Thanks mate. The bands really helped. I started with a blue band which is twice as thick as the red band. It's hung from the chinup bar and it supports my waist when doing the standing rollouts. I've been able to rep with a plain band (the thinnest) in the past but never got as far as repping with no assistance (did 1x5 one time).
You can also do partial reps (against a wall), or up a ramp if you can rig one up. You can also get a partner to put plates on your back when doing the kneeling variant.
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01-18-2013, 06:21 AM #1741
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01-20-2013, 04:03 AM #1743
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I deleted my previous 'routine' - I'm still working on it. I have a few things that need answering:
- How does a mini cut fit into an overreaching cycle?
- How does dynamic work affect workload / how does it contribute to overreaching?
- Best way to avoid overreaching if necessary with a mini bulk/cut cycle? Maybe alternating between high/low perceived effort workouts...
The premise will still be:
- 2 weeks bulk, 2 weeks cut
- low carbing and supercompensating at the end of the cut cycle
- volume / dynamic work during the bulk
- higher intensity work during the cut to make neural improvements...
Weight: 85.9kg
Deadlift: 3 x 5 x 150kg -- had more in tank
Military press: 5 x 5 x 57.5kg -- ditto
Front squat: 3 x 6 x 80kg
Ab wheel standing: 3 x 6 x Red -- same as last time because my abs were still sore
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01-22-2013, 04:07 AM #1744
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My framework is going to be as I described above. This is the second week of bulking.
Programming is going to revolve around up to 3 lines of progression per lift with varying volume/fatigue/intensity tradeoffs:
- 4 x 8
- 5 x 5
- 5 x 3
- optionally: higher rep sets across for prehab
- optionally: dynamic work if required. I am still deciding where to put DE - might be useful on cut days.
Deadlift will be: 3x5 and 3x3
Each line of progression will follow the usual linear periodisation: ramp up weight and reset on stall. Overall fatigue will be assessed on a day by day basis and the percieved effort for the day will be chosen according to current goals (do I want to overreach or not)
I can pick any line of progression I choose on any given day. Will tend to favour volume when bulking and intensity when cutting. I advance when I can get all reps with no grinding. If I reset one lift, I may or may not choose to reset the others and/or the whole program (this is the closest I'll come to a deload).
Weight: 85.8kg
Back squat: 5 x 3 x 130kg
Bench press: 4 x 8 x 75kg
Stiff leg deadlift: 125kg: 8 -- stopped after first set due to a trap twinge, hopefully nothing...
Ab wheel standing: 3 x 7 x red
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01-22-2013, 04:21 AM #1745
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nice volume and good poundage, bro.! like those layouts..
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01-22-2013, 07:20 AM #1746
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Thanks man
I'm thinking that dynamic effort work will be a good option when cutting. It still impacts fatigue but not as much - and it will improve neural conditioning (esp. in deadlift and bench).
So my cuts will probably go like this:
- RPT - retesting maxes by repping out at 90%, 81%, 72%
- dynamic effort (probably 10x2) jump squat, deadlift, bench, pendlay, maybe push press or military press
- Repeat previous 5x3 efforts (don't try to progress)
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01-23-2013, 05:46 AM #1748
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Thanks m8, I have tested 1RM at 145kg, could probably get 150 now.
Weight: 85.8 -- haven't really gained any weight during this phase...
Klokov press: 60kg 2, 2, 0, 2 -- very hard, never used this weight before so you could say it's a PR
Military press: 5 x 60kg, 10 x 50kg
Weighted pullup: 5 x 5 x 20kg
Skulls: 35kg: 15, 15, 12
Poundstone curls: 50 reps -- made my whole upper body glow like a light bulb.
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01-24-2013, 04:22 AM #1749
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Weight: 86.2kg
Power clean:
3 x 60kg
2 x 70kg
1 x 80kg
1 x 90kg
3 x 80kg
2 x 80kg
2 x 82.5kg
2 x 85kg -- this is about where the boundary is between a fast snappy clean and clumsy strenuous clean
2 x 80kg
Front squat:
8 x 80kg -- Taken from floor with power clean
8 x 80kg -- Taken from floor with power clean
8 x 80kg -- Taken from floor with power clean
8 x 80kg -- Taken from rack after discovering new holes in the floor...!
Shrug: 2 x 20 x 120kg
This would be a good outside workout since my gym floor can't take even the rubber bumper plates... maybe do it again when the snow melts
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01-24-2013, 04:28 AM #1750
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nice cleans and fronts. It would be great to manage to rack them proper from clean in order do the fronts. That will be good goal for this cycle.
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01-25-2013, 03:43 AM #1751
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Thanks. My rack isn't perfect, if I do more than about 5 reps, I often lose my racking grip and have to switch to crossed arms - then I have to dump the bar or stagger into the rack with it.
Weight: 85.5kg -- huh?
Bench press: 5 x 5 x 87.5kg
Pendlay rows: 4 x 8 x 87.5kg
Ab wheel standing: 3 x 8 x red
Incline DB curl: 2 x 13 x 13kg
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01-25-2013, 01:32 PM #1752
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01-25-2013, 03:28 PM #1753
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01-26-2013, 03:45 AM #1754
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Hi, Welcome to the lab
Yeah, I went off it for a long while becaues I got bloodshot eyes - glad to have it back, all I really needed to do was stay in the higher rep ranges with a little assistance from the bands. Not going to remove the bands until I can do 3 x 15
Weight: 86.1kg
Felt a bit meh so kept volume low, actually turned out to be quite a good day
Deadlift: 3 x 3 x 162.5kg -- had another set in me
Military press: 4 x 8 x 52.5kg -- shoulder feeling better, had more
Skulls: 3 x 10 x 40kg
Rest day tomorrow, then 2 week cut coming up... shouldn't be too boring because I'm going to do RPT - so I should get an idea of my maxes by repping out with 90%
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01-28-2013, 04:07 AM #1755
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Weight: 85.7kg, 33.5'' waist, 7mm suprailiac.
First day of 2 week cut...
The plan for the first 4-5 days is to perform 3 sets of RPT on each of the main lifts (I am counting pendlay row as a main lift rather than pullups at the moment). I'll intersperse this with GPP. The idea is to gain some neural efficiency while I still have the energy for high intensity - and burn a lot of calories and eat some of them back (experiments in nutrient partitioning...)
Back squat:
5 x 135kg -- rep PR
6 x 122.5kg
7 x 110kg
Bench press:
6 x 95kg -- rep PR
7 x 85kg
10 x 75kg
Clean and push press: 20 singles with short rests between
Looks like my volume training has yielded some useful results. +2kg on calculated squat 1RM. Bench calculated 1RM equals my real 1RM. I may have had an extra rep in the tank too...Last edited by SuffolkPunch; 01-28-2013 at 04:24 AM.
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01-28-2013, 04:27 AM #1756
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Awesome PR:s Suffolk..It's impressive to achieve those while cutting too..it's not impossible but hard..
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my goals 2014 : sq 341 - dl 440 - bp 242 - ohp 154
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01-28-2013, 05:45 AM #1757
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01-29-2013, 03:59 AM #1758
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01-29-2013, 04:12 AM #1759
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strong rowing, gonna do them myself at benchday the madcow style. going to copy that circuit, bro!
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"May the sun illuminate thy path!"
my currents : sq 319 - dl 419 - bp - 231 - ohp 143
my goals 2014 : sq 341 - dl 440 - bp 242 - ohp 154
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01-29-2013, 05:08 AM #1760
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01-30-2013, 03:28 AM #1761
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Weight: 85.5kg
Deadlift:
5 x 167.5kg -- Rep PR, +4kg to calculated 1RM
6 x 150kg
7 x 132.5kg
-- I videoed this but the stupid camera did it's usual trick of falling over after the first rep
Military press:
4 x 67.5kg -- no rep PR. Maybe would have got it if traps weren't tired from DL
5 x 60kg
8 x 52.5kg
Some shrugs with bands
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01-31-2013, 05:30 AM #1762
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01-31-2013, 06:05 AM #1763
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02-01-2013, 03:34 AM #1764
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Yeah. I feel fresh today as a result
Here comes the dynamic effort phase...
Weight: 85.1kg
Jump squats: 10 x 2 x 92.5kg
Behind the neck push press: 10 x 3 x 60kg -- only going to do these DE... the negative can hurt your shoulders if you go too heavy
Shrugs:
15 x 100kg
8 x 140kg
5 x 160kg
10 x 140kg
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02-02-2013, 04:59 AM #1765
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Weight 85.1kg
Bench press dynamic: 10 x 3 x 70kg -- about right. Any lighter and I would need chains
Barbell bent row dynamic:
5 x 3 x 80kg -- bit light, whacking my stomach too hard
5 x 3 x 82.5kg -- 85 next time
-- I decided not to set down the bar between reps to bring stretch reflex into play
Squats: 30 x 60 - just to burn some calories
Cuban rotation: 17.5kg: 12, 12 -- a little heavy. Shoulders sore from push press.
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02-02-2013, 02:21 PM #1767
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those BTN presses were really awesome. But what's the difference between BTN and Klokov Presses? Is it the push moment?
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02-04-2013, 03:36 AM #1769
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Weight: 84.7 - getting there. One more week of cutting...
Deadlift dynamic effort: 10 x 3 x 125kg -- easy but good low back pump
That marks the end of dynamic effort. Next up I'm going to be doing 3x5 with the weight that I'm due to use for 5x5 when I switch back to mass gain... so kinda greasing the groove.
Military press: 3 x 5 x 60kg -- easy enough. Only last rep showed signs of slowdown
Overhead carry: 40kg
- 2 walks of 20 meters
- 3 sets of 10 stepups onto a diving board
This is just awesome, it works the entire shoulder area and I imagine it will be great for strength and injury resistance. Plus it's a bit of cardio. My mistake previously was going too heavy. This is better.
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02-04-2013, 03:57 AM #1770
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