Calling out Christians

[Stork]

why do you guys get so pissed off when the topic of your religion (or 'faith' as it's apparently called) comes into discussion?

Insecure brahs?

[danny6488]

why do you guys get so pissed off when the topic of your religion (or 'faith' as it's apparently called) comes into discussion?

Insecure brahs?

not this **** again

[Weirdbeard]

I'd guess they are. If people want to believe there's fairies on the dark side of the moon just let them. Not my problem.

[thatonedude_808]

in b4 lock/thread deletion/huge mob

[Jaxxed_Fibraz_]

I used to belive in god, but now ive kinda realised, however the whole evolution theory is bs aswell imo.

[Gancor]

I'm not Christian, but militant athiests who attack Christians at every oppotunity are infinitely more annoying.

[Jaxxed_Fibraz_]

I'm not Christian, but militant athiests who attack Christians at every oppotunity are infinitely more annoying.

x2.

[Stork]

I'm not Christian, but militant athiests who attack Christians at every oppotunity are infinitely more annoying.

x3, can't stand those ****ers.

Anyone who wildly screams how everybody else is wrong is a cock.

[Gancor]

I like this syllogism

God is perfect
Not existing is imperfect
Therefore God exists

It has holes but it's fun

[piszczel]

They do this because they know how fragile the basis of their beliefs is; hell, an intelligent 7 year old can undermine the very existance and point of god with few simple questions, never mind intelligent adults...

[echoareone]

I'm not Christian, but militant athiests who attack Christians at every oppotunity are infinitely more annoying.

x84334


It's really lame.

I guess I'm technically a catholic...but I can't say I buy into all of the religious dogma that surrounds the core beliefs of the religion.


I get bothered when people insult religion because: it is SOOOO easy to do. It takes no creativity, and in the end, it's like running in the special olympics. Even if you win, you're still a retard.

[Darren in Gym]

They do this because they know how fragile the basis of their beliefs is; hell, an intelligent 7 year old can undermine the very existance and point of god with few simple questions, never mind intelligent adults...

and these questions are...? its called faith, it cant be explained, its not science, nor does it belong to the physical world.

Im interested though... what do u guys think will happen when u die?

[Gancor]

It's easy to say that institutionalised religion is unnecessary but God as a concept is a whole other level.

No one here can say fully that God doesn't exist via a rational thought process, it is just a belief like any other and not knowledge of his lack of existance. Knowledge differs from a belief because it is reached in and of itself, saying God doesn't exist isn't a deductive inference because it is impossible to come to a solid conclusion on a thing such as God of which it is impossible to have any knowledge of in the first place.

[echoareone]

^^ True. Trying to think "rationally" about a god is stupid.

I'm of the opinion that the only thing humans can really perceive about god is that it exist. Nothing else.

[ajdmuscle]

People are very sensitive when it comes to religion. Although I dont think anyone has the right to put ones beliefs down because they dont agree with it. All thats going to do is make someone despise whatever is pushed onto them (for example, many children who are brought up by fundamentalist Christians end up being atheist). All that does is make you and whatever your representing look ignorant. In my opinion keep your belief to yourself unless people are open or ask about it (thats if you feel comfortable telling them).

[Weirdbeard]

and these questions are...? its called faith, it cant be explained, its not science, nor does it belong to the physical world.

Im interested though... what do u guys think will happen when u die?

You cease to exist.

[Axramon]

It's easy to say that institutionalised religion is unnecessary but God as a concept is a whole other level.

No one here can say fully that God doesn't exist via a rational thought process, it is just a belief like any other and not knowledge of his lack of existance. Knowledge differs from a belief because it is reached in and of itself, saying God doesn't exist isn't a deductive inference because it is impossible to come to a solid conclusion on a thing such as God of which it is impossible to have any knowledge of in the first place.

Good point, this is true, but just the fact that Gods existence cannot be disproven is no reason to believe in his existence.

Say for example, that I say there is an alien from mars outside your door right now.

You cannot disprove it without checking.

So according to the same logic as faith in God, you should now firmly believe in the existence of this alien.

Do you?

I don't think so.


x2 though on atheists making complete fools of themselves when arguing with religious people.

[IawI]

^^ True. Trying to think "rationally" about a god is stupid.

I'm of the opinion that the only thing humans can really perceive about god is that it exist. Nothing else.

This is one of the dumbest statements I've ever heard. If I said I prayed to the flying speghetti monster and he answers my prayers and touches me with his tenticles would you believe me? "Well I can't prove nor disprove you so I guess your right." No! Because it's irrational and dumb. If I said there was a spherical cube floating around in space would you believe me?

Just because you can't prove nor disprove something doesn't make it real.

[piszczel]

and these questions are...? its called faith, it cant be explained, its not science, nor does it belong to the physical world.

Im interested though... what do u guys think will happen when u die?

Well, off the top of my head:
1. Why created god?
2. If god exist, why did he create universe?
3. If god is all-powerful, why did he send himself on a suicide mission to die for sins humanity? Couldn't he just "clear the account" of each person?
4. Why should we assume that god, if existed, has any interest in humans whatsoever? Universe is vast, we only take up an unimagineably tiny fraction of the space...
5. What about science?

And so on... I probably could think of more if I actually spent more time on this.

As for afterlife, there is none. You just rott in the ground and that's it.
I really can't see why most people think there's something after this life.

We are the same organic organisms as, say, fish, a deer, a dog... If we can go to heaven, why can't they? Is heaven human-exclusive? If so, how's that fair on other creatures of god?

[IawI]

and these questions are...? its called faith, it cant be explained, its not science, nor does it belong to the physical world.

Im interested though... what do u guys think will happen when u die?

Faith-belief without evidence. So you believe in fairies and the easter bunny too?

Here's my problem with religion. The whole purpose of science is to find out the RIGHT answers. And they base everything they say on EVIDENCE. So if 98% of the scientific community accepts evolution, then why should I go against that?

Oh and when you die, Your brain stops, so you stop. You go into a state of unconcousness (bad spelling). Except you don't wake up.

[echoareone]

This is one of the dumbest statements I've ever heard. If I said I prayed to the flying speghetti monster and he answers my prayers and touches me with his tenticles would you believe me? "Well I can't prove nor disprove you so I guess your right." No! Because it's irrational and dumb. If I said there was a spherical cube floating around in space would you believe me?

Just because you can't prove nor disprove something doesn't make it real.

You must be one of those guys that joins to argue in the R&P section.

And...you're way off topic.

I'm saying that humans couldn't possibly know or understand divinity. That's all. No "proving" or "disproving".

[ShayThor1989]

I think Christians trying to prove God exists is futile because how you can you explain something that is above our capabilities as humans of comprehending, ie infinity or perfection?

I like to consider myself a sort of agnostic theist. There is no way anyone can be 100% sure God exists, that would make you omniscient (all-knowing) which would make you a God of sorts. I live life believing a higher power exists, Blaise Pascal style.

[dunkalicious]

u can't prove/disaprove faith
/thread

[Axramon]

I used to belive in god, but now ive kinda realised, however the whole evolution theory is bs aswell imo.

The evolutionary 'theory' is not a theory. It is proven fact that evolution happened and is still happening. If you think about it, from an unbiased view, it makes sense, it is logical and natural. No matter if God exists or not, that is irrelevant here.

You cannot believe or not believe in evolution. People who say it isn't true are clearly in denial and not looking at the facts.

[IawI]

You must be one of those guys that joins to argue in the R&P section.

And...you're way off topic.

I'm saying that humans couldn't possibly know or understand divinity. That's all. No "proving" or "disproving".

Oh **** my bad. Ok yeah I agree with that. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

[Gancor]

I used to be a spaghetti monster quoting Dawkins homo also, but then I actually started to read books that aren't written by dude who has no philosophical background at all and merely writes to please angst filled anti-religion masses. He should stick to evolutionary biology and stay away from writing disgusting prose.

All in all, the universe and God is our cage, we are limited in our understanding of it's meaning because we ourselves are subjects of it, infact we are the universe itself. It's like a bubble in which we are encapsulated and will never have any concept of why it is here because we are limited by it ourselves.

God might exist, God might not. No one can conclude either way with solid argument. That's the point of faith, it is a leap, a risk. I respect people who actually meditate and thing about their own faith rather than believing out of habit and tradition.

[YoUnG-gUn91]

I'm not Christian, but militant athiests who attack Christians at every oppotunity are infinitely more annoying.

This.

As for afterlife, there is none. You just rott in the ground and that's it.
I really can't see why most people think there's something after this life.

People need to believe there's something because the thought of nothing is a fuking terrifying one really.

[IawI]

u can't prove/disaprove faith
/thread

Because "faith" is based on nothing to prove or disprove it with.

[piszczel]

I used to be a spaghetti monster quoting Dawkins homo also, but then I actually started to read books that aren't written by dude who has no philosophical background at all and merely writes to please angst filled anti-religion masses. He should stick to evolutionary biology and stay away from writing disgusting prose.

As for books; I'm actually reading "The God Delusion" by Dawkins right now. It's interesting at times. I don't agree that he should stay away from it, IMO he has made a lot of good points in his discussions, books etc.

More importantly though, I've started reading the bible, which is more than most of "good" self-proclaimed christians did. After all, it's the soure of christian faith. I've skipped through most of the old testament, as it's just fairy tales, and I'm reading new testament now. It's ridicolous at places, and the more I understand christianity, the more ridicolous of a concept it is.

[Axramon]

People can have faith if they want, I don't care. It's probably like a placebo effect. If they believe that there is something divine or a god, it helps them. No matter if that god actually exists or not.