Negatives on freeweight rows by yourself: solutions?

[JessyUV]

I've used rowing machines for negatives: row with both sides, then let go of one side. Works fine, but I'd prefer to use freeweights like I do for the concentric lifts. Anybody have this one figured out? Spotters on each side would work. What about with one spotter (nowhere good to help from as far as I've been able to figure), or by yourself?

[Xuaxace]

Eh... I don't see the point for this whatsoever.

If you want to highlight the negative, just use a lighter weight and go through a slow and controll negative. Doing a negative on a row with more than you can handle is a one way ticket to snap city and an extreme over complication.


you could always do kroc db rows with emphasis on the negative.

[adamdavidson47]

Sounds like a good way to hurt yourself, or worse, an innocent bystander who's working out near you.

[JessyUV]

I'm only interested in hearing from people who use negatives that are too heavy to lift concentrically. These anti-eccetric posts are not useful.

[adamdavidson47]

I'm only interested in hearing from people who use negatives that are too heavy to lift concentrically.

And we are only interested in people with an IQ higher than their shoe size.

/thread.

[Xuaxace]

I'm only interested in hearing from people who use negatives that are too heavy to lift concentrically. These anti-eccetric posts are not useful.

you will find NO ONE that does it on bent over rows. So might as well talk to a wall.

I like negatives, but not on stupid stuff. Have you ever seen a squat negative... derp.

[ironwill2008]

I'm only interested in hearing from people who use negatives that are too heavy to lift concentrically.

The majority of those people are no longer training. Or posting here.

[JessyUV]

I can't post links yet, but search YouTube for negative squats. 2,444 views, 100% likes.

Again, not interested in hearing useless posts.

@ironwill I don't see why Scooby, for example, would need to post here. How many people look up to you, versus a useful, positive person like him? He's never had an injury in the gym and he advocates negatives.

[adamdavidson47]

I can't post links yet, but search YouTube for negative squats. 2,444 views, 100% likes.

Again, not interested in hearing useless posts.

You asked about Rows, not Squats.

[Xuaxace]

I can't post links yet, but search YouTube for negative squats. 2,444 views, 100% likes.

Again, not interested in hearing useless posts.

@ironwill I don't see why Scooby, for example, would need to post here. How many people look up to you, versus a useful, positive person like him? He's never had an injury in the gym and he advocates negatives.

on BENT OVER ROWS?


I would eat my shoe if he did.


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Ok here is a video of a "long squat negative"

In this case, he is emphasising the negative, but still using a weight he can handle for the positive (what I said in the first post), no one does a weight they can not do for a postive, which is what you are suggesting in doing.

[ironwill2008]

I can't post links yet, but search YouTube for negative squats. 2,444 views, 100% likes.

Wow, ^^^^ those would be even a worse choice than Rows.

Again, not interested in hearing useless posts.

You might want to reread my OP; it should have told you everything you need to know about trying to handle more weight than you're capable of dealing with on your own, especially for an exercise where the PC is already compromised.


Heavy negatives are an injury looking for a victim.

@ironwill I don't see why Scooby, for example, would need to post here. How many people look up to you, versus a useful, positive person like him? He's never had an injury in the gym and he advocates negatives.

LOL @ 'scooby. He actually used to post on this site. Until he got permabanned for threatening to kill another poster here and cause bodily injury to that other poster's gf. True story.



Scooby is a goof; he posted in the 'nutrition' forum for a while, but his advices were so far out in left field that even the moderators were handing him his ass.



If you think that guy is the be-all and end-all of weight training information, why are you here? To troll me?





Good luck with your avoidance-of-a-crippling-injury goals in 2012.

[mmafighter1294]

I like negatives, but not on stupid stuff. Have you ever seen a squat negative... derp.

I did a negative on squats the other day. Not on purpose though feelsbadman

OP, why would you even want to do such a thing?

[Pakina]

I've used rowing machines for negatives: row with both sides, then let go of one side. Works fine, but I'd prefer to use freeweights like I do for the concentric lifts.

Are you talking about wanting to do eccentric-only for the standing bent-over row or something like that?

It just doesn't seem like a movement well-suited for that kinda stuff. Doing it with machines seems to make more sense. The use of freeweights over machines seems less important with rowing than it does with pressing.

The only stabilizers you're really missing out on by doing a seated cable row are the hips and lower back, which aren't supposed to be the main targets anyway.

[IDrinkBloodLOL]

Edit: Came in here and posted actual advice, then saw OP tried to argue with IronWill.

OP, IronWill was alive for the days when bodybuilding was at its simplest and most effective. You'd learn a lot more by just browsing his posts than by asking for your own advice.

I don't mean that harshly, I just mean that he can be a real wealth of information.

[GeneralSerpant]

The only people that need to do negatives, are people that know the exercise.

[k9pit]

I can't post links yet, but search YouTube for negative squats. 2,444 views, 100% likes.

Again, not interested in hearing useless posts.

@ironwill I don't see why Scooby, for example, would need to post here. How many people look up to you, versus a useful, positive person like him? He's never had an injury in the gym and he advocates negatives.

The reason people respect Ironwill and his advice is because he consistently gives out solid no-bulls*** advice.
Scooby has sometimes has points, but other times "sounds like" he talks out his ass. However if what he says works for him, it is what it is....

As far as the movement you seek, I don't see the point. But if you have access to a power rack, using my imagination, you could technically get a little creative with with J-hooks and safety placements to make that happen. Think J hooks about 4-5 holes higher than the safeties and putting one end of the bar on the J-hook and rowing with 1 arm. The safety can be there if it's too heavy. With you bent over like that on a stressful row negative I don't see the upside as far as bicep tendons and lower back, but hey it's an idea you can go to town with.
The rack itself (J-hook and safeties setup) would look just about the way you'd set up to do rack pulls inside the rack.

[JessyUV]

Are you talking about wanting to do eccentric-only for the standing bent-over row or something like that?

I do two types of rows, and would love to be able to do heavy negatives on both:
1. back parallel with ground, arms at 45 degrees to torso at end of concentric movement. Very close to a standard bent-over row.
2. back 45 degrees to ground, elbows and shoulders all in a line at end of concentric movement. Compound rear/mid delt exercise.
(I switch between a bar and dumbbells for each type every few months.)

It just doesn't seem like a movement well-suited for that kinda stuff. Doing it with machines seems to make more sense. The use of freeweights over machines seems less important with rowing than it does with pressing.

The only stabilizers you're really missing out on by doing a seated cable row are the hips and lower back, which aren't supposed to be the main targets anyway.

I don't see how I could really do it with cables, either, but I haven't tried. I didn't have any luck when I tried negatives from the rack the other day, but I didn't think I would. The machines I have available don't replicate the angles I mentioned exactly. As could be expected, I can deadlift a lot more than I can row, so you're not wrong. I'd just love to get myself used to heavier weights in the actual movements I'll be using when I can lift the weights concentrically.

OP, IronWill was alive for the days when bodybuilding was at its simplest and most effective.

To be clear, I'm not actually interested in bodybuilding. I'm not sure if it's stupid to be here. These forums are just very popular, and many people around here are interested in what I focus on in the gym, which is primarily power and short-term endurance. I figured I might get some good advice. I actually have been influenced by what you guys have said here, out of necessity. I can't figure out negatives, so I decided to incorporate a single extra-heavy rep at the end of my heavy days. (Heavy day currently = shooting for 5 reps of three different weights on a triple-drop set. Light day is the same thing, but 10 reps.) I tried doing the rep at the end of light day, but I wasn't finding it effective. 30 reps vs. 15 takes way more out of me, even with the weight being lighter. Even so, after the 15, and a rest period, I'm still not going to hit my actual 1RM, but I've been able to do heavier than what I could lift for 5, on the first set, so it's something.

[chazzy1864]

To be clear, I'm not actually interested in bodybuilding. I'm not sure if it's stupid to be here. These forums are just very popular, and many people around here are interested in what I focus on in the gym, which is primarily power and short-term endurance. I figured I might get some good advice. I actually have been influenced by what you guys have said here, out of necessity. I can't figure out negatives, so I decided to incorporate a single extra-heavy rep at the end of my heavy days. (Heavy day currently = shooting for 5 reps of three different weights on a triple-drop set. Light day is the same thing, but 10 reps.) I tried doing the rep at the end of light day, but I wasn't finding it effective. 30 reps vs. 15 takes way more out of me, even with the weight being lighter. Even so, after the 15, and a rest period, I'm still not going to hit my actual 1RM, but I've been able to do heavier than what I could lift for 5, on the first set, so it's something.

You're not interested in bodybuilding, yet you really want to do negatives?

What point, outside of possibly hypertrophy effects, are there for doing negatives?


Trolls gon' troll.

[eltoc]

you will find NO ONE that does it on bent over rows. So might as well talk to a wall.

I like negatives, but not on stupid stuff. Have you ever seen a squat negative... derp.

This is true. Negatives can be a great tool.

I've used rowing machines for negatives: row with both sides, then let go of one side. Works fine

Good idea.

However, when used on freeweight rows, it would seem to put extra stress on the lower back. Which would be a bad idea. Also you have to "catch" the barbell when the spotters let go of it. That is probably a bad idea even if the weight is something you can handle on your own.

[vollric]

just use a weight you can manage and create resistance, you don't know how to lift a weight with resistance making it heavier then it actually is? super slow tempo, and a controlled movement.