The Official True Detective (HBO) Thread

[lAmTheLiquor]

I like this season better. I thought 1 was overrated.

The main murder mystery was too convoluted for me, so I gave up trying to follow it halfway through this season, but I feel like its main purpose was to bring these characters together and show them interacting. I think the acting has been phenomenal this season, and the characters' personal dramas should be the real focus. The atmosphere, mood, everything have been awesome.

Tonight's episode...haven't been hit this hard with bleakness and despair by a TV show since the last 2-3 eps of breaking bad. Frank especially was giving off some Walter white vibes.

True Detective will always be more about the personal relationships and development of the main characters rather than a show whose selling point is the overall plot. With that being said, in my mind, not only did season 1 have better characters and chemistry in Rust & Marty, the whole creepy Louisiana backdrop and cult dynamic was much more appealing to me than this corruption scandal (which we've essentially known the details of since episode 1).

[Brad_Pitt]

I like this season better. I thought 1 was overrated.

The main murder mystery was too convoluted for me, so I gave up trying to follow it halfway through this season, but I feel like its main purpose was to bring these characters together and show them interacting. I think the acting has been phenomenal this season, and the characters' personal dramas should be the real focus. The atmosphere, mood, everything have been awesome.

Tonight's episode...haven't been hit this hard with bleakness and despair by a TV show since the last 2-3 eps of breaking bad. Frank especially was giving off some Walter white vibes.

I also thought Taylor when he got shot and creeping towards him gun shouting, "**** you" at Burress was great.

He kinda sucked all season but that scene had so much emotional charge and he pulled it off really well as a guy who wanted to live for his family, to be a good man and couldn't believe the card he was dealt after going through so much just previously.

It was brilliantly acted.

Burress being in the right place at the right time was a stretch though but I forgive it because everything else was superb.

[Brad_Pitt]

police chick keeps talkin about the party like they were sacrificing babies or something. just a little orgy jeez

Yeah she's very self righteous.

[Lunatic]

I'm ****ing lost.

It really pisses me off that the first half of this show is slow and full of nothing.

[Brad_Pitt]

I'm ****ing lost.

It really pisses me off that the first half of this show is slow and full of nothing.

This isn't 100% but it might clear up the plot for you a bit.

1992


• Crooked cops (Lt. Burris and Teague Dixon) tipped Osip (Russian mobster) about a jewel store with expensive diamonds
• Osip and/or his men robbed the store, killed the owners and left 2 kids behind
• Mayor Chessani (who was already corrupt at this point and possibly involved with Burris and Dixon) adopted the 2 kids to brainwash them in the Chessani “family tradition” and prevent them from being witnesses (Tony and Betty Chessani are both Hispanic looking and reminiscent of the 2 kids of the dead jewel store owners seen in the photo in Episode 7. Plus given the 20+ year gap, their ages would make sense)
• Teague Dixon kept photos of the diamonds as insurance against his partner, Burris, and Osip


2011-2015


• Tony Chessani becomes a pimp and sets up escort parties with Ben Caspere to facilitate lucrative deals and collect blackmail on high profile people for his father to use
(1) Helene Chessani disapproved of the “highly inventive” family tradition (possibly what made Tony become so sex crazed and become a pimp)
(2) Mayor Chessani used Dr. Pitlor to keep her quiet by having her committed
• Caspere and Catalyst CEO McCandles meet at one of the parties and set up the land deal
• Mayor Chessani used Dixon to blackmail Osip into joining the land deal
• Osip buys in using the diamonds he stole (hence why they were in Caspere’s safe deposit box)
• Frank Semyon hears of this deal and sells off his assets to buy in, hoping to go legit (his $5 million that was in Caspere’s possession)
• Burris kills Caspere, leaving the land deal in gridlock and bankrupting Frank
• Burris gives Caspere’s goods to the Mexican pimp and hooker Irina to pawn to make it look like they robbed and killed Caspere
• Teague encourages the pawn shop lead to help frame the Mexican pimp for Caspere’s murder
• Burris dumps Caspere’s body to bring media attention and bog down the investigation
• Burris and Dixon manipulate the investigation from the inside, Dixon by encouraging the pawn shop lead and framing the Mexicans and Burris by shooting Velcoro when he got too close and collecting the hard drive that Caspere had.
• Knowing that Frank would go after the Mexicans, Chessani guaranteed that the criminal factions in Vinci would take each other out, leaving only Osip whom he controls. With that, Chessani gets to have a low crime rate in his city, furthering his career and Geldof gets to run for Governor on the same low crime rate. Not to mention, Osip would have connections to keep the Eastern Bloc women coming in for those parties

[seanb1979]

so im assuming the gay guy is dead for sure? fought like hell... gonna be interesting to see who else dies

[seanb1979]

This isn't 100% but it might clear up the plot for you a bit.

1992


• Crooked cops (Lt. Burris and Teague Dixon) tipped Osip (Russian mobster) about a jewel store with expensive diamonds
• Osip and/or his men robbed the store, killed the owners and left 2 kids behind
• Mayor Chessani (who was already corrupt at this point and possibly involved with Burris and Dixon) adopted the 2 kids to brainwash them in the Chessani “family tradition” and prevent them from being witnesses (Tony and Betty Chessani are both Hispanic looking and reminiscent of the 2 kids of the dead jewel store owners seen in the photo in Episode 7. Plus given the 20+ year gap, their ages would make sense)
• Teague Dixon kept photos of the diamonds as insurance against his partner, Burris, and Osip


2011-2015


• Tony Chessani becomes a pimp and sets up escort parties with Ben Caspere to facilitate lucrative deals and collect blackmail on high profile people for his father to use
(1) Helene Chessani disapproved of the “highly inventive” family tradition (possibly what made Tony become so sex crazed and become a pimp)
(2) Mayor Chessani used Dr. Pitlor to keep her quiet by having her committed
• Caspere and Catalyst CEO McCandles meet at one of the parties and set up the land deal
• Mayor Chessani used Dixon to blackmail Osip into joining the land deal
• Osip buys in using the diamonds he stole (hence why they were in Caspere’s safe deposit box)
• Frank Semyon hears of this deal and sells off his assets to buy in, hoping to go legit (his $5 million that was in Caspere’s possession)
• Burris kills Caspere, leaving the land deal in gridlock and bankrupting Frank
• Burris gives Caspere’s goods to the Mexican pimp and hooker Irina to pawn to make it look like they robbed and killed Caspere
• Teague encourages the pawn shop lead to help frame the Mexican pimp for Caspere’s murder
• Burris dumps Caspere’s body to bring media attention and bog down the investigation
• Burris and Dixon manipulate the investigation from the inside, Dixon by encouraging the pawn shop lead and framing the Mexicans and Burris by shooting Velcoro when he got too close and collecting the hard drive that Caspere had.
• Knowing that Frank would go after the Mexicans, Chessani guaranteed that the criminal factions in Vinci would take each other out, leaving only Osip whom he controls. With that, Chessani gets to have a low crime rate in his city, furthering his career and Geldof gets to run for Governor on the same low crime rate. Not to mention, Osip would have connections to keep the Eastern Bloc women coming in for those parties

i vaguely gathered something like this.. i guess the story never grabbed me so ive only been half paying attention during each episode

[Lunatic]

This isn't 100% but it might clear up the plot for you a bit.

1992


• Crooked cops (Lt. Burris and Teague Dixon) tipped Osip (Russian mobster) about a jewel store with expensive diamonds
• Osip and/or his men robbed the store, killed the owners and left 2 kids behind
• Mayor Chessani (who was already corrupt at this point and possibly involved with Burris and Dixon) adopted the 2 kids to brainwash them in the Chessani “family tradition” and prevent them from being witnesses (Tony and Betty Chessani are both Hispanic looking and reminiscent of the 2 kids of the dead jewel store owners seen in the photo in Episode 7. Plus given the 20+ year gap, their ages would make sense)
• Teague Dixon kept photos of the diamonds as insurance against his partner, Burris, and Osip


2011-2015


• Tony Chessani becomes a pimp and sets up escort parties with Ben Caspere to facilitate lucrative deals and collect blackmail on high profile people for his father to use
(1) Helene Chessani disapproved of the “highly inventive” family tradition (possibly what made Tony become so sex crazed and become a pimp)
(2) Mayor Chessani used Dr. Pitlor to keep her quiet by having her committed
• Caspere and Catalyst CEO McCandles meet at one of the parties and set up the land deal
• Mayor Chessani used Dixon to blackmail Osip into joining the land deal
• Osip buys in using the diamonds he stole (hence why they were in Caspere’s safe deposit box)
• Frank Semyon hears of this deal and sells off his assets to buy in, hoping to go legit (his $5 million that was in Caspere’s possession)
• Burris kills Caspere, leaving the land deal in gridlock and bankrupting Frank
• Burris gives Caspere’s goods to the Mexican pimp and hooker Irina to pawn to make it look like they robbed and killed Caspere
• Teague encourages the pawn shop lead to help frame the Mexican pimp for Caspere’s murder
• Burris dumps Caspere’s body to bring media attention and bog down the investigation
• Burris and Dixon manipulate the investigation from the inside, Dixon by encouraging the pawn shop lead and framing the Mexicans and Burris by shooting Velcoro when he got too close and collecting the hard drive that Caspere had.
• Knowing that Frank would go after the Mexicans, Chessani guaranteed that the criminal factions in Vinci would take each other out, leaving only Osip whom he controls. With that, Chessani gets to have a low crime rate in his city, furthering his career and Geldof gets to run for Governor on the same low crime rate. Not to mention, Osip would have connections to keep the Eastern Bloc women coming in for those parties

IMHO, they've done a piss poor job of putting all of that together. I'm obviously going to watch the finale, but this season is entirely too much to follow. Too many stories, too much plot, too many characters, too much to follow.

[vsvs]

whos the black guy in the basement

[seanb1979]

whos the black guy in the basement

captain afro, the local PD chief

[Lunatic]

whos the black guy in the basement

****ing this

[vsvs]

gayboy is a pretty good killer. why does he even GAF about his 'secret' tho lol

[aksnowbrder]

Look, i really like this show a lot, even this season which apparently everyone is crying about, but its pissing me the hell off with this:

the reason that NOBODY can keep up with the plot is:

all they do when addressing MAJOR PLOT POINTS is talk about people by their name, but when they actually INTRODUCE one of the million characters related to the plot, they only say their name like ONE TIME. how can i be expected to remember all 295969294195 side characters by their LAST NAME ONLY when all you do is mention it one phucking time.

i really think i have a way better attention span than most, and i pride myself in being able to keep up with chit but seriously, this season is so hard to keep up with who everyone is and why theyre important.

[seanb1979]

****ing this

you remember him giving farrell orders at the local police station for vinci? he seemed like the top dog there, or at least pretty high up.. i knew with an afro like that he'd be up to no good

[glossin]

Well the bird man came back. I'm pretty stoked that they pulled an Errol Childress, I was thinking it was Chesani's son the whole time. Interested to see if he comes back to play, other than owning that company. And Vince Vaughn really nailed this episode, I think the writers finally quit trying to go back and look at a thesaurus and change his lines up with bigger words for this episode.

[GApump]

Best episode of the season imo. I like the corruption storyline, but it's not as gripping as the bayou satanist thing from S1. Like someone said earlier, the plot in S1 was not what reeled everyone in, it was the acting of Rust and Hart, along with the imagery. The conclusion of S1 was subpar, S2 seems like it may peak at the finale.

[PepperedAngus]

Just how in the fuk did Burris know Woodrugh was going to come out of that one particular door? I mean c'mon, the one dude said those tunnels run under the entire city, he could have come up anywhere. Burris the true wizard

Same thing happened when Bezerides ran out of the hooker party with the girl...she opens one window out of 100 in the house and poof! theres her partners waiting outside. Some disbelief can be suspended to move along the plot and stick to time constraints, but at times it really does get regoddamndiculous.

[SipNPiz]

finally they hooked up

Spoiler!

mcadams and farrel

like omgosh so much sexual tension~!

[glossin]

Best episode of the season imo. I like the corruption storyline, but it's not as gripping as the bayou satanist thing from S1. Like someone said earlier, the plot in S1 was not what reeled everyone in, it was the acting of Rust and Hart, along with the imagery. The conclusion of S1 was subpar, S2 seems like it may peak at the finale.

The cinematography suffered this season because they didn't bring back Cary Fukunaga to direct, IMO.

[GApump]

I lol'd hard at the big shootout scene when Bezerides was running after that van. When it showed the van alone it looked like it was going 40+ mph, but somehow she is keeping pace with it.

[seanb1979]

has anyone else noticed that out of the 4 leads, the mob boss is probably the most morally upright one?

[ryan0931]

god damn wished mcadams went nude for the one time

[Ace28]

So am I the only one thinking that Velcoro is the guy who raped Mcadams and that is who she saw in those flashbacks?

[GApump]

Wut...

The guy in the flashbacks looks like Rasputin and is about as old as Velcoro is now...

[ApG]

Kept thinking Colin was that dude from Creed lol. I wonder if they'll find out who has that hard drive or the contents of it or if it even furthers the story at this point.

[adamsz]

So am I the only one thinking that Velcoro is the guy who raped Mcadams and that is who she saw in those flashbacks?

Uhhhhh. Not sure if srs.

[adamsz]

9.5/10 episode. Fuark that was amazing.

Only complaint is this:

Look, i really like this show a lot, even this season which apparently everyone is crying about, but its pissing me the hell off with this:

the reason that NOBODY can keep up with the plot is:

all they do when addressing MAJOR PLOT POINTS is talk about people by their name, but when they actually INTRODUCE one of the million characters related to the plot, they only say their name like ONE TIME. how can i be expected to remember all 295969294195 side characters by their LAST NAME ONLY when all you do is mention it one phucking time.

i really think i have a way better attention span than most, and i pride myself in being able to keep up with chit but seriously, this season is so hard to keep up with who everyone is and why theyre important.

[Ace28]

Wut...

The guy in the flashbacks looks like Rasputin and is about as old asvVelcoro is now...

I went back and watched that scene, you're right about the age. But the dialogue was odd when they were at the table, "you're not a bad man" "do you miss it" maybe she's attracted to him in some ****ed up way because of the dark hair and dark facial hair. She wanted to **** him as soon as they got back to the hotel after her drug trip, who knows maybe it's simpler than I'm making it out to be.

[sharepass11]

everything in that episode was anticipated



good ending though, and i seriously wanted to see collin destroying rachels angus

So am I the only one thinking that Velcoro is the guy who raped Mcadams and that is who she saw in those flashbacks?

i dont think so tim

Just how in the fuk did Burris know Woodrugh was going to come out of that one particular door? I mean c'mon, the one dude said those tunnels run under the entire city, he could have come up anywhere. Burris the true wizard

X10000000000000000000000000000000


thats why i give this episode a 1/10

[ltrrtl218]

This isn't 100% but it might clear up the plot for you a bit.

1992


• Crooked cops (Lt. Burris and Teague Dixon) tipped Osip (Russian mobster) about a jewel store with expensive diamonds
• Osip and/or his men robbed the store, killed the owners and left 2 kids behind
• Mayor Chessani (who was already corrupt at this point and possibly involved with Burris and Dixon) adopted the 2 kids to brainwash them in the Chessani “family tradition” and prevent them from being witnesses (Tony and Betty Chessani are both Hispanic looking and reminiscent of the 2 kids of the dead jewel store owners seen in the photo in Episode 7. Plus given the 20+ year gap, their ages would make sense)
• Teague Dixon kept photos of the diamonds as insurance against his partner, Burris, and Osip


2011-2015


• Tony Chessani becomes a pimp and sets up escort parties with Ben Caspere to facilitate lucrative deals and collect blackmail on high profile people for his father to use
(1) Helene Chessani disapproved of the “highly inventive” family tradition (possibly what made Tony become so sex crazed and become a pimp)
(2) Mayor Chessani used Dr. Pitlor to keep her quiet by having her committed
• Caspere and Catalyst CEO McCandles meet at one of the parties and set up the land deal
• Mayor Chessani used Dixon to blackmail Osip into joining the land deal
• Osip buys in using the diamonds he stole (hence why they were in Caspere’s safe deposit box)
• Frank Semyon hears of this deal and sells off his assets to buy in, hoping to go legit (his $5 million that was in Caspere’s possession)
• Burris kills Caspere, leaving the land deal in gridlock and bankrupting Frank
• Burris gives Caspere’s goods to the Mexican pimp and hooker Irina to pawn to make it look like they robbed and killed Caspere
• Teague encourages the pawn shop lead to help frame the Mexican pimp for Caspere’s murder
• Burris dumps Caspere’s body to bring media attention and bog down the investigation
• Burris and Dixon manipulate the investigation from the inside, Dixon by encouraging the pawn shop lead and framing the Mexicans and Burris by shooting Velcoro when he got too close and collecting the hard drive that Caspere had.
• Knowing that Frank would go after the Mexicans, Chessani guaranteed that the criminal factions in Vinci would take each other out, leaving only Osip whom he controls. With that, Chessani gets to have a low crime rate in his city, furthering his career and Geldof gets to run for Governor on the same low crime rate. Not to mention, Osip would have connections to keep the Eastern Bloc women coming in for those parties

Thanks. I've been so lost as to wtf is going on this season other than that the cops are trying to find out about that one guys murder. At the same time I kinda half watch it as this season has not at all grabbed me like season 1 did and I have a hard time focusing on it for the full hour.