is heavy weight necessary for growth on side lateral raises?

[b.d.]

i was wondering if you need a lot of weight for them.i'm currently using 25lb db's,doing 4 sets of 10 with great form.i'm gonna do the 30's next time.although i tried a30 lb db fresh last time and it seemed a lot heavier i was only able to get 6 good ones out,almost 7.

[Wang Chung]

i was wondering if you need a lot of weight for them.i'm currently using 25lb db's,doing 4 sets of 10 with great form.i'm gonna do the 30's next time.although i tried a30 lb db fresh last time and it seemed a lot heavier i was only able to get 6 good ones out,almost 7.

I'm not the answer-man around here, but I can sympathize. There needs to be 2.5 pound magnets to attach to dumbbells for isolation exercises, such as lateral raises.

[getgot211]

I'm not the answer-man around here, but I can sympathize. There needs to be 2.5 pound magnets to attach to dumbbells for isolation exercises, such as lateral raises.

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[Wang Chung]

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Oh man! Thanks so much. I started a thread about this a week or two ago, asking if anyone knew where to get them, and no one replied, so I gave up hope. My meager rep points to you.

[Chi3f]

As long as your form is good go as heavy as you can. If your form goes off, lower the weight again.

[PoW]

i was wondering if you need a lot of weight for them.i'm currently using 25lb db's,doing 4 sets of 10 with great form.i'm gonna do the 30's next time.although i tried a30 lb db fresh last time and it seemed a lot heavier i was only able to get 6 good ones out,almost 7.

GOD NO! LIGHT WEIGHT ON SIDE LATERALS! Heavy weight = destroyed rotor cuff!

[Vadim Beliaev]

More important to watch the form than trying to go heavy... Go heavy on military presses instead.

[$AJ]

no

[bubba g]

Oh man! Thanks so much. I started a thread about this a week or two ago, asking if anyone knew where to get them, and no one replied, so I gave up hope. My meager rep points to you.

Those things are so over priced it is not even funny... I think it is like $25 for a 1/4th lb weight...

[Brutarian]

More important to watch the form than trying to go heavy... Go heavy on military presses instead.

Reps.

[Bugsy]

i was wondering if you need a lot of weight for them.i'm currently using 25lb db's,doing 4 sets of 10 with great form.i'm gonna do the 30's next time.although i tried a30 lb db fresh last time and it seemed a lot heavier i was only able to get 6 good ones out,almost 7.

I take it from some of your other posts/replies that you haven't been lifting all that long. So what I don't understand is how in the hell are you doing side lat raises with 25lbs 4x10 using strict form...and now ready to move on to 30lbs? If so, thats impressive...to me anyways.

Bugsy

[failuretogain]

More important to watch the form than trying to go heavy... Go heavy on military presses instead.

IM with that man. Go heavy and more sets on militarys. Then finish shoulders off with higher reps on the laterals to kill em. I get better results with 12-15 reps on laterals. Low reps are pointless for this exercise and you just end up using momentum.

[b.d.]

I take it from some of your other posts/replies that you haven't been lifting all that long. So what I don't understand is how in the hell are you doing side lat raises with 25lbs 4x10 using strict form...and now ready to move on to 30lbs? If so, that's impressive...to me anyways.

Bugsy

actually I've been lifting "seriously"for about two years.i'm just trying to get the most information i possibly can.i'll always have questions,but i do have a lot of good tips as well.i just didn't think 25lbs was all that much really.anyways that's what this board is all about right?helping out with tips and looking for new ways to improve our strength &appearance?

[bubba g]

actually I've been lifting "seriously"for about two years.i'm just trying to get the most information i possibly can.i'll always have questions,but i do have a lot of good tips as well.i just didn't think 25lbs was all that much really.anyways that's what this board is all about right?helping out with tips and looking for new ways to improve our strength &appearance?

I know people who have huge delts, and have never gone heavier than 20lbs on laterals...

Good form on laterals is keeping your arms pretty close to being straight, raising the weights till your arms are straight out to the sides so you look like a T.. holding the weight there for one full second, then slowly, and under control lowering the weight. 12 - 15 reps seem to work best for most people.
Doing delts twice a week is also a good way to build them up. I wouldn't do the millitary presses on both days, but I would definatly do the laterals twice a week.....

[Bugsy]

actually I've been lifting "seriously"for about two years.i'm just trying to get the most information i possibly can.i'll always have questions,but i do have a lot of good tips as well.i just didn't think 25lbs was all that much really.anyways that's what this board is all about right?helping out with tips and looking for new ways to improve our strength &appearance?

b.d., I hear ya. I was just like "damn"...because to me 25-30lbs is a lot for side lateral raises using strict form. I've been working out seriously for about 2 years myself....but I don't use weights that heavy as I can't keep strict form ie. arms almost straight and using a motion simliar to pouring a jug of water.

Bugsy

[DiamondDelts]

i was wondering if you need a lot of weight for them.i'm currently using 25lb db's,doing 4 sets of 10 with great form.i'm gonna do the 30's next time.although i tried a30 lb db fresh last time and it seemed a lot heavier i was only able to get 6 good ones out,almost 7.

Going heavy is NOT the point of doing lateral raises. They are to isolate the medial delt. If you concentrate too much on weight progression and start using other muscles to help out, you have missed the point of doing them completely.

[NYNY2916]

does this mean that after a certain point you stop progressing on side laterals and just stick with 25lb dbs every workout????

[DiamondDelts]

does this mean that after a certain point you stop progressing on side laterals and just stick with 25lb dbs every workout????

No. Everyone is different. My point is don't expect to increase the weight on side laterals EVERYTIME you step into the gym because that is not what they are geared for.

[Dominik]

Going heavy is NOT the point of doing lateral raises. They are to isolate the medial delt. If you concentrate too much on weight progression and start using other muscles to help out, you have missed the point of doing them completely.

Exactly. That's another reason why I like cables for laterals--you don't even think about how much weight you're raising. Something else I've noticed aside from swinging the weights up and cheating, is people almost shrugging at the same time because they're using too much weight and relying on the traps to help out.

Keeping it strict with the proper amount of resistance is the only way the exercise can be useful.

[DiamondDelts]

Exactly. That's another reason why I like cables for laterals--you don't even think about how much weight you're raising. Something else I've noticed aside from swinging the weights up and cheating, is people almost shrugging at the same time because they're using too much weight and relying on the traps to help out.

Keeping it strict with the proper amount of resistance is the only way the exercise can be useful.

Booyah.

[trem0lo]

No, but you will get stronger over time if you keep them strict. For me, progression of weight with these is pretty slow compared to my other lifts. Then again, I have long ass arms, so my leverage is horrible. I think I started with 15-20 lbs two years ago and now I'm up to 25-30. My military press has more than doubled, however. Go figure.

[BernieD]

GOD NO! LIGHT WEIGHT ON SIDE LATERALS! Heavy weight = destroyed rotor cuff!

it's rotator cuff but yea...

Take that 25lb DB, raise it up 1-2 seconds, hold it there for 1 second, then do a 3-4 second negative, but don't go all the way down, stop at a 30 degree angle, pause for a second, then do the next rep. If you can do that with 25lb for multiple reps you're fine, but if you can't, lower the weight. Strict form over poundage.

[Lats McGee]

Lee Haney only repped with the 30s for laterals. If you're worried about hypertrophy try and increase your time under tension instead of always worrying about adding weight.

[lonewolfshome]

nope ......stay light

[icepack]

Booyah ka sha, aight

keep it light and do it right. form over weight anyday

[chango888]

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[oldballs]

shizz my dumbells are rubberized

In on old thread!

Duct tape bro.

[LadyLore420]

Going heavy is NOT the point of doing lateral raises. They are to isolate the medial delt. If you concentrate too much on weight progression and start using other muscles to help out, you have missed the point of doing them completely.

^^^

This bro gets it.

There's most likely a lateral delt machine in your gym you might risk going heavier on, but don't destroy your RC.

[ironwill2008]

^^^

This bro gets it.

He 'got' a lot of stuff about exercise detail. This was a better forum when he posted in it.