she did this at the debate? Trump did have that strange joke some months back about russian hacking, so again she's got some fallback for argument.

You can pretty much use the same semantics defense for Trump that you just used for Shillary.

Gonna leave this here:

I doubt it, but there's not enough info to really know. It'd be a complete mess if they did, considering Trump could be haled into court while he was president.

It'd be a complete mess. What could be an even bigger mess is if impeachment hearings are brought up on Hillary immediately after she's elected for lying in front of congress.

[RoccoTanno123]

You can pretty much use the same semantics defense for Trump that you just used for Shillary.

It's not the same. He said he always opposed the war in Iraq and did so from the beginning. That's flatly false. He's on record not doing that, and his response is he talked privately with Sean Hannity and opposed it before then?

Trump's relationship with the truth is just as problematic, albeit in a different way usually, than Clinton's. Anyway back on topic, TPP example aside (which Hillary didn't deny she supported initially at the debate), calculating tax plans and their impacts on the economy and growth is not the same thing. It's not an easy---here's the facts proving that what you said was a fact is not--it's an impact question. And the CBO is the closest thing to an nonpartisan entity and they can still be wrong and aren't accepted as an arbiter, since candidate's can usually just get some think thank to number crunch and say something different, like Romney in 2012, even if it relies on ridiculous assumptions like 5% GDP per quarter for how many years.

Gonna leave this here:

I'm not crazy about wikileaks, but obviously this is another reason to not be crazy about how Hillary will handle foreign policy and "national security" issues.

It'd be a complete mess. What could be an even bigger mess is if impeachment hearings are brought up on Hillary immediately after she's elected for lying in front of congress.

That's true. Since it's before taking office they could pursue criminal charges as well. This election is truly a choice between a douche and a turd.

[Deathstroke]

tnel, stay safe this weekend too.

[tnel00]

tnel, stay safe this weekend too.

You too. I'm looking at a direct hit.

Gonna try to get the WBG up tomorrow since I may be without power thursday through the weekend.

[Deathstroke]

You too. I'm looking at a direct hit.

Gonna try to get the WBG up tomorrow since I may be without power thursday through the weekend.

I've got my my Kindle and my iPad on charging station. I think my Trax has the ability to actually charge my phone from there as opposed to my computer or my homes power outlet, I just never used it. I got a lot of flashlight lanterns (one for every room) and flashlights (to carry around) and batteries too. I'm thinking my fence will be toast if the hurricane moves to far inland. I'm not right on the coast but I live where I can hit the beaches in 30 minutes if I want to.

Knowing me I'll still check into this site via any mobile means. Especially given I won't have sh*t to do if power gone. I'm used to drinking tons of booze during hurricanes...not this year!

[tnel00]

I've got my my Kindle and my iPad on charging station. I think my Trax has the ability to actually charge my phone from there as opposed to my computer or my homes power outlet, I just never used it. I got a lot of flashlight lanterns (one for every room) and flashlights (to carry around) and batteries too. I'm thinking my fence will be toast if the hurricane moves to far inland. I'm not right on the coast but I live where I can hit the beaches in 30 minutes if I want to.

Knowing me I'll still check into this site via any mobile means. Especially given I won't have sh*t to do if power gone. I'm used to drinking tons of booze during hurricanes...not this year!

I went out and got one of those portable chargers for smartphones so I should be able to stay connected through the storm. It's supposed to have 5 full charges for an iphone. But I'm only about 5 miles off the coast, so I fully expect to lose power at some point. I also have a car charger for camping that will let me charge my laptop.

Only thing I'm worried about is if it will create any tornados. otherwise, i have enough water, canned tuna, and beef jerky to last me at least a month.