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09-15-2014, 10:27 AM #6031DR. 3time
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09-15-2014, 10:34 AM #6032
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Yep, we decided, when we put them in front of millions of people and made their every move visible to the public. IMHO the same goes for all celebrity, not just sports.
I dunno what JJ Watt is doing. What's he doing?
If you mean: people also do a lot of good work, community service, etc, then you're definitely right and they deserve recognition as much as these scumbags, but positively.All Hail the Ultimate Master, "I Know More Than The Generals Do", Donald Camacho Dr. Pepper X-Ray AR-15 Trump
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09-15-2014, 10:59 AM #6033
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... big waiver moves coming on the 17th.
If I get none of em I'm in big trouble. If I get all of em... things are looking okay.All Hail the Ultimate Master, "I Know More Than The Generals Do", Donald Camacho Dr. Pepper X-Ray AR-15 Trump
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09-15-2014, 11:15 AM #6034
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09-15-2014, 11:17 AM #6035
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09-15-2014, 11:20 AM #6036
Yeah not sure why employers are obligated to punish non convicted accused criminals, even if what they did was apparently distasteful. Massive slippery slope there.
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09-15-2014, 11:21 AM #6037
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Your childhood punishment sounds much like mine. I was tagged with belts, switches, spatulas, wooden spoons, and hands.
The mug shot seems like they just didn't want to enforce it on the celebrity. I know when I had to get a mug shot I went to smile (figured why not? What's done is done, I don't want to look like a normal mug shot) and they said I couldn't' do that and if they allowed me to smile that they'd get in trouble.
+ Andre Johnson is always a classy guy and does lots for the community.
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2013/12/andr...xans-christmas
"For the seventh straight year, All-Pro wide receiver Andre Johnson played Santa to at-risk children from Houston."
Here was the article for him in 2012:
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/shutdo...8442--nfl.html-
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09-15-2014, 11:21 AM #6038
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09-15-2014, 11:30 AM #6039
Your dad was being an abusive jackass when you were 5-7 years old.
1) He did a pretty good job of having people think less of him by beating the **** out of a defenseless 5 year old. You don't have to help along the process.
2) Of course you didn't view at as weird/abusive. You're talking about the man who you're biologically conditioned as seeing your defender and nurturer. It's cognitive dissonance.
Not beating the piss out of a little kid isn't what makes you soft.
Committing physical violence against your kid as a form of "life lesson" is abuse. Plain and simple.
All these "back in the day/but my parents/call me old fashioned but" blah blah blah stories are just mental gymnastics of a person defending their parents in relation to these people who are appropriately portrayed as horrible on the news for doing the same things. Or at the very least, having the same philosophy on punishing their children.
Nope. Wrong either way. I'd say it's worse if it's done in a calm and calculating manner. That's some cult levels of abuse.
Read again what you wrote here mate.
"Just 1 swat."
SMH.
Hitting your kids is damaging. End of line.
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09-15-2014, 11:36 AM #6040
I mean, for the record, not that it needs to be qualified, but I was also beaten the frack out of when I was little.
My dad took a giant metal shoehorn to me on several occasions. My mom also clouted me good couple of times.
If you were to ask me what the most vivid memories of my dad will be in my head, it wouldn't be playing ball in the park, driving for the first time, etc.
It would be the day he went Babe Ruth on my ass with a giant shoehorn.
My mom actually sat me down when I was like 16ish and apologized for all the times she used physical violence on me as a form of punishment.
It really was a turning point in our relationship, and how I will perceive her forever.
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09-15-2014, 11:41 AM #6041
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09-15-2014, 11:42 AM #6042
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09-15-2014, 11:44 AM #6043
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09-15-2014, 11:50 AM #6044
We won't agree here, so I'm not going to address everything you wrote. I don't think swatting a kid's butt is inherently abusive, and I also acknowledge for some kids it would not be an effective form of discipline. I don't agree with the perspective that physical discipline is a "all or nothing" scenario. Going into a fit of rage and smacking your child across the face with a dinner plate is not synonymous with swatting them on the butt or a slap on the wrist, just my 0.02.
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09-15-2014, 11:54 AM #6045
Physical violence as a form of parenting is physical violence as a form of parenting.
Your "just 1 swat" rule is another man's "boot to the face" rule.
It all perpetuates the same cycle of kids getting screwed one way or another.
But more infuriatingly, it gives ammunition to the "i'm old school y'all" crowd of parents; some of whom are literally beating their kids to a pulp and using the "just 1 swat" people as some form of societal justification.
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09-15-2014, 11:56 AM #6046
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09-15-2014, 11:56 AM #6047
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09-15-2014, 12:00 PM #6048
To address this and your other post -- you don't think your father's actions color your perspective to an extreme end of the spectrum? The only reason I said "1 swat only" was to qualify the nature of the instances, not to highlight my corporal punishment handbook.
Not sure what to say to that other than having helped raise these kids when their father walked out, my sister and I provided consistent parenting styles for them and she was always the boss on what punishments were appropriate for her kids. Swats on the butts, wrist, time out chairs, etc. were always okay. Not sure if you have siblings or what your relationships were like with them, but this would never be an issue with us.
good talk guys. not really sure much else can be said. If and when I have kids, if anyone other than my wife or my sis (the people I trust) decided to take it upon themselves to discipline my kids I'd explode like a volcano, especially members of my wife's family. But, because of that, I also would never leave them in their possession -- best to avoid any bad scenarios.August 2023:
BW: 194
B: 315 x 3, 225 x 14 (PR: 335)
S: 315 x 2, 225 x 18 (PR's)
DL: 405 x 1 (PR); Trap Bar DL: 405 x 1
OHP: 185 x 3 (PR), 135 x 16
Chins: 22(PR) Pushups: 83 (PR: 101)
1 Mile: 6:45 (PR: 5:52)
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09-15-2014, 12:01 PM #6049
Somehow these computers at the library always log me on with 125% appearance size in settings. BRB.
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09-15-2014, 12:05 PM #6050
Had I know this, would have posted homosexual NSFW photos/gifs. Terms of service legal, of course.
That was my impression of mug shots. And yeah, my child hood sounds roughly the same. Honestly, it's ingrained in the culture of where I'm from (backwoods country area). "Getting the belt" is as common to say as "chop some kinlin" (kindling) or "clean your room." Can honestly say I know 0 people from where I'm from who had parents that didn't believe in physical discipline.August 2023:
BW: 194
B: 315 x 3, 225 x 14 (PR: 335)
S: 315 x 2, 225 x 18 (PR's)
DL: 405 x 1 (PR); Trap Bar DL: 405 x 1
OHP: 185 x 3 (PR), 135 x 16
Chins: 22(PR) Pushups: 83 (PR: 101)
1 Mile: 6:45 (PR: 5:52)
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09-15-2014, 12:07 PM #6051
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09-15-2014, 12:07 PM #6052
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I've threatened to report one of the VPs in my office to CPS on several occasions, since raising a young child to be a Jets fan is tantamount to abuse.
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09-15-2014, 12:09 PM #6053
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09-15-2014, 12:09 PM #6054
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09-15-2014, 12:10 PM #6055
No, because like I said my mom also provided the "lighter" forms of punishments you're promoting.
I viewed it all the same. The bruises and tears last all of about a day or two. The emotional and psychological scars are what's important.
And like I said, I am eternally grateful she sat me down later in life and we talked it over.
At the end of the day it's your parents, the people entrusted with your well being, resorting to physical violence as some sort of formative lesson because apparently all other options have been exhausted.
On a little kid, by the way, who hasn't formed the the faculties of right/wrong, isn't yet capable of understanding why you're hitting him, but will forever equate physical violence as providing "correctional help" in any given situation.
That's shit parenting.
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09-15-2014, 12:12 PM #6056
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09-15-2014, 12:13 PM #6057
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I think corporal punishment is ineffective, counterproductive, frequently harmful, and generally a chickensh*t way of enforcing discipline on young children, and to me it's best left on the scrapheap of "the way it's always been" like Jim Crow laws or bloodletting to balance your humors.
But debating pros and cons of corporal punishment obscures the issue of what AP did; the injuries he inflicted on that kid are straight-up child abuse and anyone defending that level of punishment seriously needs therapy.
Not to mention that Mike Ditka bloviated on the air about how hid dad beating the crap out of him as a kid made him the man he is today, and since Ditka is a stupid, hateful jackass, terrible analyst, and terrible coach, it's pretty safe to say that anything Ditka supports is wrong.***Anyone With "Crew" in Their Signature Sucks Balls Crew***
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09-15-2014, 12:16 PM #6058
IMO if you have to use an object (essentially a weapon) to be able to inflict more damage to your child you have overstepped the line between spanking and beating. I find spanking to be an acceptable form of punishment, beating - not so much.
I think there is a grey area for what constitutes discipline vs. child abuse, but I'd like to think that we can move away from using weapons to beat our children.My Journal (RIP 05/11 - 09/13):
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09-15-2014, 12:16 PM #6059
Heh, my mom was the opposite. She was explosive compared to my dad. I imagine it'd be difficult to view your mom knowing what type of behaviors she allowed to happen, sorry to hear that, glad you got to have a heart to heart with her. I've had a similar conversation with my father when I was in my early 20's. The worst punishment I remember as a kid, though, wasn't any time I got hit. It was when they decided not to hit and make me sit in the corner of the room with my nose facing in the corner so I could think about what I had done wrong. BRB kid with the energy of six squirrels having to sit in a corner for 10 minutes.
To the bolded -- this I can agree with whole heartedly. I know for a fact the evidence in the field supports that violent behaviors beget violent behaviors. All I did was look for a reason to fight from the age of about 12 to 20 when I realized I was too pretty for jail.August 2023:
BW: 194
B: 315 x 3, 225 x 14 (PR: 335)
S: 315 x 2, 225 x 18 (PR's)
DL: 405 x 1 (PR); Trap Bar DL: 405 x 1
OHP: 185 x 3 (PR), 135 x 16
Chins: 22(PR) Pushups: 83 (PR: 101)
1 Mile: 6:45 (PR: 5:52)
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09-15-2014, 12:16 PM #6060
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